You take them much?
Kenny, half of the draw for me is the whole extraction, the same way cutting up lines was when I did speed and how I enjoy rolling joints. Mind I have OCD so maybe I'm just weird. I'd like to have a go at Kratom, been considering it, but heard it can be bad liver-wise?
Never heard of kratom being bad for the liver, read that in countries were it's traditionally consumed, long-term users tend to have darkened chins and lose weight, however as it's mostly farm labourers using it, this could be caused by a variety of other reasons.
I've been taking it pretty much daily from around 2008, with a few interruptions due to working in places where I couldn't get deliveries, but still I've done it daily for years with no ill effects, with the exception of WDs, obviously. I'm sure that even if it were bad for the liver it would still be less than consuming whatever is left after CWEs on a regular basis.
Also kratom seems to have gained huge popularity in the US like ten years ago, if it was really bad for the liver there would have been reports already.
I find it beneficial, it seems the plant itself is rich in anti-oxidants and the fact you're ingesting a lot of fiber helps out a lot with the usual opiate constipation, I find it a much superior alternative to codeine, it has also marked anti-depressive properties.
For me even poppy seed tea would be a better option to CWE codeine, unless you live in a place where it's OTC, I really see no point.
To each its own though