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Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him?

quaalMan said:
choosing fleeting pleasures/status over long term gain.
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Better to live well here and now because that is all we know exists. To restrict one life for a fantasy is not too brigtht.

You make references to what a god would like.

You have not way of accessing the supernatural or can even say it exists.

That is speculative nonsense on your part.

Regards
DL
 
Gormur said:
I don't know how you measure that because there's religion and there's instinct, but they're not synonymous
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Correct.

One is the need or desire, instincts, while the other is just a tribe to fill the need.

I measure them as equal in the sense that both provide ideologies to follow.

One natural, instincts, --- and the other, --- un-natural and the theology of liars, if we are talking the mainstream religions.

Regards
DL
 
"Yahweh" isn't real bud. How many of these "why would God" threads are you gonna make.
 
mp44god said:
"Yahweh" isn't real bud. How many of these "why would God" threads are you gonna make.
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Till I kill Christianity.

Or do you like their genocidal god?

Do you like it when your neighbors hold a genocidal character in such a high esteem?

Would you let your neighbor fly a Swastika?

Not likely.

I am willing to bet you don't even know that the cross is Christianity's fascist symbol just as the Swastika was Hitler's..

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Till I kill Christianity.

Or do you like their genocidal god?

Do you like it when your neighbors hold a genocidal character in such a high esteem?

Would you let your neighbor fly a Swastika?

Not likely.

I am willing to bet you don't even know that the cross is Christianity's fascist symbol just as the Swastika was Hitler's..

Regards
DL
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The swastika is much, much, much older than national socialism.

en.wikipedia.org

Swastika - Wikipedia

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Islam is much more nationalistic and actually fascist than Christianity and Judaism, and the sects of these religions and all other religions, philosophies, and spiritualities.

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia

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PriestTheyCalledHim said:
The swastika is much, much, much older than national socialism.

en.wikipedia.org

Swastika - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Islam is much more nationalistic and actually fascist than Christianity and Judaism, and the sects of these religions and all other religions, philosophies, and spiritualities.

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
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Islam came out of Judaism just as Christianity did and they are all fascist.

It seems that the Judaic ideology gets worse for women and gays over time. They went from near equality to misogyny and homophobia.

Immoral G D religions, and the general public does not care that genocidal god lovers walk among us and praise such filth.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Correct.

One is the need or desire, instincts, while the other is just a tribe to fill the need.

I measure them as equal in the sense that both provide ideologies to follow.

One natural, instincts, --- and the other, --- un-natural and the theology of liars, if we are talking the mainstream religions.

Regards
DL
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OK I don't agree with you here. You jump around too much

Back in days of yore, religion or faith meant a lot more than it means in today's world. People lived by their oaths/word etc It wasn't like now where it's all or nothing materialism

Also, instinct is just that. Think of surviving a war in the midst of it by sheer..will power? No, rather instinct. It's the desire to live

Personally I even argue that because I bet a lot of those war torn people are so worn out that they barely have the ability to thrive, let alone possess an ability to desire to live

Personally, I've dealt with depression, the anhedonic type forever and I'd shudder at the idea that I enjoy or even wish to continue with life. Imagine waking up everyday and not feeling empty or alone, but instead feeling as though you've already seen everything you need to see because you're weary

Where's your god now? ;)
 
Gormur said:
OK I don't agree with you here. You jump around too much

Back in days of yore, religion or faith meant a lot more than it means in today's world. People lived by their oaths/word etc It wasn't like now where it's all or nothing materialism

Also, instinct is just that. Think of surviving a war in the midst of it by sheer..will power? No, rather instinct. It's the desire to live

Personally I even argue that because I bet a lot of those war torn people are so worn out that they barely have the ability to thrive, let alone possess an ability to desire to live

Personally, I've dealt with depression, the anhedonic type forever and I'd shudder at the idea that I enjoy or even wish to continue with life. Imagine waking up everyday and not feeling empty or alone, but instead feeling as though you've already seen everything you need to see because you're weary

Where's your god now? ;)
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You disagree but do not know with what.

To your last.

I am a Gnostic Christian. My god is I am.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Better to live well here and now because that is all we know exists.
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Matthew 6:
  • 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
  • 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
  • 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

And we can talk about all the figures in the Bible who did not have a very good life and were tortured/persecuted for their beliefs (John comes immediately to mind).

Depends on what 'living well' means to you, but it's not always part of the Christian life.

Gnostic Bishop said:
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
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Much of that contradicts the Bible directly. I'll just pick on the part about us being co-equal with Christ. Again it's like a body, Jesus is the actual person (or head) we are the cells/parts. In that way we can be as-God without actually having that authority directly.

A ton of Bible versus to support this. Just a few, but I can think of several more:
  • Ephesians 5:23: Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
  • Colossians 1:18: He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
  • Colossians 2:10: in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
  • 1 Corinth 12:12: For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.

Gnostic Bishop said:
The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.
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Ephesians 4:14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 
I guess I'd rather be a childish person then because I don't get what you're talking about
 
quaalMan said:
Much of that contradicts the Bible directly.
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True, as the bible can be made to say almost anything.

I would not say there is more against me though, other than the made up supernatural garbage in scriptures.

Scriptures say that we are all children of god.

Do you want your children to always be beneath you, as you think your heavenly father does for you, or would you prefer that your children take your advice and end better than you?

Your god wants to slave us to himself as lord and ruler forever.

Is that what you want for your children towards you and your imaginary genocidal god?

Regards
DL
 
True, as the bible can be made to say almost anything.

I don't know what you mean here

I would not say there is more against me though, other than the made up supernatural garbage in scriptures.

The only thing supernatural is the way you interpret it

Scriptures say that we are all children of god.

I doubt it. More of a creation of His, which could mean many things

Do you want your children to always be beneath you, as you think your heavenly father does for you, or would you prefer that your children take your advice and end better than you?

Are your offspring your equals just as your siblings and extended relatives? Yes but what about strangers? See I have no idea how that's supposed to work although I'd tend to say no, they're not equal

Your god wants to slave us to himself as lord and ruler forever.

Slavery had different meanings before than it does in modern times. I realize you may not agree though

Is that what you want for your children towards you and your imaginary genocidal god?

Well, here again I don't think we see eye to eye on this. Humans are war hungry unlike God who is omniscient. If you're all-knowing, you don't need to answer to anybody

-G
 
Gormur said:
True, as the bible can be made to say almost anything.

I don't know what you mean here

I would not say there is more against me though, other than the made up supernatural garbage in scriptures.

The only thing supernatural is the way you interpret it

Scriptures say that we are all children of god.

I doubt it. More of a creation of His, which could mean many things

Do you want your children to always be beneath you, as you think your heavenly father does for you, or would you prefer that your children take your advice and end better than you?

Are your offspring your equals just as your siblings and extended relatives? Yes but what about strangers? See I have no idea how that's supposed to work although I'd tend to say no, they're not equal

Your god wants to slave us to himself as lord and ruler forever.

Slavery had different meanings before than it does in modern times. I realize you may not agree though

Is that what you want for your children towards you and your imaginary genocidal god?

Well, here again I don't think we see eye to eye on this. Humans are war hungry unlike God who is omniscient. If you're all-knowing, you don't need to answer to anybody

-G
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Reciprocity is fair play. Answer my question and I will answer yours.

That or keep deflecting and be ignored.

Regards
DL
 
judging by your threads, you have definitely made up your mind about God and are seeking human approval. Weak.
 
ghostandthedarknes said:
judging by your threads, you have definitely made up your mind about God and are seeking human approval. Weak.
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I do not need the approval of others to know that a genocidal prick of a god, is a genocidal prick of a god.

If others do not agree, they show their lack of a moral sense.

What is your position on genocidal characters? Good or evil?

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I do not need the approval of others to know that a genocidal prick of a god, is a genocidal prick of a god.

If others do not agree, they show their lack of a moral sense.

What is your position on genocidal characters? Good or evil?

Regards
DL
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my opinion is just that, my opinion. no one but me gives a fuck about it.
 
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