Seattle_Stranger
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Just a topic for discussion. I'm just wondering if I'm alone feeling this way. I hope not!
If you want the short version, basically I'm asking your opinion on the euphoric state achieved via psychedelics vs the euphoria induced by an amphetamine such as MDMA or MDA, and also your opinion on the overall reward/result of both kinds of drugs.
I've tripped on 2C's before, and absolutely loved them but didn't like the bad side effects like anxiety, body load, jitteryness, etc.. I took shrooms for the first time this weekend with a few friends, and I found it to be everything the 2C's were, but without any of the bad side effects! It started out where 4 friends and I drank ~3g worth of tea each, and for the first hour we all felt nothing but stoned, tired, slight color enhancement, slight pattern movement on the wood floor, but nothing impressive. After a while, I grab a friend and bring him to my room, we turn on some cool lights, put on awesome trip hop music and we loaded a bowl of good cannabis. We smoked, chilled, talked, listened to the music, and it wasn't long until I said "Dude, I honestly feel easily as good as rolling just without the energy push!" He agreed. We've both rolled several times already, granted we aren't super experienced but we have rolled enough to know what's up. We weighed it out like this:
I hope no one is getting me wrong, I love, love, love, love, love, LOVE me some MDMA. If it comes down to which drug actually FEELS better, MDMA wins hands down obviously. However, when I weigh out all factors, the drug itself, the experience, the side effects, the after effects, neuro-toxicity, the "unknown" factors, and even stigma, I feel like mushrooms take the flag. Here's an analogy I came up with when trying to explain the difference to a friend:
Pretend you are an infant. You cry and cry and cry, so your mom comes, picks you up, holds you close, speaks softly to you, and makes everything perfect. Then after about 4 hours, she literally drops you back into your crib. That's MDMA.
Now take that same scenario, but instead your mother teaches you, in a way you never thought possible, to comfort yourself and reach that same comfort point on your own. It might not be as easy, it might not be as instantaneous or as intense of a comfort as if she had just picked you up, however knowing that you are making yourself happy and comfortable somehow makes you feel even better...and unless you drop yourself, you don't need to worry about your comfort zone being ripped away from you.
Yes I was very stoned when I came up with that.
But anyway, I'm interested in anyone feels this way too? I know I'd probably get different answers if I posted this exact same thing in ED, but I'm more interested in what the psychedelic crowd has to say. There's much more to learn from people who are happy from within.
Thanks to everyone in advance!!
If you want the short version, basically I'm asking your opinion on the euphoric state achieved via psychedelics vs the euphoria induced by an amphetamine such as MDMA or MDA, and also your opinion on the overall reward/result of both kinds of drugs.
I've tripped on 2C's before, and absolutely loved them but didn't like the bad side effects like anxiety, body load, jitteryness, etc.. I took shrooms for the first time this weekend with a few friends, and I found it to be everything the 2C's were, but without any of the bad side effects! It started out where 4 friends and I drank ~3g worth of tea each, and for the first hour we all felt nothing but stoned, tired, slight color enhancement, slight pattern movement on the wood floor, but nothing impressive. After a while, I grab a friend and bring him to my room, we turn on some cool lights, put on awesome trip hop music and we loaded a bowl of good cannabis. We smoked, chilled, talked, listened to the music, and it wasn't long until I said "Dude, I honestly feel easily as good as rolling just without the energy push!" He agreed. We've both rolled several times already, granted we aren't super experienced but we have rolled enough to know what's up. We weighed it out like this:
- It's well known that shrooms are FAR less neurotoxic than MDMA, if at all.
- This euphoria we were feeling was self-induced, it felt like it was coming from the inside. MDMA simply 'forces' you into euphoria.
- Shrooms are natural, just like the weed we smoked. MDMA is a synthetic, cooked up in some illegitamate lab and cut with unknown other substances
- MDMA always makes me feel like "It sucks I'll never feel this happy without drugs". The shrooms actually made me feel like I found new ways to be this happy even without drugs...and it worked. Two days later I still feel like the smile hasn't left my face.
- There's something about visuals that are incredibly euphoric to me. I see something warp around with crawling color patterns on it and I start giggle my head off like a girl. MDMA's visuals obviously don't even come close, and while rolling I actually always find myself wishing it was more visual.
- MDMA always leaves you wanting/needing more, while on shrooms I felt perfectly high, no need for any more or any less. I asked my friend "If I gave you more tea, would you feel any better or higher?" He said no. I then asked "If you were rolling and I offered you another hit, would you take it?" He said yes. I felt the same. Point being: If I'm on a drug, and I constantly want more of it, that's bad.
- On MDMA, I feel like my brain is melting and being fried. On shrooms, I felt like my brain was being opened, freed, and rebuilt.
- Shrooms made me feel so good about myself, so confident, and brought forward positive feelings about myself. It made me look inside and I liked what I saw, I saw a good person and that made me incredibly euphoric and has left a lasting impression of self esteem long after the drugs have worn off. MDMA just makes me love everything for no good reason, makes me feel invincible, while at the same time reminding me "You're not actually this cool, remember, you're rolling."
- As far as come downs are concerned, MDMA has probably the worst come down ever. Life feels empty, boring, annoying, tiring , and all I can think about is how I wish I was still high, and how I'm destroying myself with these drugs. Shrooms had a very nice, easy float back down to Earth leaving me with a feeling of enlightenment.
- The day after rolling sucks, I feel completely drained of energy, still wishing I was high, still thinking that I'm ruining my brain, and feeling like sober life just sucks. The day after shrooms I woke up for work just fine, went to work feeling a sort of afterglow, limbs still felt kinda heavy which kept making me giggle, and that feeling of enlightenment still has not gone away.
- Last but not least, I didn't chew my gums to peices while I was high. The day after I roll my jaw feels like it's going to fall off due to the teeth clenching. There was some slight jaw clench going on with the shrooms, but no more than I normally do it, and no where near as much while rolling.
I hope no one is getting me wrong, I love, love, love, love, love, LOVE me some MDMA. If it comes down to which drug actually FEELS better, MDMA wins hands down obviously. However, when I weigh out all factors, the drug itself, the experience, the side effects, the after effects, neuro-toxicity, the "unknown" factors, and even stigma, I feel like mushrooms take the flag. Here's an analogy I came up with when trying to explain the difference to a friend:
Pretend you are an infant. You cry and cry and cry, so your mom comes, picks you up, holds you close, speaks softly to you, and makes everything perfect. Then after about 4 hours, she literally drops you back into your crib. That's MDMA.
Now take that same scenario, but instead your mother teaches you, in a way you never thought possible, to comfort yourself and reach that same comfort point on your own. It might not be as easy, it might not be as instantaneous or as intense of a comfort as if she had just picked you up, however knowing that you are making yourself happy and comfortable somehow makes you feel even better...and unless you drop yourself, you don't need to worry about your comfort zone being ripped away from you.
Yes I was very stoned when I came up with that.
But anyway, I'm interested in anyone feels this way too? I know I'd probably get different answers if I posted this exact same thing in ED, but I'm more interested in what the psychedelic crowd has to say. There's much more to learn from people who are happy from within.Thanks to everyone in advance!!
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