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The Official Tramadol Discussion Thread

tramadol by far is my favorite opiate withdrawal remedy. 200mg and a few valiums and im OK. A bowl of some fine herb and its perfecto. Sometimes may have to dose another 100 later in the day but it keeps the w/d away
 
Honestly, it's amazing the amount of pharmacological knowledge that floats around this site. I work as a nurse and some of this info shit all o\/er pharmacists'.
 
Moral Decay said:
I disagree with that advice, I am about your same size and would suggest no more than 200mg to start. It can be really over stimulating if you take too much. Also the seizure threshold is a danger at 400+ so i would be careful not to exceed that until you have developed a tolerance to it. Tramadol can be an awesome drug if you keep the use to periodic, but judging by your history you will prolly slip into daily use as I did. Start small and work up, no reason to develop a huge tolerance too soon.

I do agree that it takes a while to come on though, I would wait at least 2-3 hours before deciding to take more.


edit>> obviously you were OK with that dose, but most people starting out for the first time should not take more then 200mg until they know the effects. you can always add more to your dose but once you've taken it you cant un-take it.
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Cheers Moral etc for the sound Tramadol advice. I agree for some it can be an awesome drug. But caution and regular Tram breaks are vital. Take care everyone, I'm giving me head a rest from the pharms.
 
I have a story and a question, maybe two.
On 5/02.I picked up a clothes basket of wet clothes and immediately felt a sharp pain square in the middle of my right butt cheek. By the time I loaded the clothesbasket in my truck I could not stand up straight to walk. Two trips to the emergency room yeilded some useless hydrocodone, but did get me a refferral to the orthopedic. The visit to the ortho got me xrays and an mri. The ortho was a bit more aggressive with the meds, but not a lot as he prescribed me 90 percocets 5/325, 90 Flexeril, and 90 Ultracet. Found out here that tramadol and flexeril are not the best two meds to mix unless you are taking them strictly as prescribed. Btw, my diagnosis is Lumbar Stenosis w/degenerative disc and this involves my sciatic nerve. I can honestly say that this is the WORST pain I have had because it has been at the same level since 5/02! I have been put on disability leave for the rest of the school year due to this. The percocets only knock the edge off of my pain, but that is better than nothing. Also I have an appointment with a spine specialist on 5/27, this Thursday where they will be a bit more aggressive with the meds.

Now to the questions. If you have read any of my posts you know I have a huge tolerance to tramadol, to the tune of 1200 to 1300 mgs a day. For the past 10 days my tramadol comsumption has dropped drastically because I ran out of the ones I order online and could not order more as even with insurance my money was going to pay doctor and prescription bills. I am using the ultracet, but since it contains 325 mg of acetiminiphen, as do the percocets, I have to limit myself to 12 pills total in a 24 hour period. This means 6 ultracet and 6 percocet a day. On the odd day the pain is worse I add 1 more of each. DAMN this is a long post! If my math is correct I have dropped from 1200mg's of tramadol to 225mg' of tramadol since ultracet is 37.5 mg's of tram and 325 apap. HELLUVA' big drop in tram consumption!!! And this has been going on for 10 days. Now I am getting 30 to 35 mgks of oxycocone each day. I am wondering if that amt of oxy is masking the severe drop in tram as I have felt only the smallest, and I mean smallest of unease from the lesser amt of tram my body is getting and only for a very short period of time at the very end of the pills wearing off. I have had a small bit of rls but have used small doses of mirapex to cure that. There is a question somewhere in there so if you can find it give me your thoughts.

Something else I have always questioned is just how good is the online tram I have been ordering. By this I mean the actuak strength. I consistently get the AN 627 generics. I do know that the tram I get local, when I have a script seems more potent, but can't think of the brand at the moment.

Anyway, gist of all this is that I have been wanting and trying to cut into that huge amount of tram I have been consuming for the past several years. Maybe with some dedication and smart dosing I can do this without getting an addiction to the oxycodone or other meds I might be placed on. I do have an order of 180 tramadol coming on Friday that I will accept simply to have on hand to use if I do begin to have problems with the small amount I am currently taking. I really hope this situation has provided me the means of reducing my tram consumption!

Please, commnts and thoughts.
 
edgewise1 said:
I have a story and a question, maybe two.
On 5/02.I picked up a clothes basket of wet clothes and immediately felt a sharp pain square in the middle of my right butt cheek. By the time I loaded the clothesbasket in my truck I could not stand up straight to walk. Two trips to the emergency room yeilded some useless hydrocodone, but did get me a refferral to the orthopedic. The visit to the ortho got me xrays and an mri. The ortho was a bit more aggressive with the meds, but not a lot as he prescribed me 90 percocets 5/325, 90 Flexeril, and 90 Ultracet. Found out here that tramadol and flexeril are not the best two meds to mix unless you are taking them strictly as prescribed. Btw, my diagnosis is Lumbar Stenosis w/degenerative disc and this involves my sciatic nerve. I can honestly say that this is the WORST pain I have had because it has been at the same level since 5/02! I have been put on disability leave for the rest of the school year due to this. The percocets only knock the edge off of my pain, but that is better than nothing. Also I have an appointment with a spine specialist on 5/27, this Thursday where they will be a bit more aggressive with the meds.

Now to the questions. If you have read any of my posts you know I have a huge tolerance to tramadol, to the tune of 1200 to 1300 mgs a day. For the past 10 days my tramadol comsumption has dropped drastically because I ran out of the ones I order online and could not order more as even with insurance my money was going to pay doctor and prescription bills. I am using the ultracet, but since it contains 325 mg of acetiminiphen, as do the percocets, I have to limit myself to 12 pills total in a 24 hour period. This means 6 ultracet and 6 percocet a day. On the odd day the pain is worse I add 1 more of each. DAMN this is a long post! If my math is correct I have dropped from 1200mg's of tramadol to 225mg' of tramadol since ultracet is 37.5 mg's of tram and 325 apap. HELLUVA' big drop in tram consumption!!! And this has been going on for 10 days. Now I am getting 30 to 35 mgks of oxycocone each day. I am wondering if that amt of oxy is masking the severe drop in tram as I have felt only the smallest, and I mean smallest of unease from the lesser amt of tram my body is getting and only for a very short period of time at the very end of the pills wearing off. I have had a small bit of rls but have used small doses of mirapex to cure that. There is a question somewhere in there so if you can find it give me your thoughts.

Something else I have always questioned is just how good is the online tram I have been ordering. By this I mean the actuak strength. I consistently get the AN 627 generics. I do know that the tram I get local, when I have a script seems more potent, but can't think of the brand at the moment.

Anyway, gist of all this is that I have been wanting and trying to cut into that huge amount of tram I have been consuming for the past several years. Maybe with some dedication and smart dosing I can do this without getting an addiction to the oxycodone or other meds I might be placed on. I do have an order of 180 tramadol coming on Friday that I will accept simply to have on hand to use if I do begin to have problems with the small amount I am currently taking. I really hope this situation has provided me the means of reducing my tram consumption!

Please, commnts and thoughts.
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personally i believe that oxy is a much more potent drug that tramadol, but you would need to take a fairly large dose to equal the amount of tram you have been taking.

there are formulations of tramadol purchased outside of the US that have 50mg of tramadol in a capsule that are extremely cheap. you might be able to find one of those and then have the tram you need and not have to worry about extra apap. If you can take a light benzo with your oxy or even promethazine it will potentate it and you shouldn't have to worry about RLS.
 
Got the pm MD, thanks! I am actually going to try and use the situation I am in to reduce my tramadol intake. I have an order of 180 coming Thursday that I plan on being my last order. I'm thinking that the stronger narcotics I will be on will help mask the tram withdrawal, but not sure about how the snri effects will be handled, but so far I have had no problems with the great reduction of the tramadol and it has been 10 days already. I realize that I could be setting myself up for an addiction to much stronger narcotics, depending on the length of time it takes to "cure" my condition. But again, so far I have taken the meds according to the drs.instructions. So here is hoping I will be able to reduce it to a normal dosage or much better, reduce it all the way to ZERO!
 
Over the past couple of years I have taken alot of adderall. I take about 40mg of it since my tolerance has grown so high. A few years ago I had broken my tail bone (long story) so I constantly have lower back aches. Doctor thinks ive got arthritis in my spine ( they still are doing tests) but unfortunatly she doesnt want to perscribe me anything due to any addictions that may come with it. My dad has alot of pain issues and one medication he takes is tramadol. Ive only been experimenting with it for a little over a month now and I love it. What im trying to get it tho, is that ive taken the 2 medications together many times now and everythings been fine... thus far anyway.Sad thing is, is the adderall takes alot of the tramadol high away. Therefore, if you looking for a different high by taking the 2 I wouldnt recommend it. If I dont take adderall im fine with 150-200mg of the tramadol, otherwise ill take up to 300mg. Ive mixed them only because I take adderall almost daily.
 
So I'm trying to get a tramadol script from my doctor, for migraine attacks (which I do have). I was just trying to get some advice on how to best deal with this situation.

Normal painkillers (APA, iboprufen,, asperin) don't work if it's a serious migraine attack so I'm trying to get something stronger.

My doc will probably try to prescribe me codeine/APAP but the thing is, that would be great if I didn't have CYP2D6 deficiency. I've tried codeine twice, gave me MAJOR stomach cramps (first time I was 16 and took 60mg; it hurt so much I thought I was dying because I OD'd, ah the memories =D ) and the ethyl-analogue (ethylmorphine) trice (up to a dose of 250mg) and felt nothing those three times.

Also, I don't think my country has hydrocodone .. wikipedia says it does but I haven't found any medication containing hydrocodone. We do have a bottle of tramadol lying around the house though, but it's my dads and he uses it for actual medical purposes (has alot of backpain) so I rather not steal to much. I have taken a few tablets and I really feel a high what feels similar to how an opiate high is described.

Anyway, what I'm trying to distill out of this incoherent rambling is this question: How do I convince my doctor to prescribe me tramadol without being labeled a drugseeker?

I'm even more cautious, because my father has had a history of ritalin abuse that she probably (not certain) knows about. So it might sound a little fishy if i start to talk about how I'm a CYP2D6 Poor Metaboliser and codeine and it's analogues don't work for me, but I've tried tramadol, so it would be superswell if she could just write me a script.

I DO intent to use them for their intended purpose (migraines) but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't abuse them at least a tiny bit.
 
Solide said:
So I'm trying to get a tramadol script from my doctor, for migraine attacks (which I do have). I was just trying to get some advice on how to best deal with this situation.

Normal painkillers (APA, iboprufen,, asperin) don't work if it's a serious migraine attack so I'm trying to get something stronger.

My doc will probably try to prescribe me codeine/APAP but the thing is, that would be great if I didn't have CYP2D6 deficiency. I've tried codeine twice, gave me MAJOR stomach cramps (first time I was 16 and took 60mg; it hurt so much I thought I was dying because I OD'd, ah the memories =D ) and the ethyl-analogue (ethylmorphine) trice (up to a dose of 250mg) and felt nothing those three times.

Also, I don't think my country has hydrocodone .. wikipedia says it does but I haven't found any medication containing hydrocodone. We do have a bottle of tramadol lying around the house though, but it's my dads and he uses it for actual medical purposes (has alot of backpain) so I rather not steal to much. I have taken a few tablets and I really feel a high what feels similar to how an opiate high is described.

Anyway, what I'm trying to distill out of this incoherent rambling is this question: How do I convince my doctor to prescribe me tramadol without being labeled a drugseeker?

I'm even more cautious, because my father has had a history of ritalin abuse that she probably (not certain) knows about. So it might sound a little fishy if i start to talk about how I'm a CYP2D6 Poor Metaboliser and codeine and it's analogues don't work for me, but I've tried tramadol, so it would be superswell if she could just write me a script.

I DO intent to use them for their intended purpose (migraines) but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't abuse them at least a tiny bit.
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Not long ago I began to suffer anxiety/panic attacks. I had acquired a few Valium from my mother and they helped tremendously. I went into my doctors and I told him about my symptoms and the panic attack I had and that it felt as though I was having a heart attack.

After telling my doctor this he asked me "so you want some xanax is that it?"

I told him "well my mother had given my a Valium and it caused all negative effects to dissipate and I no longer felt panicked". He said that he would start me off with 30 Valiums and see how it went. It was a life saver for me. I still get them prescribed ever since.

I would just be honest with your doctor. I am not sure what country you are in but in the United States Tramadol is not scheduled and many doctors give it out like candy.
 
Moral Decay said:
Not long ago I began to suffer anxiety/panic attacks. I had acquired a few Valium from my mother and they helped tremendously. I went into my doctors and I told him about my symptoms and the panic attack I had and that it felt as though I was having a heart attack.

After telling my doctor this he asked me "so you want some xanax is that it?"

I told him "well my mother had given my a Valium and it caused all negative effects to dissipate and I no longer felt panicked". He said that he would start me off with 30 Valiums and see how it went. It was a life saver for me. I still get them prescribed ever since.

I would just be honest with your doctor. I am not sure what country you are in but in the United States Tramadol is not scheduled and many doctors give it out like candy.
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That's how I got my Ativan. I went in and told him about my anxiety and told him that my mothers Ativan worked very well, and he prescribed me 20 sublingual pills to try, and if it helped he'd up the amount so I wouldn't have to come in all the time.
 
Where are you from Solide?
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Belgium :)

Not long ago I began to suffer anxiety/panic attacks. I had acquired a few Valium from my mother and they helped tremendously. I went into my doctors and I told him about my symptoms and the panic attack I had and that it felt as though I was having a heart attack.

After telling my doctor this he asked me "so you want some xanax is that it?"

I told him "well my mother had given my a Valium and it caused all negative effects to dissipate and I no longer felt panicked". He said that he would start me off with 30 Valiums and see how it went. It was a life saver for me. I still get them prescribed ever since.

I would just be honest with your doctor. I am not sure what country you are in but in the United States Tramadol is not scheduled and many doctors give it out like candy.
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It seems to me that US doctors seem more 'prescription-happy' than the ones over here. I think there's more of a general attitude of 'you should take as less pills as possible' over here (with doctors and regular people).

Still, I guess you guys are right and just being honest about what I want would be the best aproach. Doctors usually aren't stupid and deal with other people trying to score a script so my chances would not be the best if she suspects I'm being dishonest. Thanks for the input :)
 
Hi guys, I've had a read through this thread. Been using tramadol for a couple of months now (like twice a week or so, never every day).
The most I've done is 400mg at once and then whilst all high snorted another 100mg a few hours later.

My question is, a friend recently asked me if he and a couple of girls (his roommates) could try some.
I know it doesn't work for everyone and also I never really considered it a "group" type drug if you understand what I mean. Anyway, I was wondering how much they should take for their first time? I want them to have quite a moderately-strong effect so they don't say things like "pff it's only subtle". I've provided him with links to the wiki, this thread and erowid to let him research it himself, if he bothers.

Do you think 200mg each for them for their first time? Or should it be less for the girls who are smaller (150?) or more for him (250?) I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable going above 250 for them. I don't want people to have seizures or anything!
Any input would be appreciated.
 
It's different for everyone, anyone I gave it to i would always give them 200mg and instruct them to take 100mg to start and if after 2-3 hour they aren't feeling great to take the other 100mg. 200mg can be over stimulating for some. Personally i would do the way I just described to you. It's more important that their first experience not be overwhelming than it is for you to get praise on how great a drug it is. Let them decide for themselves if it is a good drug with out giving them an uncomfortable dose.
 
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Psychedelic Jay said:
My bad, the only reason I say that is because I have Panic disorder.
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I also have panic disorder and depression. Tramadol can make me incredibly shaky unless I take 5 mg diazepam (both prescribed) with it. Still, nothing lifts my mood - immediately - like tramadol does. I'm not of the "opiates should be prescribed for depression" school of thought; I simply get horrendous side effects from absolutely everything else. My doctor and I decided to try it as a last resort, and as I'm at about 21 days with it still active at 50 mg for the anti-d effect, with a near-immediate mood lift, I'm incredibly pleased with the results.

This stuff worked when none of the SSRIs did. No side effects beyond the slight increase in anxiety.

I can see the "why" as to people getting addicted to it. I have enormous self-control because I don't want to have it stop working. My depression has a huge pain component (possibly fibromyalgia - haven't seen the immunologist in awhile) and tramadol knocks both right out.

This drug, when other options fail, shows tremendous promise for many issues. It can also be a drug of abuse.

I really urge those of you who abuse tramadol to wean. Tolerance builds quickly at more than therapeutic doses. Tramadol will never be respected as the potent pain-relieving antidepressant it is if people (continue to) abuse it.
 
trams and limp weenie

Hi everyone.

I enjoy tramadol every once in a while. Usually in the range of 200-300mgs. I love the mood lift and opioid high combination. The thing I hate though is it kills my sex drive. If I know I am going to get some action on a particular night I can't go near the trams. I can't perform after taking a good dose of tramadol. Is that common? If I take other opioids I don't have this problem to the same extent..
 
It can happen. I know my bf can get hard but can't cum on Tram.
Just the Tram I'm sure.

I guess I'll try eating. Eating on Tram and eating on meth is about the same. Like chewing on a paper towel...
 
Pillthrill said:
It can happen. I know my bf can get hard but can't cum on Tram.
Just the Tram I'm sure.

I guess I'll try eating. Eating on Tram and eating on meth is about the same. Like chewing on a paper towel...
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Try wet foods like canned peaches and vegetable soup. For me it was hard at first then i just learned which foods were good. I enjoy tram a lot more when I'm not getting sick from not eating.
 
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