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Stimulants Tweaked out of my mind dying

Empathy indicates low-no tolerance and won't last long. Untill tolerance builds and addiction sets in meth is innocent and fun. There's no self control with this shit, those occasional bumps will become more frequent, then 1 of you will buy a pipe because why would you bother insufflating. Then if you're like me you'll move onto rectal dosing and finally IV.

Dude how do you put it in your ass...for me, even oral doses stimulate me so much I go take a huge shit an hour after I take the pill. I imagine if I put it in my ass, it would explode spontaneously and I would lose the product.
 
Take adderall or ritalin and jack off, after you bust, smoke some weed. Fuck meth
 
Meth is an absolutely disgusting drug. Do not let it trick you, like it did to me. The effects of the drug is disgusting (sweat, large pupils, talking nonsense, doing weird shit non-stop, jacking off non-stop), the look of the user while high is disgusting, the smell they emit is disgusting and the symptoms of using too much is downright horrific. Not to mention the negatives it has on the body, it also causes crazy psychosis. Psychosis alone should be enough to warn you to stay away from this disgusting man made drug.
 
Meth is highly toxic especially with the 'shake and bake' method.
The before and after pictures I've seen online and also on telly.
I'm beginning to think all drugs aren't worth the effort.
If you buy them clean, it won't really make a difference to your life.
The fleeting feeling just isn't worth it.
Don't ruin your life and be a slave to drugs of any kind.
Try to work out the problems in a more rational manner, friends, family.
If you are a slave to a substance, taper down.
I really feel for people who don't have the support network. I didn't 'don't' have this, but I have a place to stay at least.
Peace
 
Then sex also steals your soul lol. Remember all the hanging out you used to do as a child, the videogames you used to play, the jokes you used to say, but once you start hitting that pussy hard, you no longer find the same interest in those activities anymore.

Meth is like...instead of getting your salary once a month, your boss comes to you and gives you the salary over the next 20 or 30 years saying here it is all. If you eat up all the money too soon you're fucked, but you can't say meth took something from you, like a robber stole your TV set because it simply isn't true. Meth just gave you an opportunity to mismanage your resources.

I can vouch this is a pretty great fucking description of this shit. :)
 
I just wonder why after watching so many documentaries such as drugs inc. etc that meth can give a prolonged erection (excuse the pun), not just for hours but days!
Personally I'm not homosexual myself, but a documentary I saw, set in San Francisco, about a gay escort; prostitute, for want of another term.
I don't want to go off on a tangent, but pretty much any substance tried has had an opposite reaction, especially adderall or amphetamine, meth or anything decent is really rare here.
Okay most probably there another force in play such as Viagra or Cialis that's not really mentioned.
Not that I've tried either of the two, but the idea of 5 hours standing to attention doesn't sound overly comfortable.
 
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I use it to get shit done in college now, maybe once a month when i pick a day to do all of my assignments in a tweaked out 14 hour sitting lol. I suppose I should stop while i'm ahead though
 
Meth is like...instead of getting your salary once a month, your boss comes to you and gives you the salary over the next 20 or 30 years saying here it is all. If you eat up all the money too soon you're fucked, but you can't say meth took something from you, like a robber stole your TV set because it simply isn't true. Meth just gave you an opportunity to mismanage your resources.

I can vouch this is a pretty great fucking description of this shit. :)
Well I agree wholeheartedly to most of what Ksa said, but this statement in particular does not apply to every drug equally. Some drugs are much more habit forming than others, meaning once you try them you are far more likely to end up with a habit than after trying certain other drugs. Very few people begin using a drug with a future daily habit in mind. From this you can deduce that psychotropic drugs can have an impact on the amount of control you have over your behaviour. It ends up being a philosophical or spiritual question about free will. The lab rats surely can't stop what's coming to them once they get a taste of that sweet drug laced water.

To clarify my point, let's assume there is an imagined drug out there that (so far) has caused 100% of users to develope a habit. Ksa's analogy about a person's freedom to manage his resources would still ring true, but does it really apply when no one manages to use said resources in a sustainable manner? The same goes for a person's control over his behaviour while on a psychotropic drug which I will get into after the next quote by reference to psychostimulants.

I just disagree with that. Alcohol is very hard on the body as is with meth and i think its just as close to the damage it can do. Im not saying meth doesnt do damage but i think the images they show in the media are the very extreme cases. Sure they could be on meth but i think alot of that is basic hygiene and sleep that are making them look that way. Im sure you could come up with some good mugshots for alot of shit. No drug should be villainized here like meth has.
Alcohol is a horrible drug once a person loses control over it's use, it can be extremely destructive in terms of social environment, somatic and mental health. That being said, there is no contest between recreational drugs for who does the most damage. Bottom line is: You are fucked if you use a drug daily or fail to use it at the low frequency you originally intended to stick to due to addiction. The tolerance will eventually cause a desire to up the dosage, leading to an increase in the total amount of substance that the body is directly exposed to (physical/chemical properties doing direct damage) and has to metabolize/excrete. You don't want to lose control over your drug use, which unfortunately happens to most of us at one time or another.

Now the images on meth are rough, they might be photoshopped a little, but I agree that almost everything you see on these pictures is due to behavioural factors:
-The teeth decay is due to clenching of teeth, sweet drinks, infrequent food intake and dry mouth (the last being direct pharmacological effect though)
-The wounds in the faces are due to compulsive scratching and picking of the skin
-The weight loss is due to a diet too low in calories and lack of sleep
-While this isn't reflected in the pictures, the psychological changes, especially psychotic states are massively facilitated and exacerbated by lack of sleep

Unfortunately, what stimulants do is not just make you feel stimulated, leaving you in full control over your behaviour. They influence your behaviour. It is no coincidence that meth users skip their sleep and meals (to the point where both become the exception), it is no coincidence they clench their teeth and have to consume a lot of sugar (in order not to starve), it is also no coincidence that compulsive behaviour like skin picking or scratching is seen in a lot of users. This is exacerbated by the pharmacological effects, mostly vegetative (sweating and paresthesia providing cues for compulsive scratching or skin picking, dry mouth exacerbating the dental health issue).

Of course it's perfectly okay to consume methamphetamine on a recreational basis, assuming a user has full control over his drug use. This is usually not the case and even if it is it can not be foreseen. Chances are occasional recreational use turns into a full-on daily habit and this is when things get ugly. Almost everyone tries booze, not just individuals predisposed to SUD. The vast majority of people who try methamphetamine already have a pre-existing SUD though, which is why alcohol seems more benevolent and not as addictive, the reasons are mostly cultural imho.

I'll assume you've never been on stimulants daily for extended periods of time or you'd know how heavy such a habit can be on the mind and body. There just is no way around it with use spinning out of control. Personally, I used to have trouble going to bed at night despite taking my amphetamine in the morning right after waking. The half life of methamphetamine is significantly longer, up to 30h in some unfortunate individuals. How are you going to maintain healthy sleep patterns or stick to a healthy diet when you never ever have any appetite or desire to sleep and wake up 3h into the night feeling fully refreshed?

Again, legit medicinal use at low doses can be well tolerated over very long periods of time (yes, genuine methamphetamine IS available as medication in the US, the brand name is Desoxyn). The danger lies in the substance use turning into abuse, due to conditioning/reinforcement leading into addiction which in turn leads to tolerance increasing the side effects and load on the body. Especially the tolerance to the appetite suppressing effects of methamphetamine (this is not the case for amphetamine) increases underproportionally relative to the desired effects, causing the lack of appetite to turn into a bigger problem with rising tolerance.

Once you're hooked you aren't gonna give a shit whether the boozers are worse off than you when it comes to their somatic health - A fucked liver, brain and peripheral nerves is what awaits them, cardiovascular disease or a major psychotic episode is not unlikely to kill you. It's just like the MS patient won't be cheered up by the fact of not having Parkinson's and vice versa - A direct comparison makes no sense whatsoever unless you are dead set on acquiring one habit or the other. Me personally, I start to develope a liking in booze whenever I use stimulants, so picking one or the other isn't really an issue that way. ;) Both can be extremely destructive, but both can also significantly enrich a person's life when used "responsibly" (you never know in advance if you can pull that off, I sure the fuck can not).

So in short: I don't listen to the media. I avoid news sites that write about "meth" (I avoid all news sites actually), I don't read the newspaper and I haven't watched TV in 12 years. I do know the "faces of meth" meme and I dislike it for the same reasons you do. However there is more truth to it than you might think.
I neither have a problem with stimulant users other than that they can be annoying as shit and usually degrade in character throughout their use, for whatever reason that is (probably mostly social factors). That's just my experience with stimulant ab(!)users. It is also my first hand experience, that it is hard to maintain control over stimulant use for some people (here: me) and that it can be a very destructive habit causing severe long lasting psychosis that in many cases can never be recovered from in full. It wreaked social havoc on me. You have no idea how quickly shit can spin out of control. Almost 15 years of easily compensated recreational drug use, then total decompensation on every level within less than 2 years of daily use (amphetamine salts used orally, intended as a study aid).

If you need sources for specific statements I made, tell me which ones and I'll try my best to provide peer reviewed sources, eventhough a lot of what I say is based on my own experience and on observing others.

Gotta sleep off my IV amphetamine binge sometime today. What day is it? Speaking of... Shit! I forgot to take my crazy meds and haven't eaten anything in 40h - whoops! Well at least I stocked up on "Lipton Ice Tea Sparkling" and malt beer. ;) My teeth feel as if they have aged by a year during the last 24h, no amount of compensatory hygiene will alleviate that feeling.

Well, I say 'hooray for olanzapine', which is as close to an antivenom for amphetamine as there is.
 
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Last drug to consider chill . It's the most addictive shit I've done and in regards to the overall statement . You remind me of myself after too much adderall . Seems you're just in the social high, talkative , intense mode that amps are famous for . Just don't get more than enough to keep you high for a day and night or stick around dealers cause it's easy to get out of hand . Ide talk to a doc cause it's not a super safe drug but seroquel would be a godsend to you by some point.
 
Can a mod please make this comment its own thread? Im on moblie and it wont let me create my own. I injected around 25 mg extended release methylephenidate. Stupidly. I thought it was ritalin but its generic concerta. Im freaking out because im reading about how the binders in concerta could make u blind from iv. I hate amps i dont know why i even did it and now im worried. Am i gunna be alright or should i go to the er and suck up going to rehab and loosing all the trust i built back from my parents over the year
 
I think its key that I don't use it to run, or to stop feeling. I just use for the enjoyable experiences, but I could be naive in believing in moderation? Just saw my title again I guess every second that passes is another second closer to your death so really we are all dying. Lets not make it a race.

After being lit, progressively the dampening occurs and the realization that we all are dying. "Speed" gets us to the end of the race faster. Using it makes that lap much more exhilirating and powerful, but it is like putting nitrous in an engine of a race car. It is like hard miles that make the engine blow up faster. In this case the engine is your brain, your CNS- the drive train and cardiovascular system- the fuel system. Maintain it or you end up in a crash or worse yet a blowout!
 
Can a mod please make this comment its own thread? Im on moblie and it wont let me create my own. I injected around 25 mg extended release methylephenidate. Stupidly. I thought it was ritalin but its generic concerta. Im freaking out because im reading about how the binders in concerta could make u blind from iv. I hate amps i dont know why i even did it and now im worried. Am i gunna be alright or should i go to the er and suck up going to rehab and loosing all the trust i built back from my parents over the year

IF you are not blind yet, I would realize that you are suffering from paranoia. Do not go to the er unless ACTUAL medical symptoms develop. i.e. Racing heart with pain, diziness or loss of co-ordination Your thoughts can be your own worst enemy, and rehab is torture when not desired. If you are writing posts you probably are not that bad off ...ride it out. calm yourself.

I never inject any type of speed in my opinion it is intense enough as it is. Also the steep onset of effect and subsequent decline creates a worse comedown.
 
Thanks for the comfort. I have anxiety and stims bring it out real fat. Im a fool for doin this but ya i think i should be fine
 
It most definitely IS a mistake to take it as a light drug. It is NOT a light drug. All hard drugs start off happy and innocent and before you know it you're banging 2 grams a day, hearing people plotting to kill you from your second story window (this one is all too common), seeing shadow people, and you haven't slept in 9 days and you weigh 115 pounds. I used to trust my self-control too until I realized I didn't have any. I've run through just about every addiction known to man. TREAD CAREFULLY. You sound incredibly foolish, no offense seriously, but just read around these forums for Christ's sake. Search ampetamine psychosis and you'll come to find the majority of people's stories start out just like yours. :)

That amphetamine psychosis is a gnarly aggrevative HORRIBLE bitch. Didn't expect it to hit me. Noticed small auditory hallucinations like changes in pitch in speech so..Stopped taking amphetamines and it got worse even! Voices came! Only thing that quited the voices were regular doses of adderall. The voices convinced me to stop all meds.. NO shit.. Was on 60mgs Adderall, 1.5mgs Klonopin and 90 mgs Methadone daily. Then they convinced me to stop talking to ANYONE! When I was in the psychosis my wife called the paramedics they just assumed overdose and hit me with the Narcan. I went insane, literally screaming and thrashing about in rage, they couldn't pin me down so I got hit with the highest dose of thorazine! It fucked up my nervous system to this day! When I realized it was in fact psychosis it had already landed me in a psych ward because I stopped talking all together... Months of total horror! Thinking the government was reading my mind and zapping my brain with electricity. I am intelligent so my psychotic delusions were well constructed by my brain and so convincing I thought it was my reality. I came too eventually after about 2 weeks. Now I see my psychiatrist more regular and take my meds otherwise my ADD symptoms turn me into this amotivational majorly depressed anxiety carcass. If I went abstinent of drugs I have no idea how long it would take to return to "normal" if ever possible.

Heavy stimulant use is no joke. If you use them you must control yourself and identify abnormal behavoir. This is imperative unless you want to hit the ultimate hell that is psychosis.

The thing is I still take my Adderall at recommended dosages. The psychosis never returned. It is caused by high dopamine levels in the brain. My brain seemed to downgrade my nuerons to prevent this.(?) However this evil psychotic hell was caused by stopping my medication rather than overdosing, but I have used it recreationally in the past.
 
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Meth is nice at first but you'll fall into a cycle of abuse til you're dead. I haven't done meth though. It's EXTREMELY neurotoxic, do coke which doesn't fuck up your brain, just your heart. You will destroy serotonergic and dopaminergic neurons and you'll have permanent cognitive impairment and depression. I personally value my brain over everything, even though I'm no where near as intelligent as I used to be thanks to Adderall abuse, antipsychotics and all sorts of neurotoxic drugs I've done in the past out of ignorance and arrogance. Good luck mate, just wean off this shit and smoke weed and do some LSD or something.

Fucking amen...
 
Thanks for the comfort. I have anxiety and stims bring it out real fat. Im a fool for doin this but ya i think i should be fine

Chill..glad to help. See if you would of called you would be in the E.R. explaining all this shit and feeling like an asshole while they judge you for something they can't possibly understand. You'll be alright brother.
 
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