Anyone ever had an unlimited opioids script?

[MatthiasG]

I was constipated and had bloody, painful movements towards the end of being on 16mg Suboxone. This continued for a long time, until I started using heavy laxatives. This is usually the consequence of using opioids daily.

Metamucil works more than adequately even for heavy users. It’s a matter of how much. It blows my mind when people accept constipation w such easy solution

 

[MatthiasG]

I was a nurse in a pain clinic. The only nurse for the doctor writing crazy amounts of opioids. He would go on vacation for 3 weeks at a time twice a year, he would leave me like 5 signed rx pads to write everyone’s oxy based meds cause I could just call in hydrocodone.

Yeah im not a nurse anymore…

Sucks. Sorry to hear it. But, you shoulda said no Re vacation covering.

 

[Psychlone Jack]

Metamucil works more than adequately even for heavy users. It’s a matter of how much. It blows my mind when people accept constipation w such easy solution

Sorry but the ONLY thing that worked for me - aside from a weekly macrodose of laxatives that would have me questioning my farts for the next two days - was lowering the amount of bupe in my bloodstream. 16mg/day was killing me with complications, period, and fiber in any amount proved wholly useless.

I'm not trying to be a dick, it may work wonders for some, I hope it does and it won't kill you to try it, but unfortunately it isn't an instant fix for everybody.

 

[Aquard]

That’s nice but what sickens me is that if you’re about to put a bullet in your head from chronic pain and have all the records to prove it they still won’t prescribe you shit.

At least that’s what Canadians in r/chronicpain say on Reddit.

Similar to the US…drug addicts get massive amounts of opioids prescribed to them and the people that are suffering immensely with injury and disease get told to kick rocks

Actually that’s not entirely true. I’m in Ontario and I have a genetic disorder that causes me extreme chronic pain condition and I get a really good dose of Kadian 600mg and Dilaudid 80mg everyday, plus I can call my doctor anytime during the week to get a 2mg IV Dilaudid dose (max. 3 per day). I saw a pain doctor a while ago at a pain management clinic for a bit then I got my new GP, she’s a nurse practitioner and is amazing.

I think those people might have actually been put on some list or haven’t done the required exploratory stuff with their doctors if they’re being denied pain meds because I don’t know anyone who was flat out told no after complaining about chronic pain and to just take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.

 

[Jen X]

Actually that’s not entirely true. I’m in Ontario and I have a genetic disorder that causes me extreme chronic pain condition and I get a really good dose of Kadian 600mg and Dilaudid 80mg everyday, plus I can call my doctor anytime during the week to get a 2mg IV Dilaudid dose (max. 3 per day). I saw a pain doctor a while ago at a pain management clinic for a bit then I got my new GP, she’s a nurse practitioner and is amazing.

I think those people might have actually been put on some list or haven’t done the required exploratory stuff with their doctors if they’re being denied pain meds because I don’t know anyone who was flat out told no after complaining about chronic pain and to just take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.

I know a guy who had broken ribs and was sent home with tramadol and i'm in Ontario. I have MS and my family doctor flat out refused to give me anything and sent me to a neurologist. I had to buy off the street for the 4 month wait. They are defiantly cutting down with prescriptions. At my old methadone clinic there were seniors going there for pain management which is disgusting imo.
New doctors don't want to prescribe like they used to.
You may not know anyone that has a problem getting them but trust me many people are suffering

 

[Parabolan]

I know a guy who had broken ribs and was sent home with tramadol and i'm in Ontario. I have MS and my family doctor flat out refused to give me anything and sent me to a neurologist. I had to buy off the street for the 4 month wait. They are defiantly cutting down with prescriptions. At my old methadone clinic there were seniors going there for pain management which is disgusting imo.
New doctors don't want to prescribe like they used to.
You may not know anyone that has a problem getting them but trust me many people are suffering

I had a broken rib and was given Tylenol 3. When I started arguing with the doctor he gave me a script for Tramadol! I went home and took out of my own supply of Dilaudid to ease the pain!

I live in Alberta by the way.

 

[Jen X]

I had a broken rib and was given Tylenol 3. When I started arguing with the doctor he gave me a script for Tramadol! I went home and took out of my own supply of Dilaudid to ease the pain!

I live in Alberta by the way.

It's like they treat everyone as an addict. Even addicts need pain relief. It's very odd that you can walk into a methadone clinic and get strong painkillers but if you're in pain due to medical reasons you get nothing.
I'm not mocking safe supply just seems a bit backwards

 

[Aquard]

I know a guy who had broken ribs and was sent home with tramadol and i'm in Ontario. I have MS and my family doctor flat out refused to give me anything and sent me to a neurologist. I had to buy off the street for the 4 month wait. They are defiantly cutting down with prescriptions. At my old methadone clinic there were seniors going there for pain management which is disgusting imo.
New doctors don't want to prescribe like they used to.
You may not know anyone that has a problem getting them but trust me many people are suffering

That’s because you’re going to your family doctor. Also I’m not sure where you live but if it’s rural, you might have to come into the city. And why is it disgusting that people were going to a methadone clinic for pain management, when it’s the same type of doctors that work there if there is no separate PM clinic?

 

[Jen X]

That’s because you’re going to your family doctor. Also I’m not sure where you live but if it’s rural, you might have to come into the city. And why is it disgusting that people were going to a methadone clinic for pain management, when it’s the same type of doctors that work there if there is no separate PM clinic?

Family doctors can control pain until you see a specialist.
I'm in Toronto, not rual
And yes sending an 80 year old to a methadone clinic is wrong

 

[deficiT]

I know I responded to this back when OP was made, but this concept is basically just maintenance. Methadone or Suboxone. That is an unlimited supply of opioids. Either that or you're terminally ill or in hospice. Or just use an affordable and plentiful version of opioids like kratom or poppy tea. Or sell heroin/fent enough to provide for your own habit. But that comes with a long list of other complications.

I think these are basically the only ways to have an unlimited supply. It might not be exactly the best case scenarios for any of it, but I'd love to hear differently from someone if they have an other idea. The worst part about opioid addiction is the withdrawal and possibilities of overdose. Otherwise they are very safe drugs on the body, unlike coke/meth or alcohol. Unless you are injecting them.

 

[Parabolan]

If you move to Afghanistan or to the Golden Triangle, you can have access to pure H for the rest of your life.

 

[Jen X]

If you move to Afghanistan or to the Golden Triangle, you can have access to pure H for the rest of your life.

Some of those countries have pretty harsh sentences for drugs so I'll keep myself in Canada lol

 

[Parabolan]

Some of those countries have pretty harsh sentences for drugs so I'll keep myself in Canada lol

Yeah, I guess I will stick to the maple leaf country too for now. Lol

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Actually that’s not entirely true. I’m in Ontario and I have a genetic disorder that causes me extreme chronic pain condition and I get a really good dose of Kadian 600mg and Dilaudid 80mg everyday, plus I can call my doctor anytime during the week to get a 2mg IV Dilaudid dose (max. 3 per day). I saw a pain doctor a while ago at a pain management clinic for a bit then I got my new GP, she’s a nurse practitioner and is amazing.

I think those people might have actually been put on some list or haven’t done the required exploratory stuff with their doctors if they’re being denied pain meds because I don’t know anyone who was flat out told no after complaining about chronic pain and to just take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.

That’s great to hear.

I’m looking to permanently leave the US over this at some point as I age or my doctor dies eventually.

I had written off Canada completely….but when I heard about safe supply for addicts that piqued my interest…but I would imagine you get some sort of Scarlett letter or record for using safe supply similar to how if you use a methadone clinic in the US you will never get pain meds again in your life

Ideally my issue is pain and I want to be a pain patient not an addiction patient. I kick methadone (scripted for pain) every time my pain lets me and i would love to be done with it permanently but my disease is permanent also so I it will always come back and hit me with pain catastrophes for life.

But I hate methadone as a pain med because it is so much harder to kick than oxy or fentanyl patches (I do love that a single larger dose (20 mg or so) can give me pain relief for up to 36 hours though)…but the only thing you’ll ever get in America these days for pain is bupe and maybe methadone if your doctor is tight with you

 

[Parabolan]

That’s great to hear.

I’m looking to permanently leave the US over this at some point as I age or my doctor dies eventually.

I had written off Canada completely….but when I heard about safe supply for addicts that piqued my interest…but I would imagine you get some sort of Scarlett letter or record for using safe supply similar to how if you use a methadone clinic in the US you will never get pain meds again in your life

Ideally my issue is pain and I want to be a pain patient not an addiction patient. I kick methadone (scripted for pain) every time my pain lets me and i would love to be done with it permanently but my disease is permanent also so I it will always come back and hit me with pain catastrophes for life.

But I hate methadone as a pain med because it is so much harder to kick than oxy or fentanyl patches (I do love that a single larger dose (20 mg or so) can give me pain relief for up to 36 hours though)…but the only thing you’ll ever get in America these days for pain is bupe and maybe methadone if your doctor is tight with you

Do you find that methadone helps with your pain though?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Do you find that methadone helps with your pain though?

Definitely. It’s not great for extremely severe pain but for mild to moderate chronic pain it’s great.



It ain’t fentanyl patches or anything. Those were the best medication for severe pain I’ve ever tried even lower dosages.

A drawback is that it takes about 90 minutes to start working so you have to wait in pain for a while or take it in advance.

It’s not euphoric at all, has somewhat of a dirty feel to it and also so very little abuse potential to waste it and it lasts so long keeping you out of withdrawal even if the dose has worn off analgesia wise it still keeps you well so you don’t have to waste more pain drugs when you aren’t in pain just to stay well so it’s very easy to conserve it.

I find tapering on it to be very easy. I can go from 20 mg per day down to 2.5 mg per day pretty easily in 1 to 2 weeks…but like I said the Final Cut off at the end when you go cold turkey it is a more difficult wi to drawl than fentanyl or oxy for sure

 

[Parabolan]

Definitely. It’s not great for extremely severe pain but for mild to moderate chronic pain it’s great.



It ain’t fentanyl patches or anything. Those were the best medication for severe pain I’ve ever tried even lower dosages.

A drawback is that it takes about 90 minutes to start working so you have to wait in pain for a while or take it in advance.

It’s not euphoric at all, has somewhat of a dirty feel to it and also so very little abuse potential to waste it and it lasts so long keeping you out of withdrawal even if the dose has worn off analgesia wise it still keeps you well so you don’t have to waste more pain drugs when you aren’t in pain just to stay well so it’s very easy to conserve it.

I find tapering on it to be very easy. I can go from 20 mg per day down to 2.5 mg per day pretty easily in 1 to 2 weeks…but like I said the Final Cut off at the end when you go cold turkey it is a more difficult wi to drawl than fentanyl or oxy for sure

Have you thought about subs instead?

 

[Aquard]

That’s great to hear.

I’m looking to permanently leave the US over this at some point as I age or my doctor dies eventually.

I had written off Canada completely….but when I heard about safe supply for addicts that piqued my interest…but I would imagine you get some sort of Scarlett letter or record for using safe supply similar to how if you use a methadone clinic in the US you will never get pain meds again in your life

Ideally my issue is pain and I want to be a pain patient not an addiction patient. I kick methadone (scripted for pain) every time my pain lets me and i would love to be done with it permanently but my disease is permanent also so I it will always come back and hit me with pain catastrophes for life.

But I hate methadone as a pain med because it is so much harder to kick than oxy or fentanyl patches (I do love that a single larger dose (20 mg or so) can give me pain relief for up to 36 hours though)…but the only thing you’ll ever get in America these days for pain is bupe and maybe methadone if your doctor is tight with you

No you won’t be put on some list to never get pain meds again. Canada isn’t the US.

 

[Aquard]

Family doctors can control pain until you see a specialist.
I'm in Toronto, not rual
And yes sending an 80 year old to a methadone clinic is wrong

Why is it wrong if the doctor specializes in the crossover? And likely the doctor doesn’t just work at that clinic h they have a private practice. I’m also in Toronto. I can DM you where they can go to get their pain medication if you’d like.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Why is it wrong if the doctor specializes in the crossover? And likely the doctor doesn’t just work at that clinic h they have a private practice. I’m also in Toronto. I can DM you where they can go to get their pain medication if you’d like.

No pain doctors whatsoever prescribe anymore in the US is super rare. I live in a city with 3.5 million ppl and have been told by sympathetic specialist the inside scoop of what happened in our are…the most politically liberal in the US too It’s only primary care doctor that write. If you live in a conservative state forget all of it.

Why would a doctor than can make ten times more injecting ppls spines with steroids even waste and risk his time writing narcotics in our police state?

I’ve been rejected from every single pain management doctor ever because even with mud surgeries and records my disease isn’t back or joint related so they can’t inject me and make bank. Only primary care doctors have scripted for me.

Back when I had a back surgery though I had no I issue getting into pain specialists tho despite it being at the worst of the crackdown

And the quid pro quo was understood to be “if you don’t get these injections forever constantly we write you no drugs, because you must not be in that much pain if you don’t want monthly steroid spine injections for life”