Misc Are benzos and opiates more addictive compared to other drugs?

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

Yes. Benzos and opiates are the worst drugs ever created. They hoist a entire slew of problems far greater than they ever did any good.

The rabbit hole of most heavy drugs can be overbearing and incredibly difficult to overcome.

As some states though, Meth or MDMA / acid abuse IMO will permanently damage you the worst, even with sobriety you may never return.

Opiate addiction, as horrible as it is, does not cause long term damage to one. They can come back and return to normal IMO.

This is hugely important factor

Hmm I'm not sure. . . The thing about addiction is that we only see the addicts struggling on the surface. The junkies stealing from friends and family and ending in devastating ways. I'd imagine the world would be shocked to see how many people around them are taking opiates and benzos on a regular basis. We don't get to see the successful addicts in the world because they're so good at hiding it.

 

[DoriansDelorean]

Bro it sounds like you have been through a lot, and Its all good, most of us here make a post or two high now and again... me included atm...
so don’t get me wrong I enjoy some homemade crack once in a blue moon, but dude I’m surprised u weren’t into meth, which feels like a more complete crack to me(perhaps a little less dopaminish?) Personally after my spouts with serious addiction from one side of the spectrum to the other, we did something very similar in that we both started with an upper(meth starting in high school for me) and ended with a downer(mine was opiates; heroin specifically) and aside from a stable methadone dose and dabbing all day everyday, I didn’t do anything save trip once every 2-3 years(makes them so special) for a decade, till about 6 months ago, and right now I’m dabbling with speed at therapeutic levels while also abusing the shit out of Clonazolam cuz it’s just too much fun but I still work 40 plus hours a week and do 12 credits of accelerated summer courses. It’s all about how you use man, I’m at a sweet spot right now and it could go either way, but my time off drugs gave me enough perspective to keep it under control and eat and sleep and not fuck things off. If I had been doing 10 years of hard drugs on either side of the coin I’d probably be dead, but if not, I’d be quite fucked off and who knows if responsible use would have been possible.
When drugs are good, they’re fuckin nothing less than magical and extraordinary in so many ways. It almost feels like I’m making contact with a part of myself I had forgotten I had lost, the forgotten ghost of loss being suddenly remembered and then immediately reunited there with. Lol that prob sounds schizophrenic af guys. Esoteric psychedelic thoughts while on amphetamines

Anyway, I bet you the reason u stopped wanting crack so bad is cuz u were tired of it and found something that u liked so much better perhaps? Personally one without the other ultimately feels a little off and that’s why speedballs are a thing lol. And as for the guy on the bench dude... I am pretty sure I actually saw that lol was it from the 80s with that one dude who plays the pimp bf Sharon stone keeps going back to in Casino? The thing is for me, western medicine is so intertwined with capitalism that we don’t do preventative or natural fixes etc, or even use the best drugs for maximum effect; we get prescribed and sold the stuff you have to take 1-2 a day everyday, for the rest of your life. We are totally 100% all about chemistry as far as psychology goes. Mood is regulated and disposition is a product of how your temperament over time is. It seems silly to say that drug addiction is bad but taking deppressants or Benzos or opiates from a doc is good. Substance abuse and misuse is a real thing and can, and does! fuck people up. But that’s not to say that all use is abuse perhaps many who use are making up for a serious lack of seretonin or dopamine or some other related endorphin(endogenous morphine), in which case that doesn’t sound much dif that depression meds except they actually work. Pep in ur step type tonics of amphetamines used to be sold over the counter as late as the 50s-60s. My point is, fear mongering often obscures the truth of drug use. Theres use, and abuse, and somewhere in between is balance and harmony between having fun and curing boredom & taking care of responsibilities, working towards goals, putting in quality time to those you love....
Or as a rehab counselor would refer to it..
“Ahhh yes, the functioning addict”

 

[nznity]

Excellent post and could not have put it in better words myself (at least not in so few lines). I don’t know if coke powder and crack binges lasting a day or two twice a week or so for about four years counts as addiction but that’s my coke history. One fine day just got pissed off with the money I was wasting and paying to the dealer scum and decided that was that. Worst feeling I remember was knowing I’d never feel that crack whoosh again but that was about it. Enter Benzos. some years later and this time legit for depression with an SSRI. After about three years I one time miscalculated my stock and couldn’t replace for two days. Believe me: by the end of the second day life was almost not worth living I promise you. That is how powerful these things are. I remember though, oddly enough, that the moment I got my prescription and popped one right there in the pharmacy: I felt just about normal within about a half hour. Always surprised me that did. Anyway. Eventually got off them by tapering as per the Ashton Manual (give or take) and it took a while but I got right. Truth be told: that was also some years ago and I cannot honestly tell you that my life improved by being free of these things. Matter of fact and with hindsight: I would probably have been better off just staying on them and the SSRI for good and without a break (back on both now for about a month now). One teeny little anomaly though: after having smoked cracked for so long and so often I could not stop thinking about the shit. Once I was on the SSRI and Benzos. I never even gave it a second thought (even had people hit in front of me and it didn’t bother me at all). Always wondered about that and how come that was the case. Unintended consequence or side effect of SSRIs and Benzos.? Or just a different state of mind at the time. Guess I’ll never know. At the moment and in spite of having more than a now passing interest in coke analogs while being back on the same SSRI and Benzo.: not interested in personal use. So maybe there is something to all of this. Dunno.


You have hit the nail squarely on the head my forum friend. Had I not decided to take the chance of going back on Prozac and Alprozalam about a month ago I really don’t believe I’d be sitting here typing this to you today. And I say this in spite of knowing that at some point I’ll be facing the same Benzo. withdrawal hell at some point in the future. I just wish that Joe Public would become less judgmental and more educated when it comes to stuff like this. In the last few years and while being total clean (even from alcohol mostly) I’ve come to realize and accept with hindsight that I have had depression in one form or another my entire 55 years and on top of that I have an addictive personality. I asked for neither and have not nurtured either. It is who I am. Even now I am getting flack for starting on the SSRI and Benzos. again by those who supposedly give a shit about me. This time I’ve told them to get fucked. If your life is so perfect and you don’t have my shortcomings nor need medicinal help to get through things well then good for you. But I ain’t putting myself through mental hell on a daily basis just to make you feel better.

Tell you the best though (and may give some hope or, but hopefully not, encourage others): through most all of my working years I’ve been self employed and managed to maintain a usually six figure bank account (and once or twice even seven figures) and that was through all the twelve hour almost daily business lunches and piss ups and drug use. Since I stopped all of that a few years ago my life has gone steadily downhill. And I I never had to hit rock bottom or lose anything before stopping all of this shit i.e. was just one othe lucky ones that could walk away from whatever substance was the flavor of the month or the year. Strange huh. Always wondered why. I do remember seeing a documentary on cocaine addiction once. Basically the dudes ended up losing their businesses (Wall Street type stuff) and ending up on the park bench AFTER deciding to quit. I found this very strange until it was explained that once they’d quit that overwhelming compulsion to make sure there was piles of cash available to fund their habits and party antics was no longer there. Don’t think that applies to me but interesting nevertheless.

Anyways. Sorry for the long post. Probably totally off topic. And absolutely no idea why I decided to type a thesis here this morning (must be my Benzo. hangover which is to me the only shortcoming that these little marvels have). Anyway. There it is for your entertainment (or not).

Take care and be careful out there! Lol!

Ikr, crack ringers are something special...

 

[Wilson Wilson]

Hmm I'm not sure. . . The thing about addiction is that we only see the addicts struggling on the surface. The junkies stealing from friends and family and ending in devastating ways. I'd imagine the world would be shocked to see how many people around them are taking opiates and benzos on a regular basis. We don't get to see the successful addicts in the world because they're so good at hiding it.

Yep I work in an office (well not right now, but you know...) full of people making six figures or more and I would be shocked if at least some of them didn't have some type of drug habit. Likely legally through private doctors, because wealthy people don't need to use dealers for benzos/opiates/stims.

Basically I see this as a class issue, if you got enough $$$ to just keep getting your DOC on script every month even if it's 80mg oxys or some shit there's no reason people around you would notice you're on anything assuming you're sensible with your doses in public (not taking enough to nod at work etc) unless they know the subtle signs to look for. I've seen a few peeps with pinned pupils. Maybe I'm just imagining things, maybe not.

But I can tell you for certain plenty of wealthy people obtain good drugs through private doctors legally at least here in the UK. I know this used to be true in the US too but not anymore. Over here though there's no DEA and not much regulation on private docs because only rich people can afford em so if you're rich you can basically go to a luxury Harley Street pill mill.

I could see a private doc this week and get benzos, opiates, or stims easily just gotta see the right specialist and say the right things. I'd say stims are the easiest to get. Opiates somewhere in the middle. Benzos most difficult. Or if you have a proper dodgy doctor then everything is for sale.

Then you got working class types who obviously can't afford that, they're more likely to just hit the booze instead because it's cheap and readily accessible. Maybe a bit of occasional coke on the weekends type thing as well.

 

[DoriansDelorean]

Wilson Wilson, sounds like the situation the states were in like a decade ago; back then pain management clinics were prescribing people thousands of pills a month. It was basicallly a legal source.
And Dalpat Haha I knew it was that! I had to watch that shit in a rehab.
And I dunno I mean Aldous Huxley decided to die while IVing lsd I’ve often thought about a dab then heroes dose LsD+ speed + then OD on non fentanyl cut heroin
Pm me bro we sound like we’re cut from

 

[geekgrl]

I've done most drugs, benzos and opiates are my down falls.

 

[dopamimetic]

And I dunno I mean Aldous Huxley decided to die while IVing lsd I’ve often thought about a dab then heroes dose LsD+ speed + then OD on non fentanyl cut heroin

I'd prefer a dissociative, some of them feel like it'd be possible to break free off the biological body and ascend a level in God's game. I've had that 'movie about your life plays in front of you' phenomen twice on them and recent evidence suggests that your brain is basically offline during a 'hole' but people experience and remember clearly so there is something going on. Otherwise, for sure heroin. Nobody wants to die on a substance which intensifies everything, really.

 

[geekgrl]

I wouldn't even want to do Ketamine. The K-Hole sounds fucking terrifying.

Ia complete sideline but t took me ages to fully appreciate a hole, but I hate snorting the stuff it mings, plus can't ever quite get the dosage right without trial and error.... Eurgh it just mings and hurts my nose I'm a winp when it comes to snorting anything but coke. I couldn't have a problem with ket but I have known people and also have a good ket habit. Replaced H with that.

 

[geekgrl]

Pregabalin used to be uncontrolled and handed out like sweets in the UK until 2019 when Pfizer's patent expired. Only then did it become a controlled drug. As a result we now have a lot of pregabalin addiction. Purely because of $$$ absolutely. Gotta push whatever new shit Pfizer tells us to!

Withdrawal from pregabalin is, imo, worse than benzo withdrawal. Anyone using gabapentinoids thinking they're less addictive than benzos is sorely mistaken.

Oh fab. That sounds fun, thanks NHS! Oh 600mg for 4 years and everyone says it will be awful

 

[geekgrl]

Im just wondering this being on a one off 2mg alprozam for fun. I can't describe which one I enjoy best. Probably IV H but if it was benzos vs oral opiates I would struggle to decide. The problem for me is I function on opiates where as benzos fuck me up and I lose my memory and freak everyone out. No one knew about my opiate habit I was just a bit smashed or tired

 

[geekgrl]

Gabapentin is an amazing enhancer.. as in I love stimulants with gabapentin, opioids, kratom, weed... everything ! I remember one time I wastefully kept stacking my friend's leftover gabapentin (she hated it and gave me her script lol), and it was almost like a clean version of being drunk. No anxiety whatsoever, but not dysfunctional or a zombie like on benzodiazepines. I'd define the effects of gabapentinoids as a stimulant benzo.. although some people say it slows their cognitive abilities and makes them sleepy. I don't know why this occurs or if anyone can share something similar, but food on benzos/gabapentin tastes incredible! I always end up going on a binge eating rampage when I'm on either kind of drug. Luckily I'm not fat so I can afford to do so. Man I kind of actually miss benzos and gabapentin now that I'm thinking about it. Someone zan me up help a homeboy up jk Anxiety is so shitty to deal with though. I understand people being dependent on anxiety-killing drugs. The problem with them though is that the rebound anxiety is devastatingly horrible. I've only experienced it from relying on ativan for an opiate withdrawal episode and having random panic attacks here and there which I don't experience in any other kind of scenario. Of course anxiety tends to hit most people in waves, and even people who struggle with anxiety hardcore have good days without benzos where they don't experience it. However, I feel like relying on xanax/klonopin never ends well for anyone unless they have an extraordinary doctor that tapers them down effortlessly. I noticed that socializing on the regular does alleviate social anxiety. ironic right?

I'm intreagued at what dosages it potentiates and if you are also uring it therapeutically on a regular basis? I've just felt weird not myself for 4 yrs on 600mg but no, the opiates r the evil ones they try to cut me down

 

[geekgrl]

The crushing depression opiates give makes me have irrational thoughts at times.... I've felt suicidal on a few ocassions on day 3-4 of a heavy morphine coldturkey.

Ye that's one if my first big effects I struggled with but luckily not for long when I drop dosage quickly. It lasts for me only 3 or 4 days. I minimise it by alwsys try taper a bit
i'musedd to getting crippling depression, Im on amazing stable meds, a good dose of venlafaxine, armed with years of mentsl health thsrapy. I can pull myself out of it and deal with that ok, I find the lack of motvation and boredom during this epidemic the hardest to deal with.

I think benzos and opiates are easier to do for extended periods of time, often introduced medically. The rates of use to addiction are so much more statistically higher. I'm so lucky I've never been through a benzo withdrawal but it's a drug I've done a lot and has made me lose a lot more than opiates have. I find them harder to function on while on 3 years of heroin I got so much shit done as it was self funded and didn't know dodgy folk and literally less than 5 people know.

 

[geekgrl]

Can anyone else compare cold turkey ssri withdraw to opiate benzo withdrawl. I'm interested in opinions. I jumped off 20mg citalopram and it was awful, I tthought worse than what I've experienced on other drugs.

 

[Gormur]

I don't know why people would include benzodiazepines in a list with alcohol, opioids and recreational substances. Barbiturates and benzodiazepines are addictive, as in after a short amount of time you can't stop taking them without physical withdrawal

I hesitate to say that alcohol isn't physically addictive but in certain people it could be, not for everybody though

I find tobacco addicting but I'm not going to die if I don't pinch it

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

Yep I work in an office (well not right now, but you know...) full of people making six figures or more and I would be shocked if at least some of them didn't have some type of drug habit. Likely legally through private doctors, because wealthy people don't need to use dealers for benzos/opiates/stims.

Basically I see this as a class issue, if you got enough $$$ to just keep getting your DOC on script every month even if it's 80mg oxys or some shit there's no reason people around you would notice you're on anything assuming you're sensible with your doses in public (not taking enough to nod at work etc) unless they know the subtle signs to look for. I've seen a few peeps with pinned pupils. Maybe I'm just imagining things, maybe not.

But I can tell you for certain plenty of wealthy people obtain good drugs through private doctors legally at least here in the UK. I know this used to be true in the US too but not anymore. Over here though there's no DEA and not much regulation on private docs because only rich people can afford em so if you're rich you can basically go to a luxury Harley Street pill mill.

I could see a private doc this week and get benzos, opiates, or stims easily just gotta see the right specialist and say the right things. I'd say stims are the easiest to get. Opiates somewhere in the middle. Benzos most difficult. Or if you have a proper dodgy doctor then everything is for sale.

Then you got working class types who obviously can't afford that, they're more likely to just hit the booze instead because it's cheap and readily accessible. Maybe a bit of occasional coke on the weekends type thing as well.

I wish I was filthy Epstein rich so I could afford a life-long legal addiction of dilauded, oxycodone, morphine, methadone, and adderall.

Just kidding. Kind of? Difficult to tell if that life would be the best or god awful. Probably both. Either way lol--at least it's not booze.

 

[geekgrl]

There was one time where I had to quit Prozac cold turkey (the reason being irrelevant really). This was after about a two year stint on 40mg per day. Only glorious side effect I remember was having the most vivid dreams (nice dreams not nightmares i.e. the kind of dreams you wish were for real) (and in 4K HD felt like too I might add! Lol!). Never felt anything else i.e. no other side effects that I remember. Let me be clear that on this particular stint I had only been taking Prozac alone i.e. no benzos. as on other occasions with Prozac. But even on those other occasions: just quitting Prozac did nothing really. Coming off the benzos. at the same time was a whole other story.

You were lucky, prozac has a long half life. I spent 4 days not being able to move or look at anything without throwing up, coupled with the severe depression I have never felt so bad in my life. Till I started my new meds

 

[geekgrl]

As a more general comment, I think psychological dependence, even with the physically addictive drugs, is a lot stronger and a hard thing to beat.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

As a more general comment, I think psychological dependence, even with the physically addictive drugs, is a lot stronger and a hard thing to beat.

Agreed. Even if someone who never liked opiates was tied to a chair daily and forced to take it for months was suddenly withdrawing cold turkey they would feel god awful, but imo be more inclined to just walk away in the grand scheme of things over someone who has always had a psychological thrill for opiates.

 

[geekgrl]

I would give up opiates benzos, every drug I have ever had but weed..... I can't even manage half a day! That's psychological shit more than physical. We condition ourselves to it to cope with whatever.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

Ive seen all kinda addicts. Relatively speaking stim heads are the crappiest person (no heroin addicts over here). Pill heads do everything. Benzos daily ? now thats another beast.