Phenibut

[Tryptamite]

Is using 3gs once a day for 3 days in a row ok with phenibut. I dont recall having a problem with it in the past.

Obviously i will abstaiin for a few days before using again.
I find it makes going out much more fun. I usysally loathe socialising if i just hqve alcohol (pretty fucked up i know) but with phenibut i enjoy it much like i used to enjoy it on gbl. Also goes great with cocaine.
I have just been using and wqndering the streets for the last few days. I literally do not hqve 5e to my name. I have subutex but cannot afford valium. I even shoplifted my lunch lol. I am becoming quite bitter about my situation and wish there were more victimless crimes to earn me money.

 

[Shambles]

Short-term use doesn't seem to cause any problems for anybody so 3 fer 3 sounds dandy to me, Trypt. I wouldn't go beyond three days again myself but does seem to be wild variation in terms of dependency issues.

I wonder how much of all this variation comes down to quality. I always used one specific source (until they disappeared) and always required very low doses compared to the vast majority I see here, and also got horrendously dependent within a very short time period. I've used phenibut from alternate sources once or twice and found my dosage more than quadrupled and I barely had a fraction of the dependency concerns.

 

[rolls_]

Just going to jump in and say I've been on about 1-2g daily of phenibut for almost 2 years now, I never dose more than 2g and most days are much closer to 1g, I still get a buzz off 2g, anymore and I just get horrible hangovers the next day, 1g is great to treat social anxiety and sleep issues.

I genuinely do not want to increase my dose beyond this which is odd, normally most drugs I would not be capable of this regime but it seems to have affected my life in a purely positive way.

Has anyone else successfully treated themselves long term with phenibut with no issues?

 

[tunesey]

just started with phenibut

Just going to jump in and say I've been on about 1-2g daily of phenibut for almost 2 years now, I never dose more than 2g and most days are much closer to 1g, I still get a buzz off 2g, anymore and I just get horrible hangovers the next day, 1g is great to treat social anxiety and sleep issues.

I genuinely do not want to increase my dose beyond this which is odd, normally most drugs I would not be capable of this regime but it seems to have affected my life in a purely positive way.

Has anyone else successfully treated themselves long term with phenibut with no issues?

I dont think you could stay on this although I quite like it. And have re named it Astronaut powder as the first time I took it two hours went by and I was as sharp a tick mentally. We have a program in the UK called countdown and on the letters game they pick randomly 9 letters and some vowels and make words out of them. I was getting 6 7 and an 8 letter words after a tea spoon of this stuff and some incredible sleep. When I go to sleep I kip on my left side I must not have moved a muscle all night 10pm untill 7am my left arm always hangs over the bed and I awoke with a sore elbow joint and a bed sore on it so I must have not moved all night.

I read on Wikipedia that Cosmonauts took it in their medical kits in the 1960s on soyez missions to relieve stress and help sleep on small doses

I received a 5mil scoop so I eyed the gram I used to rave alot in the early ninety's and always had a gram of billy and 2 Es. The reason I dont think this is a stable substance to stay on as I over did it 2 nights ago I took 3 tea spoons and after the second one my judgement was impaired so much I was wobbling all over the place had a can of cider I dont drink my misses had a go at me and started to fire verbal bullets at me as I used to drink like a fish bordering on the Alcoholic. I was not having any of this one drink I was thirsty and it was left over from my sons 18 birthday.

To cut a long story short the third teaspoon I had was heaped. Had an argument with the misses and went down the shop and purchased a bottle of my fave single malt whiskey. Drank half of it and wasn't really effected until bedtime I was stumbling all over the place. Got into bed slept all night pissed the bed layed in it for an hour thinking it was sweat. went down stairs my head was battered still wobbling all over the place but this time felt I was having the worst stim comedown off all time I just went back to bed. Took 4 8mg Flubromazepam and dreamed the day away lucid dreams very lucid dreams. I was one of the characters in the simpsons. I awoke from this dream and the telly was on in double vision my eyes were all over the place and I was convinced the telly was still part of the dream I was having although I was awake it was like one dream merging into a waking one it was a nice dream. I was Lenny from the Simpsons deciding to eat Dartmoor pony sausages yet I was sure I was awake I know I was.

 

[Treacle]

I don't find it useful for long-term, or even really short-term use. That's probably because I end up battering it, though, and it just makes me feel shit, afterwards. The withdrawals are brutal, and I've spent five days in agony, in the past. It's almost identical to GHB/GBL withdrawals, except you can use phenibut to come off G. There's no real relief for phenibut withdrawals, except taking low doses throughout, as to not downregulate any more GABA-b receptors. When I initially start taking it, I get a lot of the effects of G; I'm more social, less anxious, more thoughtful, etc. It also makes my sex life much better. It can also make me emotional, and angry... I find baclofen a lot better for longer term use. It hits the same receptors, and it's not quite as brutal, when it comes to tolerance and withdrawals.

I had the dream thing, quite recently. I was dreaming, but the TV became part of the dream. The same happened with music, when I went to sleep with earphones in. The dreams were extremely vivid. Again, like G, but without the sleep paralysis.

 

[tunesey]

cheers Treacle for the quick reply. I read the entire thread on this substance. How many 5ml scoops = 1 gram I dont want to end up having a two day head smash like yesterday just want it really for anxiety relief. you seem to be the know how on this substance. The first time I had this was great not much head mash the next day. I dont rekon its a good idea to mix with booze. I remember one of your posts phenibut+ benzos = death or at least I think it was yours. Are their any remedies on the RC market or do you need to see a doc for a script. dont want a day like yesterday.

 

[Hangover]

Took 1g of phenibut now... a little help for my comedown.. did some mephedrone at work before, phenibut is really subtle.. but I love it

 

[kingme]

it is surprising to me how this is still considered by some a nootropic...

its too powerful for its own good if you ask me. too long lasting too and a bit unpredictable (for me at least).
small doses indeed you may barely feel, yes, but get over a certain point and it s just as powerful as g can be, only it lasts longer and ime screws one up a bit more.

 

[spudgun]

This stuff caused me bad insomnia and copious puking through constant dosing when I had a tub of it a few years back - probably by trying to eek a G like buzz out of an unsuitable substance.

I chucked it after a week, which was a good thing from the sound of things (I had G WDs after hammering that for a while. Luckily it only lasted a day after stopping dead, but it precipitated a panic attack which was probably the single most terrifying experience of my life).

 

[tunesey]

Panic attacks are no fun are they I had one yesterday from nasal spray of all substances only had a little in the bottle of otrivine so turned the bottle upside down and tilted my head back and sprayed away. snorted up a good gram of the stuff up my nose. sent my pulse racing my head swimming heart going like the the clappers timed it at 150 bpm. so googled nasel spray and its a notorious stuff for anxiety when you know what's causing the panic attack It can ease your symptoms somewhat anyone know if cortisol can interact with phenibut just keeping on thread here

 

[Shambles]

The withdrawals are brutal, and I've spent five days in agony, in the past. It's almost identical to GHB/GBL withdrawals, except you can use phenibut to come off G. There's no real relief for phenibut withdrawals, except taking low doses throughout, as to not downregulate any more GABA-b receptors.

I agree on the former but not the latter. I've never experienced any problems with even extreme GBL/GHB (ab)use but phenibut utterly destroyed me even with relatively short (ab)use. I couldn't taper down beyond a certain point despite repeated attempts. GBL was my saviour. Used it to taper down with nary a bump. YMMV as with all things.

 

[thewhitebuilding]

Has been less than 4 weeks of normally daily dosage. The last week I've only been doing 1 250mg a day, with the odd gap day. Have I skirted the woods?

 

[Shambles]

I'd imagine most would say you have. For me 250mg was the point I could not go below. Can't recall how long I used for but wasn't all that long and never went very high. Stuff is unpredictable in my opinion. Tread carefully would be the rest of my opinion.

 

[St3ve]

Is phenibut sedating enough to help you get to sleep on a stimulant comedown? Usually 2mg of etizolam will do the trick for me but I'm looking into maybe switching to phenibut if it is effective as it'd cost less...

 

[Shambles]

I find it intensely stimulating. Can't imagine how anybody could ever sleep on it aside from KOing themselves GBL stylee. It tends to intensify the effects of stimulants quite significantly in my experience.

 

[kingme]

I find it intensely stimulating. Can't imagine how anybody could ever sleep on it aside from KOing themselves GBL stylee. It tends to intensify the effects of stimulants quite significantly in my experience.

i find it sedating really. can get a good sleep on it.
to be honest to me it was always very much like alcohol. and though not always inteded as such, ended up serving the same purpose.

 

[St3ve]

So it's hard to say what effects I will get from it without trying for myself it seems... I had a look around after your post Shambles as I found it odd you experience stimulating effects, apparently GABA B activation leads to increased dopamine release, which would amplify the effects of stimulants. Other reports seem to say that it combines well with stimulants as the phenibut will take the edge off and in a way improve the high. Might still be nice to take on a stim comedown then as it'd partially bring you back up, while at the same time help you get to sleep a few hours later. I'll probably order some in the near future then .

 

[zeromester]

Hi

I'm completely new to taking anything other than alcohol. Never even tried weed, smoking or anything similar or stronger, I don't take any medicin beside paracetomol if hangover . I really want to find a girlfriend and anxiety stops me from doing that. I am shy, but I do manage to walk up to girls if I am pushed to do it. I'm also worried about what other people thinks and always judging myself.

Since this may help other people from getting to sick, I will share my experience here.

12:00 Phenibut 500mg
14:25 1000 mg
20:10 1200mg
21:40 1000 mg

In total about 3,7 gram! I had in advance decided to only take max 1.5g....

Starting with 500mg (I had one small breakfast, just a piece of bread) with tea (double green tea) and didn't feel anything. Didn't feel social at all. I was disappointed. Took another doze 2 hours and 25 minutes later, orange juice, 1 gram. Didn't feel anything except a very small dizzy feeling after about two hours and I went out to get a package. Felt a little bit brave, but not any big social gain.

Waited until 8 and took 1,2 gram, along with a energy drink. Didn't feed any more social, but I did feel ligther, dancing just a little to myself, but nothing major . So at night, 2 hours later, I took the final dose of 1 g with two energy drinks. I began to feel the music was just a little bit better, but not as great as explained on gll-forum.

When I went out on the bus at 23:00 with music on my ear, I suddenly felt great! Just standing up and walking with music on my ear activated something in my. I felt really relaxed and I was moving my head to the music as I sat down. I met eyes. A girl sat next to me, even though there was available seats around me. I noticed that I just felt no fear and I was really, really moved by the feeling of greatness! I was so lucky, I could never explain it! Even when thinking about it now, I think of it as the greatest moment in my life, I could do almost anything. It removed 70% of my fear, so it helped a lot.

One thing I was in fear of, is that I would do silly things and say stupid comments. But I still felt sharp and I could still appear normal.

In short, I had a great night!

When going to sleep around 04, I still felt good. But when I waked up.. the worst hangover ever. Even worse than when I'm hangover on alcohol. Headache and tiredness. Real dizzyness. Even when I slept to 8 o clock in the night, I felt tired and dizzy. Now it is 1 o clock in the night and still tired/dizzy/headache....

So I think I have learned, not to take so much as I did.. I hope that a lower dose, just hours before I go out, would give same benefit.

I didn't feel the taste bad at all when using orange juice. Did notice it a bit with battery, but that is because I used little and battery tastes bad in itself.

My conclusion is that Phenibut is 1000 better than alcohol that same day, but also 1000 worse the next day. My plan was to go out for second time today, but no chance in hell.. I usually get very bad/ill from alcohol, but this one...

 

[RDP89]

Hi

I'm completely new to taking anything other than alcohol. Never even tried weed, smoking or anything similar or stronger, I don't take any medicin beside paracetomol if hangover . I really want to find a girlfriend and anxiety stops me from doing that. I am shy, but I do manage to walk up to girls if I am pushed to do it. I'm also worried about what other people thinks and always judging myself.

Since this may help other people from getting to sick, I will share my experience here.

12:00 Phenibut 500mg
14:25 1000 mg
20:10 1200mg
21:40 1000 mg

In total about 3,7 gram! I had in advance decided to only take max 1.5g....

Starting with 500mg (I had one small breakfast, just a piece of bread) with tea (double green tea) and didn't feel anything. Didn't feel social at all. I was disappointed. Took another doze 2 hours and 25 minutes later, orange juice, 1 gram. Didn't feel anything except a very small dizzy feeling after about two hours and I went out to get a package. Felt a little bit brave, but not any big social gain.

Waited until 8 and took 1,2 gram, along with a energy drink. Didn't feed any more social, but I did feel ligther, dancing just a little to myself, but nothing major . So at night, 2 hours later, I took the final dose of 1 g with two energy drinks. I began to feel the music was just a little bit better, but not as great as explained on gll-forum.

When I went out on the bus at 23:00 with music on my ear, I suddenly felt great! Just standing up and walking with music on my ear activated something in my. I felt really relaxed and I was moving my head to the music as I sat down. I met eyes. A girl sat next to me, even though there was available seats around me. I noticed that I just felt no fear and I was really, really moved by the feeling of greatness! I was so lucky, I could never explain it! Even when thinking about it now, I think of it as the greatest moment in my life, I could do almost anything. It removed 70% of my fear, so it helped a lot.

One thing I was in fear of, is that I would do silly things and say stupid comments. But I still felt sharp and I could still appear normal.

In short, I had a great night!

When going to sleep around 04, I still felt good. But when I waked up.. the worst hangover ever. Even worse than when I'm hangover on alcohol. Headache and tiredness. Real dizzyness. Even when I slept to 8 o clock in the night, I felt tired and dizzy. Now it is 1 o clock in the night and still tired/dizzy/headache....

So I think I have learned, not to take so much as I did.. I hope that a lower dose, just hours before I go out, would give same benefit.

I didn't feel the taste bad at all when using orange juice. Did notice it a bit with battery, but that is because I used little and battery tastes bad in itself.

My conclusion is that Phenibut is 1000 better than alcohol that same day, but also 1000 worse the next day. My plan was to go out for second time today, but no chance in hell.. I usually get very bad/ill from alcohol, but this one...

Yeah, you overdid it. I did the same thing my first time, redosing multiple times because I didn't feel it yet. It got me quite ill. It takes a long time to kick in, as I'm sure you're aware now. 2-3 hours for me. Since then I dose 1-2 grams, never going over 2, and I enjoy the subtle relaxtion/anti-anxiety/sociability effects. It can give some decent rebound anxiety and tolerance builds quickly. Ive heard the w.d.'s can be horrible also and Im not goin there. Taking all that into consideration, I use it pretty infrequently, and I'm pretty happy with it. It gives me gas though, don't know what that's all about lol.

 

[zeromester]

From my dose at 14:25, it took 5 hours before working. So I was thinking that it would never work, since it is supposed to kick in after 2-3 hours as most reported. For me, it might just take more hours or there was some fighting from my system. Will try again now, after one day off. But only one dose at 1-1.5g this time, no matter what I feel.