Thanks for the questions. My bottle of peppermint is 4fl oz (120mL) and saids a special blend of 65% alcohol, water, and peppermint oil. Found it in the kitchen spice isle at grocery store a while back. I don't see why the brand you found won't work, should do just fine...if when you open it, it smells strongly of peppermint then it should work just fine.
The only reason I didn't add the 1/3rd to 1/4rth of a shot of everclear in the 1st step along with the extraction tea bag is because alcohol will pull nasties out of the teabag (alcohol will pull nonpolar and polar alkaloids out of the bag, and you don't want that) however just the plain water will pull only the polar (good water soluble) alkaloids out of the teabag, so long as your extraction does not go for longer than 45 minutes or so. I only extract for 30 minutes in water with the stirrer or high, then just before I throw the tea bag out, I squeeze the bag to empty any water inside of it out back into the jar. You want to stir the water for a while like 20 to 45 minutes or even an hour if you want, but if your water turns brown then you have stirred for too long. My water is always yellow/orange/tan colored when I'm done and it's important to use cold spring or distilled water too and not any tap water that has chlorine, as chlorine can destroy LSA, hell chlorine can even destroy LSD.
You can however, add your 7 peppermint extract drops to the jar right away when you are doing the extraction. It's up to you. But also remember that the extract I use is some 65% alcohol, and again, it's best to not have alcohol in the original extraction until after you throw the teabag away. All you want is just cold spring water in there while you do the extraction. But go ahead and add the peppermint drops right away if you want, if won't hurt the extraction that much...as a matter of fact in my experiment #1, I added the 7 drops right away when the teabag was lowered into the water. You can add a pinch of DL tartaric acid powder or a few drops of lemon juice if you want to aid the extraction but I didn't do that.
By the way, this has been confirmed by two people now just recently, myself and Avalokita--we have both done lots of chemistry work in the past such as mescaline extractions down to the white powder with recrystallizations in dreams, etc. We are not lying when we say that this is very different than regular water extracted LSA or even HBWR taken in a capsule.
The effects from the LSH and mixed adduct products is stimulating, enjoyable, and psychedelic, much moreso than regular morning glory or HBWR extractions in our opinion. Avalokita could not even fall asleep because he was still very high and stimulated wee into the morning hours.
This is for real. I have had 3 experiments so far:
Experiment #1 used 4oz of spring water, 6 grams of 2 year old seeds, 1/4 shot of everclear, and 7 drops of peppermint extract.
Experiment #2 used just 4 oz of spring water, 6 grams of 2 year old seeds, 1/3 rd shot of everclear, and NO ADDED MINT (this was the control experiment)
Experiment #3 used 4oz of spring water, 6 grams of 2 year old seeds, 1/3rd shot of everclear, and 8 drops of peppermint extract.
Let me tell you: Experiment #1 and #3 were heads and tales above experiment #2 (no mint added). There is definately something very big going on here. It is like the difference between night and day. When you add the mint drops to the extraction, it may be transforming the alkaloids into new adduct condensation products in the presence of a very mild amount of alcohol. It may even be possible in the future to show that the addition of the alcohol is not needed, just the mint drops, but we haven't tested that yet.
Experiments #1 and #3 were stimulating, psychedelic, it "lights up" your headspace very quickly in only 45 minutes or so...your thoughts will not be clouded like on LSA, instead you will be able to interact with your environment just like on LSD, there will also be no tiredness or feelings of being in an inner world...instead you will experience expanded awareness...I think the effects of experiment #1 and #3 feel like a cross between LSA and LSD, you will not be dissapointed.
If any of you do not believe me, just read Avalokita's report that he did just 2 days ago. He was very impressed. We are both well respected members of the **** and have been members for many years. We really have no reason to play around with any of this as we can trip on other things but we wanted to see if indeed this had something to do with the Kykeon potion used at Eleusis in Ancient Greece.
I will give you my theory of what is happening in the future. But to put it shortly, there are some 21 different natural aldehydes in peppermint, and when these aldehydes adduct themselves onto LSA and the other alkaloids at the amide Nitrogen, they will stabilize themselves in the presence of a mild amount of alcohol so that they can reach the brain intact. Instead of being "labile" or unstable, they will be stabilized so that the new adduct product does not come apart.
It has been shown for example by Dr. Nichols of the Heffter Institute (go to Heffter.org and read the paper entitled "LSD and its Lysergamide cousins" that he found entries #6 and #16 to be pretty damn close in effects and potency to LSD due to having 4 carbons and about 10 hydrogens or less connected onto just one of the amide structures while the other stayed at just hydrogen. The molecular weight of the entry #6 cousin was the exact same as LSD and had effects that were almost just as potent as LSD in the 2-lever rat drug discrimination test.
Top Entry is LSD: R=C2H5, R1 = C2H5 (4 carbons, as we all know, ding! ding! we have liftoff)
LSA (in MG or HBWR seeds): R=H, R1=H (no carbons, ho hum I'm feeling tired allready)
Entry 6: R = H, R1 = CH(CH3)C2H5 (4 carbons, ding ding!) is very similar in potency & effects to LSD according to the rats and curiously saids Dr. Nichols also has the same molecular weight. The amine name for this one is 2-aminobutane.
Entry 16: R=H, R1 = CH(C2H5)2 (5 carbons, ding ding!) is also very similar in potency & effects to LSD according to the rats, the amine name for this one is 3-aminopentane.
LAE:32: R=H, R1 =CHOCH3 (2 carbons) gives LSD like effects at 1.6mg with none of the negatives.
LSH R=H, R1=CHOHCH3 (2 carbons) nearly identical to LAE:32 With LSH, mice and rabbits became excited and Glasser believes it may have LSD like effects, although no human studies were done, they planned to do the studies, but never got around to it.
Acetaldehyde = CH0CH3 (get it ?) LSH is also a natural product found in the seeds but comes apart during even mild extractions. There is acetaldehyde found in the plant and seeds.
Affinity for 5-HT2A and 5-HT1A receptors and potency in the rat two-lever drug discrimination assay for selected lysergic acid amides from Dr. Nichols of the Heffter Institute:
entry #1 (LSD) 5-HT2A: 4.8, 5-HT1A: 4.4, ED50: 48
entry #6 (2-aminobutane) 5-HT2A: 8.8, 5-HT1A: 2.0, ED50: 33
entry #16 (3-aminobutane) 5-HT2A: 8.0, 5-HT1A: 2.1, ED50: 52
The rats loved the stuff. Notice how LSD and the other related cousins have 4 carbons and 3 carbons respectively. Our LSH has 2 carbons just as LAE-32 has 2 carbons, and purported to give LSD like effects with none of the negatives of LSA at 1.6mg and higher. LSA has no carbons attached at the amide. They didn't need rats for any of these studies, they could have just used me! biggrin.gif
Our theoretical adduct products LSH for instance if it is being formed contains 2 carbons and a bunch of hydrogens...nearly identical to LAE-32 found to give LSD like effects at 1.6mg in people with none of the negatives of LSA.
The 21 aldehydes in mint that may be adducting themselves on to our LSA are giving us a mixed bag of products that are all more potent than LSA, much more potent. Even though the amount of aldehydes in mint may not be measurable, some of them out of the 21 may be very similar to having 4 carbons and causing considerable activity when they adduct and are ingested. Acetaldehyde may be one of the more measurable of the aldehydes in mint. I'll list all the aldehydes in mint here, though they may not be found in necessarily measurable quantities:
Furfural (1962)
5-Methyl-2-hexenal, p-methoxybenzaldehyde (1972)
Butanal (1972)
2-Methyl-2 butenal, (E)-2-octenal, geranial, salicylaldehyde, 3,4-dimethyloxybenazldehyde, 4-methyl-2-phenyl-2-pentenal, 5-methyl-2-phenyl-2-pentenal, 2-methoxycinnamaldehyde, (Z)-3-hexenal, 2-4-hexadienal (1980, 1989)
Tiglic aldehyde (1991)
Veratraldehyde (1991)
Octanal, 2,4-nonadienal, (E,Z)-2,6-nonadienal (1998)
Myrtenal (1972, 1980)
Benzaldehyde (1962, 1991)
Heptanal (1972, 1992)
Neral (1980, 1995)
Anisaldehyde (1991, 1998)
Valeraldehyde (1991, 2002)
Phenylacetaldehyde (1962, 1972, 1998)
(Z)-4-Heptenal (1972, 1991, 1998)
Hexanal (1989, 1991, 1992)
Acetaldehyde (1962, 1962, 1972, 2002)
Z-methylbutanal Isovaleraldehyde (1972, 2002)
(E)-2-Hexenal (1965, 1972, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1997, 2002)
Isobutanal (1972, 1975, 1991, 1995, 1998, 2000, 2002)
From the research paper:
Reaction mixtures were also prepared using 1,3, and 4-carbon chain aldehydes and alcohols after 24 hours of reaction at ambient temperature, these alternative mixtures were analyzed. Reaction products were detected in all cases. Product retention time increased with the length of the reagent's carbon chains.
In my opinion, Isobutanal (Isobutyraldehyde) found in mint oil has the formula C4 H8 0, and when compared to acetaldehyde which is C2 H4 0, we get something which looks a lot more potent if we could get it to adduct and condense with our LSA. Isobutyraldehyde is an aldehyde which occurs in honey as well. Probably hazardous to health, etc. don't know have not researched it yet. An aldehyde with 4 carbon atoms such as this aldehyde attached to LSA would raise the molecular weight of LSA higher and increase the activity of the effects.
http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1006831.html There seems to be a lot of it in beer: beer 5405 ppm, this leads us back to the kykeon and mead and ergot infested barely soaking in water...hmmm. Even more in white bread: 19,770 ppm (parts per million).
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I was so impressed with the effects from the LSH and other mixed bag of assorted adduct condensation products that I intend in dreams to experiment with this alot more... yes I was that impressed by the experiments.
It is not LSD but like a cross between LSA and LSD, falling somewhere in the middle. I believe in doing everything scientifically in order to rule out false conclusions.
Next week I will be taking 1/3rd shot of everclear along with 7 drops of peppermint oil extract just to make sure that none of the effects I experienced are coming just from that combination. I don't believe that it will cause any mental effects, but I just want to make sure so I can rule it out competely.
If I get no effects then I will know for sure that our LSA and other alkaloids are being transformed ex-vivo and possibly even in-vivo (don't know yet until I do more experiments) into new adduct condensation products.
Other possibilites for experimentation: adding fresh mint leaves or herbal tea instead of peppermint extract drops (the kitchen section at your grocery store), omitting the 1/3rd shot of everclear, keeping the 1/3rd shot of everclear in, spinning the potion for more 1 hour at least, putting the potion in the fridge for 24 hours before you drink it, not spinning it but ingesting it right away, etc. There are many more experiments that need to be done. I used 2 year old seeds for example, imagine had I used fresh seeds. Or even if I were to use 8 grams of seeds instead of 6 grams...much more work to be done.
