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Misc Are benzos and opiates more addictive compared to other drugs?

Lyrica made me borderline btw. It fucked u my brain for the rest of my life

I know what you mean, though. I have "mild to moderate cortico damage" or something meaning brain damage. Partly from gaba-drugs and partly from alcohol withdrawal.
Oh, yeah, ALL alcohol withdrawal causes brain damage every time, even if the wd is mild.
 
But I havent had bad alcohol wds so I dont really know about it. And you used to drink fucking alot so I cant really relate to it. Im just saying that lyrica wds feel like your soul is dying,
 
It involved messed up levels of neurotransmitters - including Gaba - so yeah, messing with gaba meds would make it worse.

You should be able to get long-term gabaergics for BPD because my GABA levels are VERY low and have been since puberty so I do legit need something that increases them. Looking back it is 100% why I became an alcoholic.
 
It might take some time but I sure as hell want gabepentin or lyrica with my to be mine adhd meds, Dont wanna touch benzos ever again,
 
If I recall about two years ago gabapentin was pretty much given out for the most mild symptoms and now people have a whole plethora if issues from gaba/lyrica. I'm pretty surprised they did not do enough testing before greatly distributing a substance with a serious withdrawal and not care about any of the consequences. Probably because of $. Now gabapentin is pretty hard to get a doctor to prescribe you.. In some places it might be easier to get morphine tablets over gabapentin. I have been wondering for some time now if I'd like to be on it for mild anxiety but then after all the posts dictating what a hell it is to get off the drug I've been thinking to just not. It's just every day I've taken low dose gaba it's been the best day.
 
Pregabalin used to be uncontrolled and handed out like sweets in the UK until 2019 when Pfizer's patent expired. Only then did it become a controlled drug. As a result we now have a lot of pregabalin addiction. Purely because of $$$ absolutely. Gotta push whatever new shit Pfizer tells us to!

Withdrawal from pregabalin is, imo, worse than benzo withdrawal. Anyone using gabapentinoids thinking they're less addictive than benzos is sorely mistaken.
 
I wouldn't even want to do Ketamine. The K-Hole sounds fucking terrifying.
It's nice :) at least what I've achieved. Never ever managed it into a true hole, independent of how much I took but what I can tell is your anxiety says goodbye much below.. :) to me psychedelics, ego-death sound terrifying but I guess it's a matter of taste? I've experienced to be one with the universe too on dissos but differently..
 
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It's nice :) at least what I've achieved. Never ever managed it into a true hole, independent of how much I took but what I can tell is your anxiety says goodbye much below.. :) to me psychedelics, ego-death sound terrifying but I guess it's a matter of taste? I've experienced to be one with the universe too on dissos but differently..

Yeah, me too, that's why I rarely do psychs and only low-dose when I do. I enjoy DXM but never dosed past the second plateau.
I'd probably enjoy low doses of K.
 
If you're scared of psychedelics then the dissoverse's for sure for you .. as I said, when aiming for the hole, it's not like on DXM, you're leaving every and all your anxieties right below the door ... there is no such concept as fear in dissoverse, it's strange to explain..
 
Pregabalin used to be uncontrolled and handed out like sweets in the UK until 2019 when Pfizer's patent expired. Only then did it become a controlled drug. As a result we now have a lot of pregabalin addiction. Purely because of $$$ absolutely. Gotta push whatever new shit Pfizer tells us to!

Withdrawal from pregabalin is, imo, worse than benzo withdrawal. Anyone using gabapentinoids thinking they're less addictive than benzos is sorely mistaken.

How can it be worse than benzo withdrawal? I didn't believe it was possible for patients to seize out from gabapentin use until users started posting about it. I hope they develop a better system of drugs for combating anxiety so users don't have to worry about dying or unbelievably painful withdrawal symptoms for simply wanting to feel like a normal human being. Seems that any drug that affects gaba is almost not worth it.

Also what is the "k hole?" Lol. I thought ketamine was incredibly hard to overdose on.
 
How can it be worse than benzo withdrawal? I didn't believe it was possible for patients to seize out from gabapentin use until users started posting about it. I hope they develop a better system of drugs for combating anxiety so users don't have to worry about dying or unbelievably painful withdrawal symptoms for simply wanting to feel like a normal human being. Seems that any drug that affects gaba is almost not worth it.

Also what is the "k hole?" Lol. I thought ketamine was incredibly hard to overdose on.

I was scripted pregabalin (Lyrica) for about a month and had to taper for weeks yet despite being tapered I was unable to sleep for two weeks without using benzos, I had constant rebound anxiety, flu symptoms similar to opiate withdrawal, I was depressed the whole time, I kept disassociating, I felt like I had an IQ of 50 the whole fucking time and kept forgetting everything.

This was not from abuse, this was from being prescribed it by a psychiatrist and using it as prescribed. In fact towards the end I actually used less than the scripted dose because the dipshit psychiatrist kept trying to increase it despite me complaining of side effects.

On the other hand I also used Xanax for a good few years. I kept my doses sensible, as I did with pregabalin, and tended to have a tolerance break every month or two. Other than a bit of rebound during the breaks I got no real withdrawals at all from this type of use. My doses were usually 0.5-1mg a day, sometimes 2mg for panic attacks, but never exceeding any therapeutic limit.

When I ran out of my huge supply (had hundreds of bars stashed for years) I tapered down fully and again it was relatively painless. Rebound for about a week. Weed helped me sleep. It was pretty easy.

Pregabalin was by far the worse drug to come off.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand benzo withdrawal can be far more severe than what I experienced, but the vast majority of such cases involve abuse of high doses. I got severe pregabalin withdrawal from one month of prescribed use.

To give another anecdote, I had a friend prescribed the max dose of 600mg for a longer period of time, somewhere between six months and a year. He had to actually go to hospital to be tapered off because he legit experienced seizures and psychosis from pregabalin withdrawal.

Just please believe me for the sake of the holy HR gods, pregabalin is not a safe alternative to benzos. Only Pfizer PR says this. Ask a doctor who has seen patients have to wean themselves off it and they will tell you a very different story.

Here is a BBC documentary on pregabalin addiction in Northern Ireland. At the end a doctor tapers one of the guys off his prescribed 600mg dose and he has to be scripted a wide range of "comfort meds" from Seroquel to temazepam just to get him off the shit while still being able to sleep and without having seizures. At the beginning they show the prescribed guy going into withdrawals after running out of his script too. Mirrors my experience. Confusion, anxiety, flu symptoms.

 
How can it be worse than benzo withdrawal? I didn't believe it was possible for patients to seize out from gabapentin use until users started posting about it. I hope they develop a better system of drugs for combating anxiety so users don't have to worry about dying or unbelievably painful withdrawal symptoms for simply wanting to feel like a normal human being. Seems that any drug that affects gaba is almost not worth it.

Also what is the "k hole?" Lol. I thought ketamine was incredibly hard to overdose on.

K-Hole isn't an overdose, it's like a hole or a doorway your mind falls into when you take a certain amount. I'm not the best to explain it since I haven't experienced it.
 
Even if I don't feel I'm addicted to either of them for me they work correspondingly in causing a domino effect where I need more and more benzos again just to maintain a distance from opiates and vice versa that's just not fun at all.
 
Pregabalin used to be uncontrolled and handed out like sweets in the UK until 2019 when Pfizer's patent expired. Only then did it become a controlled drug. As a result we now have a lot of pregabalin addiction. Purely because of $$$ absolutely. Gotta push whatever new shit Pfizer tells us to!

Withdrawal from pregabalin is, imo, worse than benzo withdrawal. Anyone using gabapentinoids thinking they're less addictive than benzos is sorely mistaken.
Someone offered me them when I was dry saying they are not addictive and will just make me feel better, after reading your comment I'm glad I listened to my instinct and didn't take them
 
Yeah, but SNRI and SSRI have horrific physical addiction aswell.
I personally think Pregabalin and Effexor are way worse.
 
Even if I don't feel I'm addicted to either of them for me they work correspondingly in causing a domino effect where I need more and more benzos again just to maintain a distance from opiates and vice versa that's just not fun at all.

I very much identify with this.

"I'm low on benzos so I can take more opioids."
"I'm almost out of opioids, so I need to compensate with more benzos."
Then when I have both: "Cool I have my 2 favs I'm gonna combine them!"

When I was heavily addicted to both, dependency was just compounded continuously.
 
Never had a psychological addiction to benzos, but I could see how if one is plagued by anxiety it would be your go-to DOC.

I've never understood why xanax is a glorified street drug. I suppose because benzos along-side a blunt is nice, but benzos don't necessarily have a social context to them. You're not going to be going to a party where everyone is benzo'd out like how socially MDMA, weed, alcohol, or LSD is something people enjoy partaking in with others. I think that either one's drug of choice is dependent on their brain chemistry, personality, or both. If you go around on the message boards, even though it's an online environment people tend to behave similarly depending on the specific drug forum you're on. Crack board threads tend to be very hostile, lol.
 
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