Ok well I tried 6-apb AGAIN yesterday...this time with only about 80 mg's or less. It kicked in fairly quick as usual (Not sure why it takes some people 2 hours to feel) and it started out good, I did not trip at all. Felt like I was starting to roll...BUT after the first hour, it got lame again and it was pretty much over with and I was sober. I even smoked some weed to bring it back and I was FUCKED UP but it was mostly from the weed. 6-apb is just a lame ass dirty drug, I stand by what I said. It feels identical to piperazines. So if you don't like pipes, stay away from this crap. It's more mellow than pipes though, so if I had to pick i'd chose APB over pipes. But the side effects are identical.
You are starting to piss me off and I'm starting to think that your mental capacities may have actually been attenuated by years of excessive drug use.
First of all, I'm not "defending 6-apb" idiot, I just said in my other post that I wouldn't take 6-apb at a concert. I'm saying that you are coming into this thread making agitated repetitive posts making the same points and we have all heard it by now. I can sum up your position in bullet points very easily:
- You don't like 6-apb
- You don't like tripping
- 6-apb makes you trip, not roll
- 6-apb puts you to sleep
- 4-fa is the best mdma substitute
Yep, I get it, we all get it, so what the f*ck is your problem dude? Why do you feel the need to constantly attack this drug in 59 posts in this thread? You've posted 59 times in this thread, that's more than half your total post count, I think we get it by now. Jesus Christ.
Stop defending the drug then. Stop posting misleading info, because this is a tripping drug. Bottom line. If the user likes to trip go for it, but people SHOULD know this is not a drug to replace MDMA or MDA. Too many misleading reports I want to make sure people arent dissapointed as I was. Get pissed all you want. Go drink your piss while you're at it. lol
And yes, like MDA, 6-APB is also a psychedelic, but unless you dose incredibly high (and even with me only weighing 60kg and having tremendously low tolerances to everything) 250mg did not feel like a trip, but rather like a roll with some visual distortions accompanying it.
I have also been floored by this drug, by the overwhelming euphoria. I find the "being floored" as in not being stimulated enough is more common with 5-APB. Of the people I know who have compared 4-FA and 6-APB, all of them enjoyed both very much, most found 6-APB to be more euphoric over all, but felt safer using 4-FA due to the fact that 6-APB may present similar neurotoxicity to MDMA/MDA, while people speculate that 4-FA would not be dangerously neurotoxic (though I personally take this with a pinch of salt, as most combined Serotonin and Dopamine releasers have this danger.) - I can't speak from experience as I've yet to try 4-FA, though if I get the chance soon I will report back.
It is possible that what you have is indeed 6-APB and you simply react differently than most people to it, but given that you used a source that has been known to mislabel and send out bunk products in the past please test your product before giving people advice regarding the drug. For the majority of people 6-APB is extremely stimulating, my heart rate was 160 BPM on the come down of one particular experience, and someone reading your post about falling asleep on 6-APB could easily think it was not significantly stimulating, add another stimulant to counter that, and end up in hospital.
I understand where you're coming from, and of course when you've had such an experience I understand you feel the need to tell people that others reports do not match up. However the vast majority of recent reports are quite opposite in their effects to what you have reported, and many of these people have at the very least marquis/reagent tested their 6-APB. You have not mentioned doing this, and you sourced from a place with a bad track record, so giving this advice is very dangerous as it's extremely likely what you have is not 6-APB, and your advice could harm people with real 6-APB.
If you are doubting our comments that what you had is unlikely to be 6-APB then please buy a test kit and see for yourself. If you prove us wrong then all the better, I only wish for you to know what you're really taking
I definitely have 6-apb. I know by the smell, color, side effects, etc. It's the real stuff. I am not the only one saying I dont like this stuff. There are many others who say 6-apb is not all that it was cracked up to be. I can see that SOME people will like it. Unfortunately most of the reports sound good, when infact this drug is no better than piperazines. A few reasons why so many positive reports can include, FALSE vendor reports, people who LIKE to trip, people who MISTAKE tripping to be like rolling, etc. These are some of the reasons. But if you dig deep, you'll find people like me who were totally dissapointed in this cuz the reports DO make it seem like a MDA replacement, and it doesn't even come CLOSE to that. If it did I wouldn't be complaining at all. If this stuff made you roll, it wouldnt be collecting dust in my closet. But I did try some again yesterday, this time a much smaller dose, and while I did not trip from it, the euphoria was short lived, and after about an hour it got lame AGAIN as it did all the other times I dosed it. And I just wanted to turn OFF the music. I could never say the same for any Mdxx substance. I always want music when I dose mdma, as it makes it so much better. 6-apb is not the type of drug that music enchances. I even drank a beer with it and that didnt help. Almost any drug out there, I can increase the euphoria by drinking with it...but not 6-apb. So this drug is fairly useless to me. I felt ok for about an hour, and I gave it another chance cuz I figured maybe I had too high of a dose the other times. But even at low doses this drug is lame. One thing it did for me was cure my nausea Ive been experiencing lately. But thats only cuz it causes the shits.
Oh and all sites can mislabel a drug. The site I get from is one of the best sites online, absolutely no doubt about that. I did my research. They have almost 100% positive feedback and I've never had a problem with them. I just dont like dirty trip drugs when I am expecting to roll, that is a huge dissapointment. I'm glad you guys enjoy it though, not knocking you for that (wish I could) so there is no reason to be arguing. IamMe getting so upset, but why? If he would stop coming in to defend the drug I would have no reason to keep responding.
Wow, I'm sorry to have caused so much controversy guys. I just want to pick the best chem for my experience!
I do like to trip-- psychs are my favorite class of drugs. I'm actually not really a stimulant person at all, but I do enjoy MDMA very much. All of these reasons combined have made it very difficult for me to decide. I was also reading that 4-FA is less neurotoxic, but at the same time I don't intend to abuse either of these chems, so I feel like that isn't the most important deciding factor.
6-APB - Music appreciation, euphoria, some trippiness, excellent. But how many of you guys get those negative GI effects? I'm going to be in the woodlands so it's not necessarily where I want to be, well, crapping my brains out. &What's the duration of this chem in general?
4-FA - Also good, euphoric, very cheap from my vendor, lasts a shorter time. Closer to MDMA though?
Axed, no problem ,these people cant handle people that have their own opinions. I think I just read a report from you on Erowid about 4-aco-DMT....Are you female? If so that had to be you, same name. Sounded like a crazy trip! I'd never try that stuff, I hate losing my ego now a days! But yeah you wont mind 6-apb at all if you like to trip. The only part that may bother you is if you get the shits and the dirty feeling. Have you ever done pipes? How do you react to those? If you react OK then go for the 6-apb but if you want a more clean MDMA type roll, get the 4-FA. Or order both and mix them. Ive done that and I rolled better mixing them than I did from the 4-FA on it's own. Also the side effects were not as bad (Go figure?)
I dont get why KoB hasnt already received a warning, or maybe even few days ban - he totally destroyed any purpose of this thread. Last 5 pages or how many are flooded with all his crap about how this is basically "tripping" and not rolling. When we all think he didnt even TAKE 6-apb. Really, this thread is now useless, better just read in Trip Reports about this drug.
Sometimes I think moderators are too tolerant on this board, maybe they all take too much empathogens lol!
Axed - most people report duration of 4-8 hours, sometimes even 10, for me personally its 3-4 hours max. I generally feel most drugs for shorter time than most people though. I dont need higher doses for the same peak effects, but they just seem to leave me sooner.
How am I destroying it by trying to help people see the other side? Oh wait you want BIASED info and dont want any bad info about this nasty drug to be allowed in here?
-snip- No need for abusive language, further attacks on users like this will result in warnings and infractions. ~Jesusgreen
Axed,
4-FA lasts FAR FAR longer for me than 6-apb. 4-FA lasts all night. 6-apb positive effects go away about an hour or two into the trip. Then you are just left with dirtyness and diarhea
I'm done here trying to fight these vendors or psychos who feel the need to defend this drug with their life. I've posted nothing but true information. If you feel the need to come and shoot me down again, fine but I'm done trying to help. I just hope the people who havent tried this drug yet take my warnings seriously because I am not joking. I know everyone reacts differently to all drugs, but I react the same to MDMA and all rolling drugs as any other normal person. I know my shit, I'm probably more experienced than half of you people here. I know my trip drugs and I know my rolling drugs. 6-apb is not a rolling drug. I just want people to know this before they try it. Don't freak out IamMe, its not the end of the world if some people can hear the truth.
