Gabapentinoids Phenibut Megathread
- Thread starter Znegative
- Start date
Cyanoide
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Apr 22, 2011
- Messages
- 1,398
Does Phenibut have convulsant effects? GABAB receptor agonists are not anticonvulsants. I tried to use Phenibut to ease benzo WD a few years ago, but Phenibut actually triggered almost seizures, and was of no use for helping GABAA WD. It made the WD much worse.
FlawedByDesign
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2009
- Messages
- 1,894
^That's no good. I have some arriving today for etizolam/suboxone w/d. I think I'm going to give it a try as I am through the bulk of my w/d. Just terrible rebound insomnia and brain zaps anytime I come close to sleeping. That is strange though as I was just passing time not being able to sleep this morning reading the phenibut thread on the shroomery and someone said that phenibut is still prescribed outside Russia in doses up to 5 grams a day for alcoholism which would be gabaB, (or A, been up forever and my memory is failing) correct?
For benzo withdrawal I would recommend Amitriptyline as it's an old-skool anti-depressant which is remarkably good for benzo withdrawal. Seriously, I went from 2 hours sleep a night and getting suicidal depressed and psychotic to the point I was almost admitted into a mental hospital, to now where I can easily sleep 14 hours if I want too. lol It's been a life changing drug for me. Down to 6mg from 50mg diazepam.
I have also occasionally taken phenibut medicinally around the 2 gram dose for benzo withdrawal when I wanted to break particularly bad patches of insomnia. It targets GABA-B rather than GABA-A (like benzos) and I have not experienced any tolerance towards Phenibut whatsoever, even when i've taken it x3/x4 times a week on occasion.
Lately however I have found phenibut to be quite a powerful recreational drug. But it's so hard to explain at doses of 3.5 grams.
The come-up to me can range from 1 hour to 4 hours, with typical time of coming up 2 hours on a full stomach. To me it feels like coming up on acid or really clean MDA without the rushiness but stops at the point where you get any visuals. Everything just seems that little bit more beautiful (like MDMA).
The body high to me feels like amphetamine or MDMA, with tingling and rushes every so often (though not quite on the same level). This is especially true if listening to music, which sounds absolutely amazing.
Psychologically, all anxiety gets swept away (like a benzo) and talking and generally just socialising feels great and conversations run smoothly and are satisfying. There is definitely moderately enjoyable euphoria. Nothing like heroin, MDMA , etc. If I had to compare it i'd compare it to that controlled cocaine euphoria (but again not quite as intense). It's also wonderful for creativity: If you are a musician bust out your decks or a guitar and ideas will flow beautifully. Same goes if you are a painter or writer.
Emotionally: I can get so empathetic I can actually cry. It heightens emotions (except anxiety or depression) ten fold.
So it's a really strange beast. Mildly psychedelic, kind of stimulating at first but it is also paradoxically sedating at the same time. If you wanna sleep, you can, and dreams will be intense almost like being asleep on a moderate dose of LSD or Shrooms. You will sleep deeply and for a long time. If you stay awake on it you will find it stimulating. It's great in this way you have the power over which way to take it depending on your needs.
Also a real aphrodisiac and tactile sensation is increased (again like meth/dexamphetamine or MDMA), orgasm gives those tingles all over like when you manage to come on amphetamines lol
Hangover/comedown: Some mild GI complaints with heavier dosing (2.5+), Prilosec (Omeprezole) helps a lot. I usually have a nice afterglow that lasts into the next day after sleeping, where ideas flow nicely and I feel generally in a good mood. This fades over the course of the day. Headaches can occasionally be a problem but nothing a couple of Ibuprofen can't handle. Dizziness can be a problem if it hasn't worn off completely after waking.
Negative effects: Muscle cramping and pains in higher doses like when you drink a lot of alcohol. Staying hydrated helps. OTC pain meds will deal with it if it's really a problem. Addictive potential: I haven't found it addictive because the alcohol-like comedown makes me not want to take it very often. But the horror stories about withdrawals are very real as you can see all over the internet.
Very interesting substance. In lower doses it's a supplement with some very beneficial uses (anti-anxiety, creativity booster), but dose higher and for me it's very recreational. I could substitute this and go out dancing in place of clean MDMA/MDA and have a great time.
Just my two cents on this strange beast.
F'loki
I have also occasionally taken phenibut medicinally around the 2 gram dose for benzo withdrawal when I wanted to break particularly bad patches of insomnia. It targets GABA-B rather than GABA-A (like benzos) and I have not experienced any tolerance towards Phenibut whatsoever, even when i've taken it x3/x4 times a week on occasion.
Lately however I have found phenibut to be quite a powerful recreational drug. But it's so hard to explain at doses of 3.5 grams.
The come-up to me can range from 1 hour to 4 hours, with typical time of coming up 2 hours on a full stomach. To me it feels like coming up on acid or really clean MDA without the rushiness but stops at the point where you get any visuals. Everything just seems that little bit more beautiful (like MDMA).
The body high to me feels like amphetamine or MDMA, with tingling and rushes every so often (though not quite on the same level). This is especially true if listening to music, which sounds absolutely amazing.
Psychologically, all anxiety gets swept away (like a benzo) and talking and generally just socialising feels great and conversations run smoothly and are satisfying. There is definitely moderately enjoyable euphoria. Nothing like heroin, MDMA , etc. If I had to compare it i'd compare it to that controlled cocaine euphoria (but again not quite as intense). It's also wonderful for creativity: If you are a musician bust out your decks or a guitar and ideas will flow beautifully. Same goes if you are a painter or writer.
Emotionally: I can get so empathetic I can actually cry. It heightens emotions (except anxiety or depression) ten fold.
So it's a really strange beast. Mildly psychedelic, kind of stimulating at first but it is also paradoxically sedating at the same time. If you wanna sleep, you can, and dreams will be intense almost like being asleep on a moderate dose of LSD or Shrooms. You will sleep deeply and for a long time. If you stay awake on it you will find it stimulating. It's great in this way you have the power over which way to take it depending on your needs.
Also a real aphrodisiac and tactile sensation is increased (again like meth/dexamphetamine or MDMA), orgasm gives those tingles all over like when you manage to come on amphetamines lol
Hangover/comedown: Some mild GI complaints with heavier dosing (2.5+), Prilosec (Omeprezole) helps a lot. I usually have a nice afterglow that lasts into the next day after sleeping, where ideas flow nicely and I feel generally in a good mood. This fades over the course of the day. Headaches can occasionally be a problem but nothing a couple of Ibuprofen can't handle. Dizziness can be a problem if it hasn't worn off completely after waking.
Negative effects: Muscle cramping and pains in higher doses like when you drink a lot of alcohol. Staying hydrated helps. OTC pain meds will deal with it if it's really a problem. Addictive potential: I haven't found it addictive because the alcohol-like comedown makes me not want to take it very often. But the horror stories about withdrawals are very real as you can see all over the internet.
Very interesting substance. In lower doses it's a supplement with some very beneficial uses (anti-anxiety, creativity booster), but dose higher and for me it's very recreational. I could substitute this and go out dancing in place of clean MDMA/MDA and have a great time.
Just my two cents on this strange beast.
F'loki
MDPV_Psychosis
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2006
- Messages
- 2,242
F'Loki (or anyone who cares to reply): when you take higher doses (2.5g+) do you take it all at once or stagger it out? Were you able to take and enjoy a high dose like that right from the beginning or did you take it a few times and build a tolerance before going that high?
Do you get a lot of that nasty dizzy nauseous feeling from doses between 2-3.5g? I haven't gone higher than 1.8g yet. At 1.8g I can feel the slightest edge of it's recreational side but I can also feel a slight dizziness too so I've been reluctant to go higher. After reading the positive effects you described I am more inclined to try a higher dose but still worried about it getting nasty.
Do you get a lot of that nasty dizzy nauseous feeling from doses between 2-3.5g? I haven't gone higher than 1.8g yet. At 1.8g I can feel the slightest edge of it's recreational side but I can also feel a slight dizziness too so I've been reluctant to go higher. After reading the positive effects you described I am more inclined to try a higher dose but still worried about it getting nasty.
CoastTwoCoast
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2016
- Messages
- 5,759
Phenibut will make you feel like shit for a day if you overdo it. I can't remember exactly how I used to take larger doses since I did larger doses years ago. Google that particular question to find more answers and read up on other people's experiences.
I remember very well that withdrawals were scary as fuck and made me hallucinate so make sure you don't run out if you do larger doses regularly. (Which isn't recommended)
Phenibut might help me get my life back on track so I'm going to take it this month for anxiety. It will stop me from wanting anything to do with etizolam. I do not want that shit. Blackouts happen too easily with etiz. So I'm happy to rediscover phenibut right now.
I remember very well that withdrawals were scary as fuck and made me hallucinate so make sure you don't run out if you do larger doses regularly. (Which isn't recommended)
Phenibut might help me get my life back on track so I'm going to take it this month for anxiety. It will stop me from wanting anything to do with etizolam. I do not want that shit. Blackouts happen too easily with etiz. So I'm happy to rediscover phenibut right now.
Well, I usually take x4 700mg gel caps at first, and always try to have it with my evening dinner (so like 6pm or 7pm). So that is 2.8 grams on a full stomach.
I take it on a full stomach because I find it helps a little with the weird G.I disturbances. I also take Omeprezole (Prilosec) for acid reflux so will usually take x2 20mg when taking phenibut, 1 with my meal, and one maybe 5 hours later. I also take diphenyhydramine. This may be the reason I don't feel too nauseous with higher doses. But I think taking it on a full stomach helps with that too.
I have found that whether taking it on a full stomach or empty stomach doesn't make a difference to when I come up on it: It's always between 90 minutes and upto 4 hours. I dont really understand the reason behind this. I could take some on an empty stomach and it'll take 3 hours to kick in, but then another time 1.5 hour to kick in, I could take with a full stomach and it'll be exactly the same.
Anyway, to answer your question, yes I take 2.8 grams in one go. I will then re-dose another 700mg when I am a few hours into it.
As for tolerance, I first tried phenibut for insomnia a few years ago and it was the pure powder. I think I took maybe 2 grams. It knocked me out completely and well into the next day, I was on holiday and was walking like I was on ketamine or booze without the alcohol side effects (Like GHB if you've ever tried that). lol yeah I was a bit fucked up at the time and I think I was also on the RC thieno-benzo clonazolam, so that undoubtedly had an effect too.
I have found that doses around that 2 gram range are perfect for insomnia and helping with benzo withdrawals. Anything higher and I have found it becomes recreational. I once took it 5 nights in a row when I was going through a period of extreme anxiety, depression and fentanyl/heroin PAWS. I mixed it with a little bit of zopiclone and found that tolerance was surprisingly not that bad. I'd take 2.8 grams the first night, second night was also fine on that dose, but then yeah there was some tolerance, I upped it to 3.5, 4.2 then 5 grams before stopping and just going back to my diazepam taper. I did not notice any withdrawal symptoms to be honest and I left it a good week before dosing again and found my tolerance was back down to baseline.
Your last question about dizziness/nausea: I will have nausea on anything above 2.5 grams. To be honest 3.5 grams is a little overkill for me at the moment - but that might be because I am coming to the end of a diazepam withdrawal and on quite a high dose of Amitripyline. But yeah nausea is quite bad from 3.5 grams when initially it wasn't too bad. It might well be because I am on Amitripyline and it's having an additional effect. I never once felt like I was going to puke though: It is always manageable and the next day I will just feel like i've had a few beers - I find once I take a shit and get some food and liquids in me I start feeling better lol The psychological comedown is quite nice though and I am often left with an afterglow.
Yeah at 1.8 grams you would probably be feeling the beginnings of 'recreational' dosing. I would just build it up slowly and maybe dose at 2.5 grams next. After this, the dose/response curve is more sensitive, so it's best to wait a couple of hours between re-dosing, and also if you overshoot the more nauseous you will be for basically no gain in positive effects. That last point I cannot stress enough.
Don't worry about any neurotoxic effects or overdosing: The LD50 is something like 100 grams which no one is going to be able to stomach lol
I don't get dizziness at all until I hit the 4-5 gram mark, which I wouldn't go into these days.
I'd go for 2.5 grams and if you are worried about nausea get some diphenyhydramine, it'll kill most the nausea. Ant-acids help too. I would not dare mix it with alcohol as I could see that going south very fast, but have known some crazy people who have done so and they said it boosts alcohols effects by three or four times.
But yeah, i'd probably up it to 2,5 grams, maybe build up to 3 grams, then 3.5 grams. I honestly feel like I am coming up off of MDA or LSD when I use it recreationally. You will have to experiment a bit, but know when you get there.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
- Joined
- Nov 3, 1999
- Messages
- 84,998
I had a horrrrrrrible experience with the phenibut hangover/OD. Was bedridden vomiting and nauseous as well with the room spinning like crazy with an intense headache all day long. Nothing helped. I'd like to take phenibut again sometime, but never, ever so irresponsibly.
MDPV_Psychosis
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2006
- Messages
- 2,242
Thanks for the info guys. I actually ended up dosing higher today as soon as I woke up. Was well before you guys responded but I did some of my own googling/research last night so I wasn't jumping in blindfolded.
I was gonna dose 2.5 grams but ended up dumping out 2.8 onto the scale, decided 'fuck it' and took it all instead of trying to fine tune it down to 2.5.
I had a really great day. Took about 3 hours to kick in fullh but once it did I felt really good. Felt almost like a low stimulant dose but without any anxiety or jitteryness. Had tons of motivation, no anxiety or worries and basically wore a perma grin all day.
These effects kinda starting slowly tapering off around 7-8 hours after dosing. It's been almost 12 hours now. For the most part I don't 'feel' intoxicated but i can tell my coordination is off. When I'm walking around I notice I feel off balance and I walk a little like I'm drunk (but I don't feel like I'm drunk). I also feel a little slow and like I could easily go to bed if I layed down. There is some ever so slight nausea present but it's very easily ignored/forgotten.
Not too shabby of an experience but I don't think I'll be trying to push the dosage any higher. If anything I'll probably lower it to somewhere between 2.5-2.7g next time. I've also been strictly limiting my phenibut use to once per month and have no desire to change that after today.
Thanks again.
I was gonna dose 2.5 grams but ended up dumping out 2.8 onto the scale, decided 'fuck it' and took it all instead of trying to fine tune it down to 2.5.
I had a really great day. Took about 3 hours to kick in fullh but once it did I felt really good. Felt almost like a low stimulant dose but without any anxiety or jitteryness. Had tons of motivation, no anxiety or worries and basically wore a perma grin all day.
These effects kinda starting slowly tapering off around 7-8 hours after dosing. It's been almost 12 hours now. For the most part I don't 'feel' intoxicated but i can tell my coordination is off. When I'm walking around I notice I feel off balance and I walk a little like I'm drunk (but I don't feel like I'm drunk). I also feel a little slow and like I could easily go to bed if I layed down. There is some ever so slight nausea present but it's very easily ignored/forgotten.
Not too shabby of an experience but I don't think I'll be trying to push the dosage any higher. If anything I'll probably lower it to somewhere between 2.5-2.7g next time. I've also been strictly limiting my phenibut use to once per month and have no desire to change that after today.
Thanks again.
mikeyjames
Greenlighter
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2017
- Messages
- 2
Hi all,
I've just started using Phenebut and getting weird side effects within 24 hours.
I read it helps for sleep so gave it a go. I started with 250mg for a couple of nights and nothing. Repeat for 500mg and 750mg. 1000mg and a great night sleep.
The next day part of my bottom lip was numb. I figured this was related to starting the drug and would go away. Jump forward three nights and I'm getting - what feels like severe benzo withdrawal:
Brain shocks
Electric shocks in my hands to the point where I drop things.
Body shocks
It's actually worse than I got coming off two years of pills to help me sleep - Valium and Rivotril as traditional sleeping pills didn't work.
I only used Phenebut at night 1000mg for three nights and it's gradually getting worse. I tried taking 500mg yesterday afternoon to check if I was somewhere going into precipitated withdrawal and no effect at all.
I've looked on the net and can't find this as anything listed other than this as withdrawal effects of Phenebut - any idea what is going on? Anyone get this from simply using Phenebut?
Cheers
Mick
I've just started using Phenebut and getting weird side effects within 24 hours.
I read it helps for sleep so gave it a go. I started with 250mg for a couple of nights and nothing. Repeat for 500mg and 750mg. 1000mg and a great night sleep.
The next day part of my bottom lip was numb. I figured this was related to starting the drug and would go away. Jump forward three nights and I'm getting - what feels like severe benzo withdrawal:
Brain shocks
Electric shocks in my hands to the point where I drop things.
Body shocks
It's actually worse than I got coming off two years of pills to help me sleep - Valium and Rivotril as traditional sleeping pills didn't work.
I only used Phenebut at night 1000mg for three nights and it's gradually getting worse. I tried taking 500mg yesterday afternoon to check if I was somewhere going into precipitated withdrawal and no effect at all.
I've looked on the net and can't find this as anything listed other than this as withdrawal effects of Phenebut - any idea what is going on? Anyone get this from simply using Phenebut?
Cheers
Mick
Last edited:
CoastTwoCoast
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2016
- Messages
- 5,759
That's odd...so you're only taking phenibut? Nothing else? Just trying to make sure it's not an interaction. Also, I wonder what brand you're taking, but not sure if we can discuss brands...
Is it HCL or FAA?
Is it HCL or FAA?
MDPV_Psychosis
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2006
- Messages
- 2,242
The dreams I had last night after taking 2.8g were incredibly intense.
In the moment I was not enjoying them but thinking of them now I feel differently. There's something special about dreaming that intensely... Even though most of them were unpleasant.
They were exhaustingly intense... But I look forward to falling asleep after my next phenibut dose (won't be for about a month)
In the moment I was not enjoying them but thinking of them now I feel differently. There's something special about dreaming that intensely... Even though most of them were unpleasant.
They were exhaustingly intense... But I look forward to falling asleep after my next phenibut dose (won't be for about a month)
mikeyjames - that is extremely unusual. I have never experienced or heard of any withdrawals after just 3 days of use at therapeutic levels. Are you taking anything else with it? It might be an interaction. Maybe try a different supplier as it might also be dodgy stuff you are getting. Don't know what else to suggest really. You might be allergic to it? Might be genetics.
I do occasionally get muscle jerks' and twitches but this is at doses of 4-5 grams (the most I have ever taken). I have actually spilled a glass of water on my bed side table twice whilst having jerks when asleep. You might just be sensitive to it.
MDPV: Glad you enjoyed the 2.8 grams. Did you get any of the MDMA type effects I described? And did you notice how it paradoxically is mentally stimulating yet you can feel like you can still sleep on it?
It's a real enigma of a drug. Effects and duration seem inconsistent for seemingly no reason. I'd like to read the Soviets research into it for their cosmonauts. I can read a little Russian.
I am also convinced it does not actually hit GABA-A receptors, just GABA-B, otherwise I would've noticed by now because I am tapering my diazepam (down to 4mg), and it's really not made any noticeable difference. If anything it has helped.
I am also convinced it has some sort of effect on serotonin as well as dopamine, because of the MDMA like effects and a little euphoria.
Just took 2 grams a couple of hours ago as I really need to sort out my sleep pattern out. lol
I do occasionally get muscle jerks' and twitches but this is at doses of 4-5 grams (the most I have ever taken). I have actually spilled a glass of water on my bed side table twice whilst having jerks when asleep. You might just be sensitive to it.
MDPV: Glad you enjoyed the 2.8 grams. Did you get any of the MDMA type effects I described? And did you notice how it paradoxically is mentally stimulating yet you can feel like you can still sleep on it?
It's a real enigma of a drug. Effects and duration seem inconsistent for seemingly no reason. I'd like to read the Soviets research into it for their cosmonauts. I can read a little Russian.
I am also convinced it does not actually hit GABA-A receptors, just GABA-B, otherwise I would've noticed by now because I am tapering my diazepam (down to 4mg), and it's really not made any noticeable difference. If anything it has helped.
I am also convinced it has some sort of effect on serotonin as well as dopamine, because of the MDMA like effects and a little euphoria.
Just took 2 grams a couple of hours ago as I really need to sort out my sleep pattern out. lol
MDPV_Psychosis
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2006
- Messages
- 2,242
F'Loki said:
Definitely found it mentally stimulating while still feeling like I could sleep. Felt like low stimulant dose feeling: increased motivation, general feeling of well being, increased libido. Guess those effects could correlate to MDMA but honestly I didn't feel it compare in the moment.
F'Loki said:
For me, phenibut helps with sleep for the first night after dosing only once and sometimes the second night as well due to some residual effects still lingering. But then the third and fourth nights I get rebound insomnia. For me, it would not help me get back on track... It just disrupts things mostly. Hopefully it works for you.
Yes I do not ever take it back to back: I have only done that once when I was in very desperate withdrawal from benzos, opiates and couldn't pick up my anti-depressants, so was withdrawing from all 3 which is as nasty as it sounds, and on top of that I had crazy unpleasant shit going on in my life at the time. It really helped during that time.
But yes, the first night I took 2.8 grams, slept great, second night upped it to 3.5 grams, next night 4.2 grams, then when I hit 5 grams that was it really. I didnt really find any rebound insomnia or anxiety, but again that could be because I was put on amitriptyline (switched from SRNIs) a few days later and also my diazepam reduction. That may have blunted any withdrawal symptom symptoms. I couldn't say. But having to up the dose that much over 4 or 5 days definitely shows how tolerance can build very quickly.
I think the last time I took Phenibut was 3 or 4 days ago and tbh I have a general rule once per 4 days (and that has never made me feel any tolerance building, but it's very much YMMV with this drug), but I usually only take it once a week in reality. And taken like this in lower doses generally does a nice job (I do mix with melatonin 1mg, and usually diphenyhydramine) of getting me to sleep earlier and I usually wake up feeling well rested.
I still can't really decided just how recreational it is. Not very, but worth it for something different if you are into experimenting. Yeah the "MDMA-like" effects are pretty subtle but they become more obvious the more I take it. It's never gonna compete with MDMA but I just found some of the subtler effects similar (tactile sensation increase, but without a loss in sex drive like on molly lol, music sounds amazing etc.).
I think it's a good substance to use for benzo withdrawal, and i'd like to see more GABA-B drugs prescribed for it, say on a restricted prescription of x3 doses a week max. Combine that with the old-skool tricyclic anti-depressants and I honestly think you'd have a drug combo there that would make benzo withdrawals MUCH MUCH easier to deal with. It might even allow for a more rapid taper.
Just as an example of how inconsistent it is; I am only tonight just starting to feel it after 5 hours. And strangely it seemed to really kick in after a heavy supper before bed.
Yeah, weird stuff.
But yes, the first night I took 2.8 grams, slept great, second night upped it to 3.5 grams, next night 4.2 grams, then when I hit 5 grams that was it really. I didnt really find any rebound insomnia or anxiety, but again that could be because I was put on amitriptyline (switched from SRNIs) a few days later and also my diazepam reduction. That may have blunted any withdrawal symptom symptoms. I couldn't say. But having to up the dose that much over 4 or 5 days definitely shows how tolerance can build very quickly.
I think the last time I took Phenibut was 3 or 4 days ago and tbh I have a general rule once per 4 days (and that has never made me feel any tolerance building, but it's very much YMMV with this drug), but I usually only take it once a week in reality. And taken like this in lower doses generally does a nice job (I do mix with melatonin 1mg, and usually diphenyhydramine) of getting me to sleep earlier and I usually wake up feeling well rested.
I still can't really decided just how recreational it is. Not very, but worth it for something different if you are into experimenting. Yeah the "MDMA-like" effects are pretty subtle but they become more obvious the more I take it. It's never gonna compete with MDMA but I just found some of the subtler effects similar (tactile sensation increase, but without a loss in sex drive like on molly lol, music sounds amazing etc.).
I think it's a good substance to use for benzo withdrawal, and i'd like to see more GABA-B drugs prescribed for it, say on a restricted prescription of x3 doses a week max. Combine that with the old-skool tricyclic anti-depressants and I honestly think you'd have a drug combo there that would make benzo withdrawals MUCH MUCH easier to deal with. It might even allow for a more rapid taper.
Just as an example of how inconsistent it is; I am only tonight just starting to feel it after 5 hours. And strangely it seemed to really kick in after a heavy supper before bed.
Yeah, weird stuff.
mikeyjames
Greenlighter
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2017
- Messages
- 2
Hey F'Loki
No, it's not what I expected. The day I wrote the post was horrendous - a few hours later I was driving and my cigarette kept jumping out of my hand. Then that night when I tried to sleep I got a light show that reminded me of trying to sleep that day after, when in my early 20's (early 1990's) when I used to do acid/mdma/etc and go to raves. I don't actually have what's referred to as a minds eye, suffering from aphantasia, so any visual stuff is really noticeable for me (probably why acid was my favourite drug 25 years ago). BTW I've never had a flashback.
I mucked a round a bit later that day and took another 500mg to see if it would make it better or worse - it made it worse.
The good news - now day 3 without Phenebut and feeling pretty much normal again.
I guess Phenebut is just not good for me.
Cheers
Mick
No, it's not what I expected. The day I wrote the post was horrendous - a few hours later I was driving and my cigarette kept jumping out of my hand. Then that night when I tried to sleep I got a light show that reminded me of trying to sleep that day after, when in my early 20's (early 1990's) when I used to do acid/mdma/etc and go to raves. I don't actually have what's referred to as a minds eye, suffering from aphantasia, so any visual stuff is really noticeable for me (probably why acid was my favourite drug 25 years ago). BTW I've never had a flashback.
I mucked a round a bit later that day and took another 500mg to see if it would make it better or worse - it made it worse.
The good news - now day 3 without Phenebut and feeling pretty much normal again.
I guess Phenebut is just not good for me.
Cheers
Mick
Same here I wanted to use phenibut for social anxiety and while I found it effective for that purpose, the effects lasted too long and were too disruptive to my normal schedule. I can see it working well for a young, healthy person who can get away with the after effects but with my health problems it's just not worth it.
CoastTwoCoast
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Feb 18, 2016
- Messages
- 5,759
Phenibut doesn't help me with insomnia. It actually triggers mania in my case and makes me feel great, not sleepy. I can sleep on it though when it's time to go to bed and as someone else mentioned, the dreams are quite intense.
It can have a heavy body load and give me gastro problems. It's hard on the stomach at times, but that's when I switch over to FAA instead of HCL if I need a break. FAA does not work as good as HCL imo. It's just a different feeling. Nothing beats HCL.
Expecting mine in the mail today.
It can have a heavy body load and give me gastro problems. It's hard on the stomach at times, but that's when I switch over to FAA instead of HCL if I need a break. FAA does not work as good as HCL imo. It's just a different feeling. Nothing beats HCL.
Expecting mine in the mail today.