Regional Heroin Discussion v12 aka. Get yer junk out - Still no pricing please.

[Crankinit]

Opiates have a fairly strong cross tolerance, methadone will definitely increase your tolerance to heroin.

 

[brimz]

NO it s all about the receptors , i been on methadone 15 years and it has never increased my Heroin tolerance.
It has blocked my receptors so that i can't feel the gear , this is what happens , the cross tolerance comes in2 it when say you are on Methadone and are taking a weaker opiate , but agin its the receptors look it up , i'm noy lying.

 

[trip2themoon]

NO it s all about the receptors , i been on methadone 15 years and it has never increased my Heroin tolerance.
It has blocked my receptors so that i can't feel the gear , this is what happens , the cross tolerance comes in2 it when say you are on Methadone and are taking a weaker opiate , but agin its the receptors look it up , i'm noy lying.

I'm not saying you're lying, I just don't think that anyone can take a strong opioid like methadone and not have it affect one's opaite/opioid tolerance.

 

[kkattastic]

I watched a tv show about the troops in Afghanistan
it was Easter time and they said that the poppy harvest had just finished
Not that it seems to make any difference at all to what's happening here

 

[cazamac]

I'm not saying you're lying, I just don't think that anyone can take a strong opioid like methadone and not have it affect one's opaite/opioid tolerance.

when a use a try n not take my meth cause it stops the charge a want 2 get when a use,cause the green blocks my opioid receptors so its pointless so in a way it does increase my tolerence when am on the green but l av a very high tolerence n thats with anying 2 do with getting high x

 

[cazamac]

kat is it dire at your end x

 

[ructions]

@Ructions: I don't care what anyone says, taking meth' does affect your tolerance. If you're on 60ml a day you could smoke a TB of Afgan's finest and not get that powerful, head like an anvil gouch that we all crave. To get a strong gouch I believe you'd have to chuck all opiates for at least a month to ditch the tolerance.

I normally don't take my methadone for 24 hours before i use, i have been on methadone for 5 years & it has always worked for me in the past, its only the last 11 months that i have had a problem with it.

Most heroin users are on methadone & still use heroin, if they couldn't get a buzz off the heroin coz of their methadone then they wouldn't waste money on heroin. Didn't you start your methadone script last week Trip2theMoon? You had your does supervised for a week, can you get a buzz of the gear?

There is a big difference between good gear & bad gear, what i got the other day in my opinion was just 'ok' gear. The people that i mentioned in my earlier post, the friends that said i was been to fussy, well they have been scoring through out the entire drought, you wanna see some of the crap they were using, so thats why they are so happy with this new stuff! One of the lads walked out of treatment last January, right smack in the middle of the drought at its worst. He had been in treatment for 4months! So he was totally clean! He was on a mission to score when he got out, no matter what, he spent a fortune on bash, but he wouldn't stop scoring, it was like he was obsessed! Now he thinks this new gear we got is great & it is good compared to what we had been getting! But its still not as good as what i was getting before the drought.

Methadone can block deffo block your receptors, but not taken it for 24 hours before using has always worked fine for me. Most people find something that works for them, otherwise why would so many people who are on methadone still use heroin as well? The heroin would probably be stronger again without any methadone at all. But in my case its just that the heroin i scored is just not good enough, its still a very low grade.

I might possibly have another contact, fingers crossed! Hopefully i can try it out on Monday when i'm off work!! I have heard good reports about this one! YAY!!!

 

[hooks]

Unfortunately good reports mean exactly fuck all! I've been told by countless folks that this or that is good and it simply isn't. If ur lucky then it's average at best. Only Tuesday this week I got told by an old dealer I know that he had rocket fuel. So I went round and he was gouching out so I bought a bag and guess what - crap/average. He musta had a shitload of it to be fucked like that. Or maybe my tolerance has rocketed despite not using anything decent for months on end? It's so weird but the mind is an incredibly powerful thing and I reckon a lot of it is psychosomatic. The gear in question barely collected on the tooter (always a good indicator IMO) and ran rather red. It sucked really.

I know what good is and i used to get it but i aint had it for about a year now. Spending 20 or 30 tops and not being able to finish it is good. Not spending 50 quid and barely getting a gouch of it.

 

[4x4ledbury]

Unfortunately good reports mean exactly fuck all! I've been told by countless folks that this or that is good and it simply isn't. If ur lucky then it's average at best. Only Tuesday this week I got told by an old dealer I know that he had rocket fuel. So I went round and he was gouching out so I bought a bag and guess what - crap/average. He musta had a shitload of it to be fucked like that. Or maybe my tolerance has rocketed despite not using anything decent for months on end? It's so weird but the mind is an incredibly powerful thing and I reckon a lot of it is psychosomatic. The gear in question barely collected on the tooter (always a good indicator IMO) and ran rather red. It sucked really.

I know what good is and i used to get it but i aint had it for about a year now. Spending 20 or 30 tops and not being able to finish it is good. Not spending 50 quid and barely getting a gouch of it.

u have not had anything good 4 a year which is weird cause the only good gear comes from up north what i can get my hands on
i have had the odd good bit that is local but that was back in december . this stuff im getting today is old school nearly and real fishy but is another 50% on top a point on what the police think a point costs if you know what i mean but it is the best about 4 50 miles .

 

[hooks]

u have not had anything good 4 a year which is weird cause the only good gear comes from up north what i can get my hands on
i have had the odd good bit that is local but that was back in december . this stuff im getting today is old school nearly and real fishy but is another 50% on top a point on what the police think a point costs if you know what i mean but it is the best about 4 50 miles .

Hey ledbury, glad ur getting decent shit. I aint too far north of u tho am i really?! Is the stuff ur getting local to u or r u having to travel for it? I don't mind paying the inflated prices if i know its gonna be good. How much u having to spend to get a good nod from it?

 

[4x4ledbury]

the stuff kinda local but the dealer gets it in from brum from asains who use them self and his paying douuble on the oz, i have to go through some one else so i have to buy him 1 too
i have to spend 35quid at least for a gouge so we spend 70 and get a gouge each that includes the bag i buy the kid

 

[ructions]

I had been having problems with my methadone dose lately. Its as if i have built up a tolerance against my methadone! It feels like the way we all build up a tolerance to heroin, at first i'd smoke a few lines & i would be wasted, but as the weeks & months & years went by i needed more & more heroin to get the same effect! Now after all these years it feels like the same thing is happening with my methadone dose! Were 60mls used to hold me fine before, i find now that its not holding me for the full day. This worries me as i hardly use gear anymore coz of the drought! I thought that once i got stable that i would be able to start dropping my dose, but the way i feel now its like i should be upping my dose.

I have been using gear a lot over the last few weeks so i know that is why i'd be feeling up & down at the moment, but this was happening before i went back using, i had been fairly stable for months, i was only using low grade gear about once a month, so i would consider that as pretty stable! I know that my head is not in the right place to start dropping my methadone dose yet, but the thoughts of having to take more methadone each day makes me feel like i'm going backwards!

A friend has given me some good advice, one thing he has said is that i should not take my dose a night time (which i always do, coz i used to have to pick up daily in the chemist after work) coz when i sleep my body works at getting rid of the methadone out of my body. So i've started taking it in the morning! He gave me all sorts of other good advice so hopefully i can find away around having to higher my daily dose!

He also sent me this link which i found really interesting, so i'm posting it on here in-case anyone else finds it helpful! It about how our methadone dose interacts with other things that we put into our body......

It also says that grapefruit juice can increase the effects of Methadone! I know some people have tried it & they said they didn't get a buzz, but i might try it to see if it helps me to get more out'a my methadone, maybe it will help to hold me longer? Its worth a try, anything rather the higher my daily dose!!!


http://www.medicalassistedtreatment.org/113611/index.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val

 

[King Hop Head]

I had been having problems with my methadone dose lately. Its as if i have built up a tolerance against my methadone! It feels like the way we all build up a tolerance to heroin, at first i'd smoke a few lines & i would be wasted, but as the weeks & months & years went by i needed more & more heroin to get the same effect! Now after all these years it feels like the same thing is happening with my methadone dose! Were 60mls used to hold me fine before, i find now that its not holding me for the full day. This worries me as i hardly use gear anymore coz of the drought! I thought that once i got stable that i would be able to start dropping my dose, but the way i feel now its like i should be upping my dose.

I have been using gear a lot over the last few weeks so i know that is why i'd be feeling up & down at the moment, but this was happening before i went back using, i had been fairly stable for months, i was only using low grade gear about once a month, so i would consider that as pretty stable! I know that my head is not in the right place to start dropping my methadone dose yet, but the thoughts of having to take more methadone each day makes me feel like i'm going backwards!

A friend has given me some good advice, one thing he has said is that i should not take my dose a night time (which i always do, coz i used to have to pick up daily in the chemist after work) coz when i sleep my body works at getting rid of the methadone out of my body. So i've started taking it in the morning! He gave me all sorts of other good advice so hopefully i can find away around having to higher my daily dose!

He also sent me this link which i found really interesting, so i'm posting it on here in-case anyone else finds it helpful! It about how our methadone dose interacts with other things that we put into our body......

It also says that grapefruit juice can increase the effects of Methadone! I know some people have tried it & they said they didn't get a buzz, but i might try it to see if it helps me to get more out'a my methadone, maybe it will help to hold me longer? Its worth a try, anything rather the higher my daily dose!!!


http://www.medicalassistedtreatment.org/113611/index.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val

Grapefruit potentiates all opiates apart from the codeine based ones. Basically the enzimes (bad spelling) in the liver that break down the opiates are the same ones that break down some of the grapefruit nutrients, so the opiates are broken down slower so they last longer and are more potent.

Those OTC travel sickness remedies also have a sedating ingrediaent that really enhances nodding.

My favouraite though at the moment is Etizolam (benzo type drug) that hasn'y yet been banned. You can order it off research chemical and online pharmacy sites. It sedates and is also euphoric. Had me nodding for hours yesterday with my 'weekend dose' of poppy tea! Be careful not to over do it though.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Gotta agree. Back in the Rolleston days, the majority of heroin addicts were nice, middle-class folk; it was only when the workers got in on the act that the authorities got nervous and changed the rules. Now, the drug attracts underclass rubbish, PHC's 'scumbags'. I blame fashion; they wanna be 'chic' and Special Brew ain't got it. Imagine Boots demanding strung-out doctors or lawyers sign their wretched 'good behaviour' forms; talk about judging a whole group on the basis of their worst members

Hmmm, Charlie, hmmm. This smacks (fully intended) of inverse snobbery. Maybe I'm reading you wrong.

it was only when the workers got in on the act that the authorities got nervous and changed the rules.

This bit is certainly true. While it was a hundred James' and Charlies' pinning their way around the West End it was certainly more folk devils than moral panic. But then you seem to fall in to the same morality trap yourself, describing your fellow users as

underclass rubbish, PTCH's 'scumbags'.

It ain't the junk that makes them creep is it Mr Trocchi?

I blame fashion; they wanna be 'chic' and Special Brew ain't got it.

Ane here, in search of a good line perhaps, you've lost the plot. Outside of painfully thin models trying to get thinner I don't know any heroin users who can accurately be descibed as having done it 'for chic'. I don't imagine its a word PTCH's 'scumbags' have ever been bothered about. Heroin was mass-marketed to the working class in the 1980s in lieu of the employment Thatcher couldn't offer. And yeah, the same could be said for cheap Special Brew.

But heroin was the better hit. Nothing to do with chic. This is the 'underclass' agreeing with the same choices you make.

talk about judging a whole group on the basis of their worst members

Indeed. Straight back at yer. Etc.

 

[charlie clean]

Ah, I do love a bit of criticism from the site's anarcho-communists. For some reason, nobody believes I'm a conservative; I understand Ray Davies has the same complaint.

Of course I'm a snob, both inverted and traditional. I'd like to exile the reactionary aristocracy to Tierra del Fuego when I'm mellow and blow them all to hell when I'm not. But that doesn't make me a lover of the illiterate or the loutish and, if you think I'd let a stereotypical street trash junkie move in and marry my daughter, well, you must think I'm crazy or something. My love is for my constituency of the decent, the dispossessed and the downtrodden. Just like Jesus. At least while the script lasts.

Not sure what the 'make them creep, Mr Trocchi' means. I recall the late Alex wasn't too happy when he caught a lad creeping his Antiquarius stall to thieve a valuable book and pulling the 'habit' excuse. "If you dinnae feck off and nae come back ah'll cure yae meself, son" No drippy liberal, he.

Sure, the kind of folk PTC calls 'scumbags' aren't consciously doing smack in search of 'chic' but you can argue they ain't conscious of much. This is the age of conditioning and, if you really know why you do what you do, you're a rare human. Every time you pick up a paper or turn on the tv, you're sublimated into doing, usually buying, something or the other.

Of course, I'm sure you know all that and only act controversial to make your audience think and appreciate their revolutionary potential. You see, you're just like me, be happy. And, yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the appearance overnight in the Thatcher days of heroin on UK working class streets was the work of elements within the 'security forces' to divert would-be dissidents not seduced by cheap, bad beer in cans. But that was 30+ years back; in our modern times, the game has moved to a whole new level. The 'enemy' is sharper than we'll ever be, which maybe explains why we're both posting on an obscure drug site and not camped out in the City or taking up arms against the greedy capitalists who've brought us all to this sorry state. After the revolution, maybe, I'll consider kicking; until then, pass the syringe, bring me tea in a China cup and let me watch film of an old Max Miller show. A good laugh, these days, is hard to find.

Ah, them pop songs - the last weapon of an alternative aristocracy out to change your way of thinking. Looks like they 'lost' and today's junkies prefer Justin Bierber. Let's hope they come again real soon. See you then at the barricades, perhaps. But, first, a whole lotta peops gotta get their minds right and the pharmacy can help. Drugs good, drug life bad - figure why and you're halfway there.

 

[griffin79]

I might possibly have another contact, fingers crossed! Hopefully i can try it out on Monday when i'm off work!! I have heard good reports about this one! YAY!!! [/QUOTE]

well ruct got a bit if that the other day it is better than what we were getting but it is still not worth the money as still no nod off it i can't see it going back to the way it was pity

 

[Acidtek]

The situation sounds dire, paying that much for a point, thirty pounds to get a gouch if your lucky! I just hope it gets better for you soon folks!

 

[brimz]

I really despair at m,y social standing , after reading CC post i can't but not fit in to the dole scrounging crack using underclass, that is me Charlie. Yep 14 years on the scrap heap barely educated oh yeah used to luv me a Special Brew as well .

 

[4x4ledbury]

61 % increase in afghan should help ease it but all the old players are in prison or banged it on the head . Not to be racist but i think the pakistanis have fucked the game in my local all the stanis have utter shite and the blacks have nothing .
but all the old school dealers are in prison the gear must be sitting in dock in the netherlands or summat cause it is not round my area unless you are a millionaire and life is to boring without gear to much to worry about

 

[charlie clean]

Naw, yer only posing, Brimz. Unless you go barechested in the Ashton Gate stands to show off your tattoos

Not much coke in the crack, not much heroin in the brown. Modern times, all is rip off. But both still sell like the proverbial hot cakes. Explain that one and its cui bonos from a Zen Trotskyist perspective, SHM.