Is Ketamine really a "club" drug??

[somnilicious]

In the late 90's, when I was heavily involved in the club and rave scene of Orlando, nobody really ever did K by itself in a club. It was always there but really just as an adjunct to MDMA. Rolls were always the gold standard of the rave scene and then you had all these other drugs that people would combine with the X. The same was true for GHB and LSD except that it was a little more common for people to dose those alone at a club, probably more so for GHB. It was mostly powder K that people used at the club. Everyone would cook their own viles. I honestly didn't know anyone at the time that injected K, then again I was either in highschool or my first 2yrs of college and that is just not something that most younger ravers would have been into.

 

[AutoTripper]

Ketamine is actually quite an amazing dance drug, at the right dose or supported by MDMA and/or Acid.
I always forget that about Ketamine actually. It just unlocked the body and lifted the mental and emotional shackles, gravity is reduced, pain and lethargy wiped away, along with all self consciousness allowing for uninhibited movement.

I never heard talk about racemic/S Ketamine etc. But the first time I ever took it was in 2002, just before Veterinary Ketamine disappeared from the scene, to be replaced with Pharma or "Kiddie Ket" as it was labelled.

I only ever took the Vet Ket one time, 3 lines at a rave on 3 mindblowing ecstasy pills.

I went on to take LOTS of Kiddie-Ket. Great stuff, but those 2 types of K are loke 2 completely different drugs.

The Vet ket would not be nearly as viable in any type of club setting. Definitely not any sort of legal thing at least. I didnt try to dance on it at the time, I neber even had a body. As soon as I took it, the car I sat in with friends, elongated, stretched out to be like 40 foot long inside, and soon after that was it- abstract geometric hallucinations for hours.

Kiddie ket was always very manageable in most situations, depending on dose of course. Could still be very sociable. Even on moderately hight doses and highly altered states, you could still be very mobile, agile and collected.

 

[Aeon Psyche]

GHB and ketamine are seriously a deadly combination. I know because I speak from experience. (Yes, I still live but I am an exception to the rule)

Never try this at home, kids! (Or anywhere else for that matter)

 

[yepyepwoah]

I bumped probably 250mg or so racemic Ketamine when I saw the band Balance and Composure a few years ago. Mostly I did it because I first listened to them on MXE. They were the soundtrack to many disso/psychedelic trips. I wanted to be in the same zone when I saw them live. I think I had a few beers before the concert. The club was super packed. I was in the back corner (just so happened to be close to the bathroom) with as much personal space as possible. I remember I had a really good time, and that I could barely stand up. That's about it. Lol. I was leaned against the wall rocking out. Without the wall I probably would not have made it.

 

[somnilicious]

GHB and ketamine are seriously a deadly combination. I know because I speak from experience. (Yes, I still live but I am an exception to the rule)

Never try this at home, kids! (Or anywhere else for that matter)

Yeah, I wouldn't take G and K together. I mainly meant people combined those drugs with mdma.

 

[somnilicious]

Ketamine is actually quite an amazing dance drug, at the right dose or supported by MDMA and/or Acid.
I always forget that about Ketamine actually. It just unlocked the body and lifted the mental and emotional shackles, gravity is reduced, pain and lethargy wiped away, along with all self consciousness allowing for uninhibited movement.

I never heard talk about racemic/S Ketamine etc. But the first time I ever took it was in 2002, just before Veterinary Ketamine disappeared from the scene, to be replaced with Pharma or "Kiddie Ket" as it was labelled.

I only ever took the Vet Ket one time, 3 lines at a rave on 3 mindblowing ecstasy pills.

I went on to take LOTS of Kiddie-Ket. Great stuff, but those 2 types of K are loke 2 completely different drugs.

The Vet ket would not be nearly as viable in any type of club setting. Definitely not any sort of legal thing at least. I didnt try to dance on it at the time, I neber even had a body. As soon as I took it, the car I sat in with friends, elongated, stretched out to be like 40 foot long inside, and soon after that was it- abstract geometric hallucinations for hours.

Kiddie ket was always very manageable in most situations, depending on dose of course. Could still be very sociable. Even on moderately hight doses and highly altered states, you could still be very mobile, agile and collected.

Wait.... So there's two kinds of ket. Is the vet ket racemic, where as the kiddie is d or l? I have only tried the vet ket as we got the vials either straight from vet or Mexico.

I never really liked the drug although I have also never holed. I seemed to be extremely intolerant to that effect. My friends would hole out and I'd keep snorting the hell out of it and only get that weird depth perception fun house mirror effect that makes you feel like Alice after she drank the potion and your growing up to the ceiling, when you bend over and stand back up.

 

[AutoTripper]

Wait.... So there's two kinds of ket. Is the vet ket racemic, where as the kiddie is d or l? I have only tried the vet ket as we got the vials either straight from vet or Mexico.

I never really liked the drug although I have also never holed. I seemed to be extremely intolerant to that effect. My friends would hole out and I'd keep snorting the hell out of it and only get that weird depth perception fun house mirror effect that makes you feel like Alice after she drank the potion and your growing up to the ceiling, when you bend over and stand back up.

Vet ket was a dark beige/brown. Kiddie ket was white unless dyed, which it commonly would be. Vet ket is like 5 times what Kiddie ket is, especially in terms of "K Holing capacity".

What an awesome term that is don't you think? It just came to mind as the perfect fitting description but it has a ring to it which I like.

Anyway the two forms were in completely different leagues and you could describe the Kiddie Ket, however pure and Potent as being the friendly sociable version in comparison.

Veterinary ketamine and LSD was proving to be a very dangerous combination for severely bad trips early on and one thing is for certain the pharmaceutical ketamine is much more forgiving in that sense and actually combined extremely well with LSD not that bad trips were not possible and didn't still occur because they did.

But a big part of me shudders to think what things would have been like in this regard if veterinary ketamine had remained on the same as the norm instead of pharmaceutical.

It scares me to think the ordeals I might have landed myself in has that been the ketamine on the scene as I routinely took as much MDMA LSD and ketamine as I could afford each weekend.

So maybe you only had vet ket?
I cant comment on the whole Racemic thing. I have no idea if that is what makes these two types of ketamine different or if it is entirely separate and there may still be different ways to manufacture these two types individually with regards to isomers etc.

I hope one of our more knowledgeable members might be able to chime in on this possibly?

 

[somnilicious]

Vet ket was a dark beige/brown. Kiddie ket was white unless dyed, which it commonly would be. Vet ket is like 5 times what Kiddie ket is, especially in terms of "K Holing capacity".

What an awesome term that is don't you think? It just came to mind as the perfect fitting description but it has a ring to it which I like.

Anyway the two forms were in completely different leagues and you could describe the Kiddie Ket, however pure and Potent as being the friendly sociable version in comparison.

Veterinary ketamine and LSD was proving to be a very dangerous combination for severely bad trips early on and one thing is for certain the pharmaceutical ketamine is much more forgiving in that sense and actually combined extremely well with LSD not that bad trips were not possible and didn't still occur because they did.

But a big part of me shudders to think what things would have been like in this regard if veterinary ketamine had remained on the same as the norm instead of pharmaceutical.

It scares me to think the ordeals I might have landed myself in has that been the ketamine on the scene as I routinely took as much MDMA LSD and ketamine as I could afford each weekend.

So maybe you only had vet ket?
I cant comment on the whole Racemic thing. I have no idea if that is what makes these two types of ketamine different or if it is entirely separate and there may still be different ways to manufacture these two types individually with regards to isomers etc.

I hope one of our more knowledgeable members might be able to chime in on this possibly?

.....But the "Vet" Ket I had came in the vial and would be cooked by evaporating the fluid until leaving a white crystalline powder. The only way it would be brown is if you burnt the shit out of it by leaving it on the stove long after the liquid was gone and then it would be dark brown, black, crispy shit.

 

[somnilicious]

I do like the names.... I guess other later brands of the vial could have brown a honey brown liquid leaving the brown powder... Dunno??

 

[Bitchniggaz]

A small bump while on some acid or Molly is great at raves.
However i always end up putting a straw in my bag and just take way to much at some point.
So no its not a great idea, unless someone else offers you a little bit.
But dont bring a bag of your own and hope for the best.
Ymmv though.

 

[AutoTripper]

In my areas around London and Anglia, a very common trend was to snort half gram lines. Gram lines very common also.

I think 2 gram lines were accomplished. Heavy abusers with tolerance issues would eventually be taking 12 one gram lines each day.

I watched people at raves, spasming ferociously unconscious on the floor after a gram line. Then in a heap in a mess until consciousness finally reboots hours later.

Then often- repeat!
God it was a messy scene. And this was kiddie ket in 2003/4. I took pretty big lines, not usually more than 0.25 at a time at raves, but I tried up to half gram lines, no more. It was pretty wild.


On the brown vet ket- I will have to ask some old acquaintances next time I have an opportunity because I need friends who have been taking this Vet ket for a couple of years before I visited any of these parties to try it myself just before it vanished.

So I will ask them was it always a particular distinctive shade or colour? Because I only had that one experience and maybe forms an inaccurate impression on this matter.

 

[nznity]

I don't understand what's all the hype about "K", i have access to pharma grade vials. I've tried it IV,IM, snorted Fat shots, small shots,bumps, never liked the taste, never liked the effect and i think i'll never like it. You just feel too dettached from the world. It's not even euphoric, wouldn't consider it euphoric, it's just plain weird.......MDXX on the other hand mhm....yum. haha

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

More like a "clubbed over the head" drug. Who takes a horse tranquilizer and thinks PARTAYYYY!??

 

[AutoTripper]

I have at the moment the "vet ket"

Is it brown? It always used to be, at least that's what I gathered from others already on the scene when I was first hearing reports about it from raving friends in 2002 I think it was.

The kiddie ket was usually plain white except it could be coloured with any shade for various purposes, often for smuggling and and importation we had one batch that was a rose colour and basically tasted and smelled like perfume because it had obviously been smuggled in as perfume and then evaporated or cooked out somehow.

Not very pleasant. And actually when I think of it now I can recall that exact taste and smell in my sinuses and throat from that particular batch like it was yesterday. It really lingered.

But I do remember having some amazing pink ketamine on occasions. And actually the pinkness added to the experience somehow. Pink is a great colour for ketamine IMO.

But for sure, there are still plenty of vets and horses around. So no doubt there will still be psychonauts out there are who are lucky to access it although I expect in limited quantity.

My uncle and aunt used to have ketamine on property for theur horses. No way on earth would I and the cousins ever have had had a chance of getting our hands on it.

 

[AutoTripper]

More like a "clubbed over the head" drug. Who takes a horse tranquilizer and thinks PARTAYYYY!??

Well, you would be surprised. Now yes, vet ket is a level above. It is ultimately more flooring and tranquilizing than pharmaceutical ketamine which is surprisingly recreational actually, dose dependant.

I mean, I only took the vet ket that one time. 3 lines. On the world's best ecstasy pills, 3 yellow "Bentleys" ("B" as logo). Real powerful saffrole stinking pills, from a distance.

I still swear those type of pills were the best I ever took in general, with the exception of some of the incredibly firm and hard pressed pills which didn't have an odor at all all like the original Mitsubishi I don't think smelled very much.

So I can't comment on the usefulness and viability of veterinary ketamine as a dance and party drug but I'm pretty sure people were using it for those purposes in those early years, actually throughout the 90s I expect until the early 2000s.

One other very common effect which I usually always experienced on ketamine at illegal parties whenever sitting in a parked car, after taking ketamine (and usually other substances you would literally be hallucinating the whole time you were in the parked car that's it was moving and driving through normal landscapes.

It was so incredibly real and life like it was hard to believe it wasn't real but inside the car, I would still be fully aware of of everything else as it was in reality including the people I was in the company of and socialising with.

Also with ketamine group and joint hallucinations would occur regularly and very easily and could be as detailed and imaginative and real as any actual life experience.


Personally I never really tapped into this phenomena because I was always such an individually minded man on my totally own wavelength and headspace especially on my psychedelic experiences.

But I have always been that way as a person in real life if almost privately minded despite being as open and forthright as can be. Just very deep.

But I remember friends describing to me one particular group hallucination they shared sitting in a parked car at a party where they were driving around an animal safari park exactly as would occur in real life and they all had the identical same visions and experiences and were pointing and commenting on the specific animals.

I did have group hallucinations with others when sat inside a parked car which appeared to be driving and we would be on the same journey.

But this particular aspect and phenomenon of the ketamine experience is probably not very well known or widely experienced nowadays.

 

[speedfreak999]

low dose k enhances mood, reduces inhibitions, and creates cool visuals that are not confusing nor accompanied with the anxious headspace that lsd and shrooms often create. perfect for clubs and music festivals (especially at night with all the glowing lights). doesn’t make me lethargic at any dose. i hear i’m actually quite wild on too much of it.

I have just at the moment, a vet ket on 20ml ampoule, and now going To take 2ml i.m and it9 is 50mg/ml.and got 3g of weed on My stash. But that 3-MEO-PCP was AWESOME rc dissociative. Doesnt make you so like stay put on one place like mxe did at least To me. But when i have pure 3-MEO-PCP, its like ABSOLUTELY have To be scale which shows 0.001... Because if you OD that really much, its as worst a first and the last mental asylum case..... Forever.im serioysly that mind that if you have so rare rc dissociative like this, dont play with your sanity. But of course its on its Best a really great To reboot your brain. Peace

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

From the admittedly limited experience I have with ketamine, all it makes me do is want to lie down and float through the universe. I can't see any value in it as a club drug at all. However, my daughter and her mates go out on it all the time - but having tried their stuff I realise it's just shit ket.

 

[Shady's Fox]

For me, the way I see K it's the same way I see 3g of green. The only club drug is MDMA, though nowadays you got ''Stims'' which is not MDMA. People saying back in 90's '' I did bla bla'', nah man. Real MDMA was and is hard to find, but bottom line no, K is not a club drug. Maybe, let's say you would drop a hit of acid at a rave, okay, that somehow works only if you are comfortable, so as you see psyhedelics aren't rave drugs either. To end this, MDMA it's the thing you want when you go to a dance club to feel good.

 

[ItsclearlyFake]

Lol so ironic the answers because it´s definetely my "club" drug to go. No especially because it´s fun but because it´s actually the only substance I´ve found that practically leaves my "social anxiety" to zero while remaining pretty "sober" to have normal conversations and etc. I just feel confident and not-judgemental in a low dose of K, just the perfect thing i need for a intense social setting.

So while K in normal doses its usually not a club drug , I think a lot of people are missing out in just doing a low dose and see how they feel. Obviously for people who haven´t got an issue socializing won´t do much for them. For me it´s truly a miracle

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Lol so ironic the answers because it´s definetely my "club" drug to go. No especially because it´s fun but because it´s actually the only substance I´ve found that practically leaves my "social anxiety" to zero while remaining pretty "sober" to have normal conversations and etc. I just feel confident and not-judgemental in a low dose of K, just the perfect thing i need for a intense social setting.

So while K in normal doses its usually not a club drug , I think a lot of people are missing out in just doing a low dose and see how they feel. Obviously for people who haven´t got an issue socializing won´t do much for them. For me it´s truly a miracle

What do you call a low dose though?