well this 4-fa stuff you keep gong on about in a thread that is about a completely different drug, really does seem the dogs bollocks, shame its not legal in the UK, i guess ill have to stick to enjoying (as95% of this thread do) 6apb, even though, obviously it is an inferior drug
also dude id be surprise if u have any serotonin left in a few years, and you cant just keep taking these new drugs as they come out eventually they get banned and your poor brain wont know weather its on a holiday or weather he can retire! if you get me?
Yeah I feel you. I know serotonin can be a bitch, wish it would regenerate faster. Let's say like 24 hours and you're back to normal! Then we could make the choice to roll everyday or not. lol But I don't think "god" wanted us to roll everyday or else he would of made our serotonin able to grow back faster. Life isn't supposed to be a breeze. We are here to learn things. So rolling is just another learning experience (And a great one I may add, which tripping is also a great learning experience as well) and is not to be abused. Just like anything else, moderation and rolling is one of the safest things you can do in life.(You're more likely to die doing almost any other common activity)
So basically you are correct. I, nor anyone else has enough serotonin to roll every single day of their life. For one point in time, I managed to pull it off bout 20 days out of the month though. I do know some little "Tricks" you can do, even with extreme tolerence situations, to make the roll come on stronger and last longer. There were only several times where I popped a few MDMA pills and didn't feel a thing. This was when I was doing it like 3 or 4 days in a row. By the third day you just don't have enough serotonin left for you to notice any euphoria at all from MDMA. All I got was a headache. (Had some bomb pills too which was sad that I did that, cuz those same pills had me rolling doors like a couple months before I started binging)
But in all honesty, it's not that bad.
Serotonin does regenerate. No matter how much you fry your brain it is always going to grow back. (6-apb although to me felt extremely toxic with the after effects. Only did it a few times and I had already started getting brain zaps like I'd taken a lot of MDMA. But never once did I feel any serotonin rush, empathy or anything else from the 6-apb. But I did feel the trippy and mild rolling effects. Just nowhere near the level of MDA or MDMA like some people say.
I've already fucked my brain all to hell back in the 90's. No way I could (or would) top that experience. So, now it's like I'll roll whenever I can. I may of lost the "magic" but I didnt lose the ability to Roll. I don't roll too often, but I gotta admit the 4-FA can be very addictive on a psychological level because it works wonders for making your day better, and has no bad side effects for me. So I can take it very often with basically none of the bad side effects you'd normally get from MDMA or similiar substances. But I am a pretty smart person (And pretty stupid as well at times) when it comes to drugs so I can control myself. I normally don't roll more than 2 days in a row. Even 2 days in a row is no good cuz you don't get a good roll on the 2nd day. BUT if I wait at least one day in between (Every other day) I am able to achieve a good roll everytime. So while some of you wait 2 weeks or 2 months in between your rolls, I was waiting 2 days. I did this for about 2 years straight(from MDMA), And that never left me fried like the crazy binges I had back in the 90's. But I find 4-FA is so mild I can do it every day for a week, or every other day and have no bad side effects. The key is to quit then, take a break, then come back later. Never abuse the same drug for too long.
My 6-apb is still collecting dust, going to toss it in the garbage soon if I don't do it again. I found the 4-FA/Methylone combo to blow away the 4-FA/6-apb combo anyway so I doubt I'll be doing the 6-apb again anytime soon. Maybe in the future I'll try a different vendor, but now I've found the perfect MDMA replacement, no need to worry about any other drugs.
I really wish you would stop posting in this thread kob. We get it that you believe this material is 'trippy' and isnt 'rolly'.
LOL I wish you would stop posting too.
And as for all others who feel the thread is getting off topic- It's really not. The focus here is 6-apb. But of course no one is forced to read my posts. So if you dont like them I recommend you simply skip over them. I ramble a lot and so of course my posts are going to sway a bit from times. That is the result of what I did to my brain with the MDMA. I guarantee you that I wouldn't be talking(Typing) like this if I was normal. I can go on forever, 1000's of thoughts run through my brain every second it seems like. So I can't keep track of them all.
The reason I am even here in this thread is because I feel that I am helping by giving people who have never tried this drug, a different insight on possible experiences they may have with it. Hopefully someone will take my advice and get 4-FA (instead of 6-APB) and end up having a much better night because of it. A normal person on average is more like to suffer bad side effects from 6-apb than they are from 4-FA. I found this out through obvious research. And I'm certainly not the only one claiming that 6-apb is a trip drug. Many people say that it is. Shit, isnt it even classified as a psychedelic? So no argument here. The argument comes from the people who just wont accept the fact that we have different definitions of words and different qualities of batches. (This can happen with anyone so we are all on the same level here. No one has any definite way to say or prove that their 6-apb will be the same as yours)
Again so there are no arguments, I am getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again. Lmao. My definition of tripping- ANYTHING that even feels like a trip, a mindfuck, like LSD, Shrooms, etc. And that to me, is the complete opposite of rolling. Rolling is so much in a different universe for me, than tripping is, you cannot even compare the two accurately...UNLESS you have someone who has high levels of serotonin already, they are more likely to experience a positive trip. Not the case with me. If I trip, it's almost guaranteed to be negative now a days. This is MOSTLY related to serotonin as I have no serious life issues really that would cause me to have a bad trip, other than liver problems. So no way the two could be compared for me. Even when I enjoyed to trip however I and everyone else I knew who HAD taken GOOD MDMA before, all agreed that rolling from MDMA was far better tripping. And we used to get bomb acid and shrooms too. So that wasnt an issue.
It was (and to me, still is)just common knowledge that Rolling is different than tripping and therefore you can't experience both at the same time, without it being different. Therefore how could 6-apb be anything like MDMA or MDA? Both of those substaces give what I would call a Pure roll. I never tripped off either of those substances. lol I've had clean MDA and to me it feels identical to MDMA just is stronger and lasts longer. I've never tripped from MDA. Candyflipping or Trolling is a different story. You can have good trolls, but in no way is a Troll like a roll. It's more insane and just a totally different experience. But yeah I dont mind trolling, but I do mind tripping. I didnt troll from the 6-apb, not even close really. I basically had a weak and dirty trip (and dirty weak rolling feeling at different points) in each experience.
Oh one final "Argument" from me to try and persuade anyone who is trying to decide between 4-FA and 6-apb-
There is no contest really! 4-FA is the CLEAR winner here and I will outline the points to make it simple.
POINT #1- 4-FA COSTS LESS! good quality 6-apb is supposedly very expensive.
POINT #2- 4-FA can be redosed with less side effects, therefore giving an overall longer "Experience" (I used the word experience, since so many different reports about APB causing you to trip or roll. Bottom line, even if you do enjoy to "Trip" and "Roll" you can enjoy the 4-FA longer)
POINT #3- 4-FA feels more like a pure roll, because it is NOT a psychedelic. (Now this is subjective, but just stating this for those who LIKE ROLLING and NOT tripping)
POINT #4- 4-FA can be combined with other drugs, with likely less side effects than combining 6-apb with other crap. 4-FA/M1 combo feels almost just like pure molly. You won't notice the difference if you do the right dose!
That's it. Those points right there, should tell anyone looking to roll that 4-FA is the obvious choice.
