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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread - ver. 3.0

Recently did ~20 mg and, again, it was a mind-blowing experience. Didn't really experience any physical discomfort, except for some teeth-clattering. Again there was little in the way of OEV's, simply because everything was so overshadowed by the intensity of the headspace. You'd close your eyes for a few seconds though, and the mental imagery was stunning. There were pillars and fractals, neon signs, and one truly bizarre scene combining the chemistry of interhalogen compounds with bondage pornography.

There were moments where I was thinking: "Man, what am I doing with my life? Should I be ashamed of the state I am in right now?" But then I put on headphones, and started listening to Susumu Hirasawa, and immediately was like: "HOLY FUCK THIS IS SO GOOD!"

Weirdly enough I didn't experience any excessive paranoia on the comedown. I was talking to a friend (who doesn't do hallucinogens, but doesn't disapprove of me doing them either) online, and was happily discussing my drug-induced revelations (an amalgam of biochemistry factoids and various "woke" feminist epiphanies) with her, which we both found pretty hilarious :D
 
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Nice! Yeah I keep meaning to revisit 2C-E, it's been a LONG time but I hold it in the highest regard, as one of the most powerful psychedelics there is. I can totally relate to everything you said about it/your trip. It's actually really visual for me, extraordinarily so, but I tend to forget about the visuals, unless I'm listening to music with eyes closed in which case it's phenomenal for producing inward vision journeys. It's also possibly the best music/sound enhancer I've ever taken. I remember one time standing in my backyard (in the forest) at night, facing the wall of July night sounds. I could almost see all the sounds coming to me, I felt them physically, and I could pinpoint where every individual tree frog or stick breaking or whatever was coming from, simultaneously. Really astounding stuff. Now I want to promise myself I'll take it this summer. :)
 
2c-E is one of my old time favorites as well. A 30mg dose would rock the fuck out of my world in the most beautiful, eloquent, and extravagant way possible! So many times I remember smoking 018 on it, or DMT, or nitrous, or MXE, or all four of them, and watching the world dissolve around me to create the most fantasical world a human could Imagine! Mescaline, LSD, 2c-E, DMT smoked on the peak, then nitrous inhaled was the closet "fake" state of nirvana I could imagine....! It's so deep as well. Not in a forceful or "this just to extrene" manner, just an "Oh fuck thisss is ammmmmazing!" way! It's why I love it so much! It's actually quite gentle in a mescaline sort of style of you can manage to go with the flow! I've had some of the craziest revalations on it. It's a tie between what healed me most of 2c-E, LSD, DMT but the two that BY FAR did it the most is MXE and good most maternal mother mescaline!
 
So it turns out 2C-E is very good in recreational (rave) settings as well. For some reason I had stereotyped it as a stay-at-home-and-trip-balls type of psychedelic, but it was really good for an all night outdoor dance party at ~10mg. Really smooth, fun, clean psychedelic, great for music appreciation and social setting. I'll be revisiting it in this context for sure.
 
One of my most insane trips was at a rave with 2c-e + mdma. It was a very difficult night I must say, all I could do was sit beside the dance floor watching people dance as a single unit, twisting and morphing into each other like technicolour blobs and fluttering ribbons. A high dose of diazepam did nothing to help me in this situation when it got a bit much, 2c-e cut straight through it!
 
What were your dosages of MDMA and 2C-E? I was thinking they could make a very good pair actually, as long as you kept the doses lower, maybe 10mg of 2C-E and then say 60mg of MDMA like 2-3h in.
 
I once combined 12mg of 2C-E and 200mg of methylone (added the methylone when the 2C-E was established) and I felt like I barely felt the methylone but it made the 2C-E much stronger. it was at a concert and it was anything but recreational, way too overwhelming.
 
What's the potency of 200mg Methylone? Is that something like 100mg of MDMA?

Maybe to make this combo work you'd need to go lighter on the 2C-E side of the balance and heavier on the "molly" side. Like 8mg 2C-E + 80mg MDMA?
 
Yeah similar I guess. methylone is certainly not the same as MDMA, but they are quite similar in many ways.

I find 2C-E very overpowering in general, and neutral in emotional character, so to me it doesn't seem like combining it with an empathogen would work too well but it certainly might.
 
perpetualdawn said:
What were your dosages of MDMA and 2C-E? I was thinking they could make a very good pair actually, as long as you kept the doses lower, maybe 10mg of 2C-E and then say 60mg of MDMA like 2-3h in.
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I think i took between 20 - 30mg 2c-e (too much!) combined with about 250mg of MDMA in 2 separate doses. I really feel like I need to revisit 2c-e sometime soon. I love the stern, straight forward lessons it seems to reveal, a bit like mescaline which is my favourite psychedelic of all time.
 
^ Yeah I totally find it like mescaline too, but more tech and detailed, and less of a challenge to consume. Actually I'm comparing to cacti, never had pure mescaline. At 10mg 2C-E in a social/musical setting was far from stern for me, it was fully recreational, an amazing dancing music appreciation drug. I think it's been overlooked for this kind of purpose, and that it's very versatile, like LSD is.

That sounds like huge doses of both 2C-E and MDMA you took - Im certain I wouldn't be able to handle either on their own at that dosage, let alone combined! But I would like to try 2C-E again at a higher dose, and then at lower in combo with MDMA, like a candy flip.
 
For me, 2C-E is very emotionally neutral and objective, with very strong analytical psychedelia. Whereas mescaline is heart-centered, euphoric and warm and loving, with more of an intuitive sort of mental space. I don't really find them very similar... to me, 2C-E is closer to LSD than mescaline. Although at lower doses that may not be the case, I really haven't tried it in lower doses. Since I have a gram, I should though!
 
Yes you should try it at lower doses, it's great there as a recreational agent, and also as a creative stimulant! I need to do the opposite and explore it at the higher doses.

I find 2C-E heart-centred and euphoric and warm and all that, but not as much in that direction as mescaline. I do find it more objective and a bit analytical, so in that way it leans towards LSD for sure. Most of my 2C-E experience have been at the lower 8-12mg range, so perhaps like you said, it behaves a lot different at low vs. high doses - or maybe it's just plain idiosyncratic. Better conduct the necessary experiments =D
 
I actually never tried it bellow 12 mg because I was led to believe that I would only get a nasty body-load with no positive effects ... how is it at 8 mg? You don't find it nauseating or uncomfortable?
 
No not at all! I've had it a few times now in that kind of range - once at 8mg, and a few times at 10-12mg, and I found them all very worth while and not any nausea or discomfort. Never a heavy trip at all, but a lot stronger than just threshold type stuff that's for sure.

I've also "micro"/threshold dosed it. I find that around 1mg it begins to be slightly noticeable. Strong stuff for sure.

I've had some slight nausea/discomfort with 2C-E once, but it was at 16 or 17mg when I wasn't really ready for the ride and there were some external factors I should have payed attention to.

A while back right before the Canadian 2C-x ban, there was a clear net vendor liquidating pressed pills (shields) of 2C-E and 2C-I each dosed at 10mg. I think of pressed pills as being the package for a more recreational type market, and I think they were spot with this as a recreational dosage ( - at least for 2C-E, I can't speak for 2C-I because I don't really have experience with it).
 
Oh yes, this one's potent for sure. I once had to pull an allnighter at work, and foolishly decided to use 2 mg of 2C-E because I thought it would be basically a stim at that low of a dosage and I was feeling pretty tired already going into this night. Big mistake, I started feeling pretty spacey and kinda anxious, I even got faint, transparent patterning while staring at white surfaces. (I work in a lab, so basically every surface here is white). My pupils also got pretty dilated, so I became even more anxious when people started showing up at work at 8 am. When the principal investigator arrived she came to check how I was doing and I was avoiding eye contact as much as I could. I don't think anyone noticed lol, that was three years ago.

That dose made me feel so uncomfortable I never bothered trying it again at low dosages, that was actually the only time, but my set/setting was probably the worst possible... Sleep deprived and with work to do? Never again.
 
Oh man that's so funny, I tried 2C-E a number of times back in 2005-2008, but then only once since, in 2013, at 2mg. Figured it would be a microdose. But nope, I tripped, albeit not hard at all. But it was making regular interaction with the world difficult and it was overall pretty unpleasant. I, too, was at work, although I work from home, but still had to talk on the phone and stuff.

I've decided I'm gonna try this one again soon, finally. I think I'll go with 10mg, or maybe 12mg. I'm looking forward to it. :) I've grown and changed a whole lot, and my life has changed a whole lot, since I tried this last. It provided one of my early profoundly impacting trips. I've also had some truly incredible experiences with sound and music.
 
I had the same experience as the above two posts. 1-2mg is definitely active, but not nootropic or "just a stimulant." It was a classic PEA underdose, and it was not pleasant.

Low doses, however, were fairly pleasant
 
perpetualdawn said:
^ Yeah I totally find it like mescaline too, but more tech and detailed, and less of a challenge to consume. Actually I'm comparing to cacti, never had pure mescaline. At 10mg 2C-E in a social/musical setting was far from stern for me, it was fully recreational, an amazing dancing music appreciation drug. I think it's been overlooked for this kind of purpose, and that it's very versatile, like LSD is.

That sounds like huge doses of both 2C-E and MDMA you took - Im certain I wouldn't be able to handle either on their own at that dosage, let alone combined! But I would like to try 2C-E again at a higher dose, and then at lower in combo with MDMA, like a candy flip.
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I agree, its easier and more reliable than consuming cacti and they do share similarities. For me its the very obvious lessons which seem to appear through metaphors or humours synchronicities. Just decided to take 12 - 15mg after all this reminiscing... And yes those doses where huge, it was when I was much younger and less careful about drugs in general. I dont regret my ignorant approach to psychedelics early on because thats when I seemed to have the most insane and memorable trips, im just very glad that nbomes werent a thing back then or id more than likely have experimented with using little, if any harm reduction..
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah similar I guess. methylone is certainly not the same as MDMA, but they are quite similar in many ways.

I find 2C-E very overpowering in general, and neutral in emotional character, so to me it doesn't seem like combining it with an empathogen would work too well but it certainly might.
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I am agree on that. 2C-E in my opinion is bad combining with MDMA or anything else. It is perfect by its own. Tryed to take it after MDMA and it was nor good, nor bad experience, nothing close to taking 2C-B while on MDMA.

Taking 2CE with emphatogens didnt give some significant changes. It is lowering comedown of MDMA thought. But I would better trip on 2CE itself then combine it with smth.
 
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