The Benzodiazepine Thread Version 5

[justsayknow]

Maybe get a script and work out a regime with your addiction specialist/GP if you have one and stick to it then don't get any more when its done.
If you get an effect from 2.5mg then that's a nice low level to keep it at. How many times is "A few times"? I try and work out how long it takes to get out of your system and don't use it again while its still present. I think its 3 days for diazepam for me that would mean no more than 2 times a week. I have been using benzos for quite a few years now and have not had any real withdrawal symptoms. That said I can see how it creeps up and how psychological dependence is the real worry. I used two days in a row once and found I had rebound anxiety so I'm not doing that again. Unfortunately I have developed tolerance and do experience poor memory despite never having had a physical dependence.

 

[CosmicG]

I am used to buying the etizolam 1 mg blister pack tablets etilaam but my current vendor has run out and can no longer acquire them. I just purchased 100 mgs of supposedly 99.9 % pure etizolam powder for the first time from a completely different vendor and have been told by many it is an amazing source. He offers solutions as well but the cost is more for less.

My question is is it safe to weigh out my doses on my Gemini-20 or is it better to make a solution? I only take one mg at a time normally and have no experience making solutions.

Also the same vendor described above offers Flubromazolam which to my understanding is a longer acting benzo. Does anyone have any experience? Could it be used as an effective medicine to help me taper off of Efizolam and Alprazolam?

 

[Christ!]

I am used to buying the etizolam 1 mg blister pack tablets etilaam but my current vendor has run out and can no longer acquire them. I just purchased 100 mgs of supposedly 99.9 % pure etizolam powder for the first time from a completely different vendor and have been told by many it is an amazing source. He offers solutions as well but the cost is more for less.

My question is is it safe to weigh out my doses on my Gemini-20 or is it better to make a solution? I only take one mg at a time normally and have no experience making solutions.

Also the same vendor described above offers Flubromazolam which to my understanding is a longer acting benzo. Does anyone have any experience? Could it be used as an effective medicine to help me taper off of Efizolam and Alprazolam?

Hey mate. You need to make a solution. Those scales are good but not consistent with such small amounts.

You want to get some Propylene glycol to dissolve it in. I've always done 1ml = 1mg. It does take some patience but it dissolves with stirring and very gentle heat (lowest setting on electric stove for short time or maybe short bursts in microwave) Much better than doing it in alcohol imo. The 1mg per ml means it's hard to make mistakes if you use a 1ml syringe - plus I'm not big on the taste so that's a slight deterrent on taking too much (just tastes very sweet, the stuff is in lots of foods so it's safe) I'd wear a dust mask and latex gloves just to be safe...and make sure the area you work is contained and you clean it well afterwards. Label the bottle properly and store out of reach somewhere secure.

You can get the PG online from ebay or maybe an e-cigarette place like vapeking. It's not expensive. Think I'm OK sharing where to buy since it's purely HR.

Flubromazolam I don't know much about. Don't think it's been studied very closely. Diazepam is the gold standard for tapering off benzos and it's awesome for this purpose.

 

[the_ketaman]

Im surprised you guys think that clonaz is so much like alcohol! I love it and find it nothing like alcohol but I must say, one time I was on quite a bit of rivotril 2mg(clonazepam) and apparently fell asleep and walked around a sketchy neighbourhood for half an hour then came back, sat in the same chair and woke up. After I woke up the people I was with said that one second I was asleep then I just walked out the door without saying anything. I had absolutely no memory whatsoever of leaving that house. That scared me pretty bad. I don't take silly doses of benzos anymore.

Usually ill have 2mg clonazepam sublingually about half an hour before I have a shot of ice(I get butterflies before the shot which cause me to vomit when the meth hits me, then if its a strong shot I sometimes panic pretty bad and the benzo eliminates all that) Im also able to smoke pot while im frying which is something that would cause an instant panic attack if I just had meth, no benzo. Then when im well and truly down ill have 4-6mg to really feel the muscle relaxation and the instant stress relief.

EDIT: Etizolam is the goods, I love the stuff but from what ive read about the way it affects your brain and how the wd's work I wouldn't be buying too much. I got 10x 2mg pellets about a year ago and everyone that tried them thought they were way better than Xanax and really euphoric.

This time though I had 3mg of Xanax this morning before the meth and now im eyeing off 4mg of xanax sitting on my desk but im still pretty wired so I think ill wait a few hours.

 

[Crankinit]

^ Thing about clonazepam is that it's very subtle, it takes either a concerted effort at introspection or a very high dose to notice that you're fucked up, even when you're blacked out or past blacked out. I've had times where I've taken it in stupid high doses, blacked out, felt fine 24 - 36 hours later, taken another downer at a low dose and instantly blacked out/passed out again. I even passed out from a CWE once due to this effect - if I'd had access to a stronger opiate that morning, I would have ended up in the ER. It can be dangerous that way. Combined with the half life it's a recipe for blackout disasters, but it is nice if you can be careful to avoid binging on it.

That said xanax is the only benzo I've found that I'd call remotely "recreational," it gives that real "punched in the stomach with relaxation" sensation, which I've never gotten from another benzo. The rest only feel good insofar as they remove the tension/anxiety which was making you feel less good.

Even then I wouldn't compare it to alcohol. Only drugs I've taken which felt anything like alcohol are GHB/GBL/14b (way more euphoric and way less side effects) and etaqualone (the physical symptoms of booze, stumbling, slurring words, etc. but none of the psychological stuff except for feeling drowsy and fuzzy).

 

[Jabberwocky]

So recently I've found the benzo of all benzos. Nothing compares. It is incredible. Clonazolam. 1mg of this stuff will have you absolutely anxiety free, euphoric. It isn't particularly sedative but I can't really comment as I've never really found benzos as a sedative they've usually given me more energy. Clonazolam lasts around 10 hours, and the only downside I can find is that it can be a little amnesic. Sticking to 1mg every 8-12 hours I've found is the sweet spot and tolerance doesn't seem to come into play or make it any less weaker (taken over 13 days consecutively before jumping back off them again for a break). Words cannot explain how much better than anything else this stuff is. I've had alprazolam, lorazepam, clonazepam, temazepam, diazepam, nitrazepam, flubromazolam, flubromazopam, diclazepam, nifoxipam, flunitrazepam and none of them compare to this. If you can get a hold of some legit clonazolam do yourself a favour and get it. You will understand what I mean. This needs to be produced professionally and by a legit pharmaceutical company it is the holy grail on benzos.

 

[Crankinit]

It just sounds like clonazepam to me - could you expand on the differences?

 

[lesnar729]

In the past week I have taken Temazepam every day at a low dose (15 mgs) for insomnia. I am prescribed then but rarely abuse them unless I am loaded up on stims. I have clonazolam and two grams of isopropylphenidate in the mail anThey should arrive about the same time as my next refill.so it looks like I'm going to binge and manage the crash with the clonazolam and Temazepam.

 

[Crankinit]

In the past week I have taken Temazepam every day at a low dose (15 mgs) for insomnia. I am prescribed then but rarely abuse them unless I am loaded up on stims. I have clonazolam and two grams of isopropylphenidate in the mail anThey should arrive about the same time as my next refill.so it looks like I'm going to binge and manage the crash with the clonazolam and Temazepam.

That doesn't sound particularly healthy man.

Clonazepam gets me in a 'drunk state' and gives me a subtle euphoria and some slight amnesia. This is a cleaner feeling with a MUCH larger euphoria and around the same amnesia. Where it excels past clonazepam is just how clear your head is. There's much less benzo fog and I found my speech increased etc as opposed to slurring my words. I did have one spell where I had 6mg at once and blacked out for a few hours but reports from friends said I was pretty much normal and they couldn't tell I was blacked out. Just played some video games and talked shit with them. Needless to say I haven't bothered looking for another benzo since i've found it and it is extremely cheap.

Interesting, but I still prefer the classics. If I had my way I'd take ativan during the day, valium at night and keep a few xanax on hand for the really edgy moments, but as it is I'm stuck with valium (and pretty grateful to have it). Probably for the best that I don't have my favourites, since it means I try to minimize my dose to avoid the drowsiness/memory problems that valium brings on.

 

[Crankinit]

I guess everyone is different - I found ativan to be extremely functional and not at all sedating, and that was with I think 2.5mg pills I'd take one or two of at a time, generally on top of I think 4mg clonazepam a day (it was a blurry period of my life ). I liked that despite being very functional, I could gauge how influenced I was by it very easily compared to clonaz.

No idea what the urine test thing is about hey. Weird.

 

[justsayknow]

Lorazepam (Ativan) is functional and not sedating but it fucks with your memory way worse than a lot of others in my opinion. Maybe because the effects are subtle and you can easily take to much. Great for anxiety but it definitely isn't optimal for me.

 

[Crankinit]

See I had the opposite experience with memory as well. That's why I loved it so much, it killed anxiety brilliantly but didn't mess with anything else much. But again, everyone is different etc.

 

[infectedmushroom]

Let's rate our favourite benzos in order and then say why! Yay!

1. Alprazolam. The crack cocaine of benzos. Hits fast and hard and for me completely obliterates any anxiety. It's very morish though, and some of the dumbest things I've ever done on any drug have been on Xanax. That being said, there's something so beautiful about just looking at those the bars. I drool when I reminisce about them and curse the rescheduling.

2. Valium. Lasts for ages, is more subtle than other benzos, but is a well rounded drug ticking the main five boxes benzos are meant to have. Good anti-anxiety, muscle relaxant, and complimenter to a number of other substances.

3. Lorazepam. Don't get this one much, but when I do, it's a treat.

4. Clonazepam. Supposedly equipotent roughly to alprazolam mg for mg, the main effect I get is amnesia, and relatively satisfying anxiolysis.

5. Temazepam. Bottom of my list because I need so many to get a nice affect by then it's hypnotic and amnesiac properties take over.

I haven't treid etizolam, nitrazepam, or any other benzos quite yet.

 

[Crankinit]

Of the benzos I've tried:

1 - Lorazepam. Very smooth anxiety relief which kicks in very fast, minimal sedation or amnesia so it's very functional, but unlike clonazepam or alprazolam it's easy to gauge the level of effect. If it lasted longer, or came in an XR formulation, it would be my perfect functional benzo.

2) Alprazolam. Cause it kills panic attacks dead, cause it makes your muscles melt, kicks in incredibly fast and is juuuuust sedating enough. The closest thing you'll get to euphoria from a benzo - it's just plain nice to pop a bar or two and relax, although it's very hard to gauge level of intoxication, which can be problematic (I had no idea how fucked up I appeared when I was buying bottles of the stuff at a time until people started telling me I was slurring my words, bumping into walls, etc), and if you overdo it the amnesia is very strong.

3) Clonazepam. This is a love/hate thing. There was a time when I loved them - their minty taste under the tongue, the nice all day combination of mental and physical relaxation without any sedation. Then there was a time I hated them, it was even harder to gauge the level of intoxication than xanax, meaning I'd frequently black out - not a good thing for a drug which lasts 12 hours or so. I had some horrible, horrible experiences due to clonazepam blackouts (the kind where you remember just enough that you're actually glad you don't remember the rest), on top of a lost phone and thousands of dollars of drugs either lost or wasted because I consumed them while so strongly under the influence of the clonazepam that they had no effect.

4) - Diazepam. Jack of all trades, master of blehh. It lasts longer than ativan but still not long enough that I can get a full nights sleep without doubling up my nighttime dose, it kills anxiety, but also my verbal memory and short term recall, and it's a bit too sedating, all of which means I take it because I need something to counter anxiety, but I take the smallest dose possible for any given situation, often preferring a little more anxiety over the fatigue and amnesia of valium.

5) - Nitrazepam. This stuff sucks. Hard. To the point where I stopped taking it because I preferred dealing with insomnia to taking a benzo which made me zonked out enough to end up lying in bed unable to do anything, without actually increasing the speed at which I went to sleep. Then I'd wake up and feel like a zombie for the first 3 or 4 hours of the day. No muscle relaxation, no anxiolysis.

That list seems shorter than it should be, I feel like I'm missing one or two...

 

[justsayknow]

See I had the opposite experience with memory as well. That's why I loved it so much, it killed anxiety brilliantly but didn't mess with anything else much. But again, everyone is different etc.

Could be dose related. If I could have kept it at 2mg of Lorazepam it would probably be fine but I kept redosing with a second 2mg at which point things became hazy.

I couldn't really rate the benzos I prefer as they are all very similar. I like Diazepam and Temazepam just fine and they are the two most regularly prescribed ones. Alprazolam is ok but its duration is a bit too short. Nitrazepam is great for sleep. Midazolam is even better for sleep but the amnesia it induces is fucking scary. Clonazepam is nice and subtle but I seem to remember you have to plan your doses due to onset time. Oxazepam even more so with slow onset and its duration is also poor so this would be my least favourite. Phenazepam seemed ok but I do not have enough experience or a pure sample to judge it by.

 

[Crankinit]

Yeah those split yellow pills which dissolve like sugar cubes are just made for redosing.

 

[infectedmushroom]

Crankinit have you tried temazepam? Whaddya reckon?

EDIT: I want to add Zolpidem (Ambien) to my list although not strictly a benzo, still a Z-drug.

I loved snorting 12.5-25mg of the stuff...it's been too long to detail the effects but I remember a distinct euphoria and other nice effects.

 

[Crankinit]

Crankinit have you tried temazepam? Whaddya reckon?

Nope. I've just never come across it, and given that it's a hypnotic like nitrazepam, I never went out of my way to seek it out.

On the flip side, I know a lot of people like it and that there have been big issues with abuse in some parts of the world, so obviously it has some appeal.

 

[infectedmushroom]

Nope. I've just never come across it, and given that it's a hypnotic like nitrazepam, I never went out of my way to seek it out.

On the flip side, I know a lot of people like it and that there have been big issues with abuse in some parts of the world, so obviously it has some appeal.

Yes, I've read in some parts they crush them up and shoot them IV with heroin for a heavier nod.

Very dangerous, obviously.

They are quite hypnotic, and are mostly prescribed for insomnia. For this, I can confirm they work well...but then again so do all benzos really.

 

[Crankinit]

I find the anxiolytic benzos better for sleep than the hypnotics, honestly. The hypnotics make me physically sedated but do nothing mentally, so I end up lying in bed staring at the roof while thoughts bounce around in my head. The anxyiolytics make me relax and just drift off naturally.