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Similar to oxycodone perhaps in addiction potential, which is to say, extremely high.
Not worth it at all. Still feel something slimy in my body next day, feel like I binged on stimulants for a week. Never before have I had such a crash from an opioid
However either something in me changed or the tianeptine synthesis quality changed (or likely, both), because these days I don't get any of the magic I used to get from tianeptine. Just sort of an edgy, dirty high and a ton of side-effects (nausea).
Is it normally sold as a mixture of enantiomers? Maybe only one enantiomer is responsible for the good effects?
I quickly glanced through a Chinese patent regarding its synthesis and didn't see any mention of chirality.
Although it seems like the enantiomeric ratio would be highly dependent on the optical purity of main precursor.
So maybe something did change, or it could be perma-tolerance.
I'll probably never tried tianeptine unless it somehow falls on my lap or someone gives it to me as a gift.
Sounds like the kind of bizarre reactions I have to certain drugs. Irritability, anger, etc. I've been avoiding tianeptine like the plague for years as it will ruin the love of my life (kratom) and give me yet another substance to kick. Thanks for this information, it only adds to my determination.I tried it at 12mg (therapeutic dose) and then 150mg oral. Both doses produced significant irritability leading to frustration and depression. 150mg had opioid effects however gave me some scary CEVs. Laying in bed I kept seeing an angry man repeatedly reaching for my throat trying to choke me. It was disturbing.
Tossed it after that with no desire to use it again.
The problem is, when it comes to drugs, the mind seems to remember the good and forget the bad.
Truer words have never been spoken. Even being fully aware of this my mind still manages to trick me, or I just let it trick me...
And then there is the whole thought of "it'll be different this time" (HA!) even though it was exactly the same all 57 previous times and I had thought it would somehow be different before each of those times as well
Something something the definition of insanity
My god I'm pathetic (and the kicker) currently hooked on Tianeptine as well
FWIW, I am a long term opioid addict going on 20ish years since discovering them. Of those 20 years, 15 of them were spent locked in physical/mental dependency. All sorts of the usual pharmaceuticals, plus some time on poppy pods, kratom, short while on low dose methadone and a couple years on buprenorphine which I then finally managed properly taper and then got clean for a couple years.At what dose/day? Sodium?
Agreed. I read the threads and honestly @MDPV_Psychosis (thanks for posting, you helped me avoid this) was the one person deciding factor in me ust leaving it alone and not ordering any. Though the years I have been on opiates of some sort. Life got better on poppy tea, after heroin and methadone, when the balance allowed me to function. And the fact I can now remain ok on an amount of kratom in the morning and late afternoon means I got the balance as far under control as I could and I don't want to ruin that with a substance that could screw with kratom tolerance. Kratom is enough for now after a life of imbalance. I thank it everyday. It has been more forgiving than anything else in my life. If I did not get my poppy tea I could barely get out of bed and lived in a nightmare. If I don't get my kratom I get a little chill, little restless than can be quelled by cannabis. lolI've been avoiding tianeptine like the plague for years as it will ruin the love of my life (kratom) and give me yet another substance to kick. Thanks for this information, it only adds to my determination.
FWIW, I am a long term opioid addict going on 20ish years since discovering them. Of those 20 years, 15 of them were spent locked in physical/mental dependency. All sorts of the usual pharmaceuticals, plus some time on poppy pods, kratom, short while on low dose methadone and a couple years on buprenorphine which I then finally managed properly taper and then got clean for a couple years.
Then I fucked up: tried Tianeptine and allowed myself to go with it. Just had a 'fuck it' attitude and knew exactly what I was getting myself into.
Been on Tianeptine daily now going on seven years. For quite awhile in the beginning was using 3-4g sodium per day. Eventually realized it was not sustainable, switched to FA and then tapered down. Got all the way down to somewhere around only 200-300mg per day and maintained it for months.
I could have easily quit at that point (and should have) but wasn't ready to I guess. Since then my use has fluctuated. I let things slide and work my way back up to like 1-2g of FA per day then spend weeks/months tapering back down to like 500mg or whatever. Then I slide again, taper down, slide, etc.
I'm tired of it and finally ready to stop. Have been tapering since the beginning of the year, currently getting by on 800mg FA per day. I've been on it so long now that I've found that tapering too quickly really fucks with me. So I am going very slow and steady. My plan is to get as low as possible by summer then stop finallly. Maybe a very short taper (just a couple of days max) with low dose bupe if needed.
Mostly I'm worried about an enduring an extended period of paws after so many years of daily use combined with my already long history of opioid use.
Is sulfate better than sodium? Which one is... better/safer