Am I a bad person?

[jammin83]

So, gays are bad, or something? Child cartoon pedophile porn okay? Condemning an unborn child for his sexual preference?

 

[LearntYoung]

There is a really simple solution to this vision that is narrowed through religion. All you have to do is go to a store where they sell calendars/agendas. If you've found either one, you'll have to study the front. There should be 4 numbers. These four numbers either represent the current year and/or the upcoming year, depending on the agenda and current date. Anyway, read that number out loud a few times and it should sink in.

It's 2015, almost 2016 for fuck's sake! Mankind should be way more intelligent and develop than to blindly trust and follow the judgement written in a centuries old book, that back then, gave the people a feeling of safety and satisfaction by 'explaining' the unknown. Back then, I could've respected the believe in the book, but in 2015, a lot of the events described are proven to be false and for natural phenomena, there are scientific theories that not only prove them, but in many cases present a method of calculating the outcome of the same phenomenon with different variables.

Believing any religion in this day and age is in my opinion the biggest possible insult to science. The same science that made our current medical care, space exploration, computer development, mass production, and basically everything that ensures you live a safe and comfortable life possible. Try living without everything you've got because of modern day science, because that was what life was like when someone came up with the guidelines and morals you blindly obey in a completely evolved society.

Oh yeah, the answer to your question:
Yes.

 

[drug_mentor]

Also, my ideology doesn't promote any suffering.

That is not the impression I got from the following quote:

I wanna find another young boy at the age of 12 on this site, who may read what I've said about torture and about sexual shame, and copy my actions. That way if one child could discover the joy and pride of improving ones self, then it's okay, even if 5 kids commit suicide as a result of stress and pain. Because nothing one person does to themselves is objectively wrong.
Suicide is a perfectly okay response to finding out your gay.... or for spilling milk. As long as the person does it to themselves, it's never wrong.

Honestly OP, you need help. I don't say this to be mean or condescending, but in this thread you have promoted behaviours which are destructive both towards yourself, and towards other people (including victims of child sex abuse). I don't want to say you are a bad person, because I don't know you, but honestly, if you shared these views with the majority of society they would be very quick to condemn you as a bad person.

I think you should reconsider your views on homosexuality, self torture, and weird child rape cartoons. You should also seek mental help from a psychiatrist or something. Wanting to influence young children to hurt themselves is not normal, it is a seriously strange and disturbing outlook.

 

[nuttynutskin]

OP seems to have some weird obsession with gay people and pedophiles among other things.

OP, were you ever molested as a young child?

Wondering the same thing because this shit reads to me like someone who was indeed badly sexually molested.

 

[Ninae]

I think this comes across just as much as self-judgement as of anyone else. Are you really trying to ask if you're going to hell or are socially acceptable (your hypocrisy included). Or, to put it another way, do you think it makes sense?

 

[psychedelicsoul]

That is not the impression I got from the following quote:



Honestly OP, you need help. I don't say this to be mean or condescending, but in this thread you have promoted behaviours which are destructive both towards yourself, and towards other people (including victims of child sex abuse). I don't want to say you are a bad person, because I don't know you, but honestly, if you shared these views with the majority of society they would be very quick to condemn you as a bad person.

I think you should reconsider your views on homosexuality, self torture, and weird child rape cartoons. You should also seek mental help from a psychiatrist or something. Wanting to influence young children to hurt themselves is not normal, it is a seriously strange and disturbing outlook.

Listen... if they think that being gay is bad, then they're bad people for being gay.
Morality is subjective and non-existent.
They're not objectively destructive. And fuck society and fuck what society thinks. Society is the biggest threat to freedom. The freedom of thought should transcend society and transcend the feelings of others.

Why do I support suicide? Becuase morality is subjective
Why do I support tortuing yourself to change sexuality? Because if one doesn't like ones sexuality, then they should change
Why do I think homosexuality is wrong? Well, I think that it's wrong if you think it is. Since something in my head tells me it's wrong, I shouldn't need logic or reason. If it feels wrong, it is wrong. There is no objective "wrong".
My outlook might be strange, but I have it for a good reason.
NOBODY... whether it's a scientist, psychiatrist, or family should tell one person what's "right" for them.

So, gays are bad, or something? Child cartoon pedophile porn okay? Condemning an unborn child for his sexual preference?

If you feel like I do, you're correct. If you feel the opposite, then you're correct.

 

[Smiley91]

To the OP. I honestly believe u think of yourself as a God. You think it's acceptable to influence people who are figuring themselves out (including children!) to choose suicide rather than to accept who they are as a human being... Then imo you are the worst possible person. What gives you that right? Is it the fact you get a kick out of child porn?... And you have the nerve to say you would teach your kids to be like you?...I PRAY that u don't have any children.

It sounds to me like you are in severe denial, and are deluding yourself trying to run from your guilt of liking men and little boys.... That's if u have the ability to feel guilt anyway which I doubt due to your relaxed acceptance of viewing children as sexual objects.

I am fuming and wish I hadn't read this now but I had to get that out. Please get help.

P.s. Youre a massive hypocrite IMO.

 

[Ninae]

Now I've read this whole thread through I think it turned out pretty sick and don't really have anything I want to say about it. Except from that I think the whole topic of child abuse is similar to the topic of torture, it's just not somewhere you'd like your mind to go for whatever reason, or lead others to dwell on. But I should hope that would be obvious.

When it comes to feeling attraction for the same sex, I find the female sex not so much sexually attractive as aestehetically pleasing to look at. I don't remember if it was Michelangelo or whoever who said "The straight line is human, the curved, divine". It just seems closer to divine geometry, which I love, or is just pleasing for your eyes to rest at. Or it's both more curved and of better proportion.

I also like feminine features, like high, arched eyebrows and large, round eyes in men. A combination of masculine/feminine is maybe the most attractive. While masculine features aren't really of any advantage to the female sex. Except some straight lines or angles can contribute to make it more interesting (feminine energy seems also seems to be more visually pleasing, but that's a bit harder to explain). And I find seeing God as an artist in that way really interesting. Although it's more like a mathemathic program that has been built into creation (when it works out it's great, when it fails not as much).

However, on the emotional level I find women completely boring. There's just no emotional charge there. It's funny how that works, and I think people who can actually be emotionally attracted to both sexes are something a bit different. I just respond to masculine energy with more "excitement" for some reason.

I guess because although I'm quite masculinly/femininely balanced I still lean more to the feminine side so I feel the attraction (of opposites) towards masculine energy. And, in the real world, the stronger the masculine energy, the higher the attraction, but the worse suited someone is as a partner. I guess men can feel the same about females as you're not compatible or can fulfill each other's needs that way (plus someone 100% masculine is not suited for a caring/romantic relationship or are lacking that element).

 

[Xorkoth]

The fact that you keep associating homosexuality with suicide is pretty telling IMO. Honestly OP, I don't think things are going to turn out very well for you unless you seriously examine your feelings and the reasons for them. Your posts and their evolution over the course of this thread scream of intense confusion and self-hatred. Consider that not a single person in this thread has responded positively to the totality of what you're saying. Presumably you came on here to find out what other people think about your viewpoints... I think you have your answer. Some of what you've written makes me feel nauseous, and a whole lot of it makes me feel sad.

I guess because although I'm quite masculinly/femininely balanced I still lean more to the feminine side so I feel the attraction (of opposites) towards masculine energy. And, in the real world, the stronger the masculine energy, the higher the attraction, but the worse suited someone is as a partner. I guess men can feel the same about females as you're not compatible or can fulfill each other's needs that way (plus someone 100% masculine is not suited for a caring/romantic relationship or are lacking that element).

Indeed, I really find myself not very attracted at all to women who have only feminine energy. I like women who like to get dirty and physical (I don't mean that in a sexual way) and who like to hang out with guys and who don't obsess over their looks. The all-estrogen thing wears me out and I don't find it fun to be around.

 

[Ninae]

Yes...this stuff is a bit complicated. There's a saying that goes once you've turned someone into who you want them to be (or more like yourself/your own gender) you no longer feel attracted to them.

It's a difficult balance, as you relate more to someone like yourself, but at the same time feel the strong attraction for someone more the opposite. But I've found all kind of combinations can actually work, or it's possible to get along with both more masculine and feminine men, it just works in a different way and you have to accept the way someone is as a person.

I just find it easier to relate to males on an intellectual level, or emotionally I'm not so much like the male sex. Many also seem to have fear of too masculine men or too feminine women. Being with someone more like yourself is less difficult, but more boring.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

To the OP. I honestly believe u think of yourself as a God. You think it's acceptable to influence people who are figuring themselves out (including children!) to choose suicide rather than to accept who they are as a human being... Then imo you are the worst possible person. What gives you that right? Is it the fact you get a kick out of child porn?... And you have the nerve to say you would teach your kids to be like you?...I PRAY that u don't have any children.

It sounds to me like you are in severe denial, and are deluding yourself trying to run from your guilt of liking men and little boys.... That's if u have the ability to feel guilt anyway which I doubt due to your relaxed acceptance of viewing children as sexual objects.

I am fuming and wish I hadn't read this now but I had to get that out. Please get help.

P.s. Youre a massive hypocrite IMO.

It's quite the opposite actually... You're the one acting like god by sying they shouldn't commit suicide. I don't think they "should" commit suicide unless they think that. Suicide, acceptance, and change are three answers to all of lifes situations and they're all equal. I'm not saying kids should automatically try to change their sexuality or commit suicide... But if that's how they feel, I have no right to say differently.
Morality is subjective, you're the one trying to say suicide is objectively wrong. You're the one acting like god.

You know what? I can't help liking lolicon anymore than gays can turn straight. MOD EDIT You're a fucking hypocrite. You call me a bigot for saying homosexuals should choose what's right for themselves and for personally finding homosexuality gross.
But you're condemning me for jerking off to an imaginary character? MOD EDIT

The fact that you keep associating homosexuality with suicide is pretty telling IMO. Honestly OP, I don't think things are going to turn out very well for you unless you seriously examine your feelings and the reasons for them. Your posts and their evolution over the course of this thread scream of intense confusion and self-hatred. Consider that not a single person in this thread has responded positively to the totality of what you're saying. Presumably you came on here to find out what other people think about your viewpoints... I think you have your answer. Some of what you've written makes me feel nauseous, and a whole lot of it makes me feel sad.

It's not my fault homosexuality can easilly be associated with suciide. It's gay peoples fault for offing themselves all the time. You think I have more sympathy for gay suicide victims than any other ones? Think again. Many people are bullied just as much as gays. From a legal standpoint, pot smokers have faced and are facing more persecution than gay people ever will. And don't give me that "It's because of people like you" bullshit. If religion and bullying is solely responsible for LGBT suicide, then the rates woudln't be so damn high. They're dropping themselves like flies, so if I associate homosexaulity with suicide, blame the lgbt kids for killing themselves all the time... I bet plenty of non-lgbt people kill themselves for better reasons, but never make it on the news.
The fact that LGBT people have such high rates of mental illness shouldn't be blamed `100% on christians. At some point, you have to recongize individual responsibility

However... My point is that I'm not judging them for it. If they wanna commit suicide, I, nor anyone else, has any right to tell them it's bad.
And the fact that I struggled with internalized homophobia is the reason why I can understand and respect the freedom to commit suicide.

Unless a kid is getting beat up regularly and is being sexually abused, I don't feel sorry for them if they kill themselves. Straight or gay, it doesn't matter. I've hated myself since I was little and I've been bullied since preschool. You think I'm gonna feel sorry for someone who pussies out of life after going through the same pain I did?

 

[ForEverAfter]

I don't think there's anything anybody can say to you that's going to change your mind.

This thread is self-serving.
You've already made up your mind.

I'll say this, though, just in case: it's never too late.
You don't have to be a bad person, or a pedophile.

You need to admit that child-pornography is wrong.
If need to admit it, for yourself. For your salvation.

Why have you avoided answering a bunch of questions, do you think?

Like: what is it (specifically) about children that you find sexually appealing?
Why does sex with a child appeal to you more than sex with an adult?
Don't pretend that you're not attracted to children, by hiding behind the fact that they're cartoons.
If there wasn't something about children that you find so appealing, you'd jerk off to adult cartoons.
So, what is it?

I think you need to explore the reasons you do this, rather than just saying "fuck you" to everyone.
Are you afraid of answering these questions? And, if so, what does that say to you?

Maybe you aren't totally comfortable with child-pornography?
(Your irrational defensiveness indicates an inner conflict.)

...

Don't you think child-pornography encourages sex offenders to offend?
They seem to think it does... So, if not, why do you think that is?

I can't help liking lolicon anymore than gays can turn straight.

You're contradicting yourself, here.
Didn't you say earlier that people change sexuality all the time?
And, didn't you say that you changed from having homosexual tendencies to being straight?

What you've written in this thread, as others have pointed out, is extremely inconsistent.
You're very confused, dude. I'm concerned about you. You need to seek help (IMO).

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I don't think there's anything anybody can say to you that's going to change your mind.

This thread is self-serving.
You've already made up your mind.

I'll say this, though, just in case: it's never too late.
You don't have to be a bad person, or a pedophile.

You need to admit that child-pornography is wrong.
If need to admit it, for yourself. For your salvation.

Why have you avoided answering a bunch of questions, do you think?

Like: what is it (specifically) about children that you find sexually appealing?
Why does sex with a child appeal to you more than sex with an adult?
Don't pretend that you're not attracted to children, by hiding behind the fact that they're cartoons.
If there wasn't something about children that you find so appealing, you'd jerk off to adult cartoons.
So, what is it?

I think you need to explore the reasons you do this, rather than just saying "fuck you" to everyone.
Are you afraid of answering these questions? And, if so, what does that say to you?

Maybe you aren't totally comfortable with child-pornography?
(Your irrational defensiveness indicates an inner conflict.)

...

Don't you think child-pornography encourages sex offenders to offend?
They seem to think it does... So, if not, why do you think that is?

What about cocks do gay people find attractive? Since when do peoples sexuality become some logical process?
Also, I don't fantasize about fucking loli's. I only watch yuri loli hentai. I'm attracted to them visually, but I never fantasize about

Maybe jerking off to lolis does encourage some people to go and molest kids... but why should I stop liking lolicon for that reason. That's like not watching your favorite movie because of a madman who tried to copy it. Your argument against lolicon is no different than what people say about video games.
Maybe it is "wrong" to like something, but not objectively. It's objectively wrong to molest kids... But what is gained by me not jerking off to pictures of lolis?
What if everyone stopped viewing lolicon?

Would less kids get molested? Would people stop being attracted to children? I am not harming children in anyway by looking at somebodies drawing... You think I'm bad because I wanna encourage people to change their sexuality, but you want me to do the same thing.

 

[Xorkoth]

It's not my fault homosexuality can easilly be associated with suciide. It's gay peoples fault for offing themselves all the time. You think I have more sympathy for gay suicide victims than any other ones? Think again. Many people are bullied just as much as gays. From a legal standpoint, pot smokers have faced and are facing more persecution than gay people ever will. And don't give me that "It's because of people like you" bullshit. If religion and bullying is solely responsible for LGBT suicide, then the rates woudln't be so damn high. They're dropping themselves like flies, so if I associate homosexaulity with suicide, blame the lgbt kids for killing themselves all the time... I bet plenty of non-lgbt people kill themselves for better reasons, but never make it on the news.
The fact that LGBT people have such high rates of mental illness shouldn't be blamed `100% on christians. At some point, you have to recongize individual responsibility

However... My point is that I'm not judging them for it. If they wanna commit suicide, I, nor anyone else, has any right to tell them it's bad.
And the fact that I struggled with internalized homophobia is the reason why I can understand and respect the freedom to commit suicide.

Unless a kid is getting beat up regularly and is being sexually abused, I don't feel sorry for them if they kill themselves. Straight or gay, it doesn't matter.

This has to be one of the most disgusting things I've heard someone say in quite a while. I've been resisting saying this, but dude, psychedelic soul? This has got to be one of the least psychedelic things from someone professing to be psychedelic that I've ever seen.

I am going to stop posting in this thread now because I'm getting heated about it.

I've hated myself since I was little

Okay here we get to the meat of things. I'm sorry you hate yourself man. For real. But maybe, please, consider that your hateful thought processes are not helping this and may in fact be a major cause, even if they arose because of your self-hate in the first place. If you open yourself up to the love of all people, you open up your heart to love, self-love and otherwise. If you invite hate into your heart, it becomes cold and angry. It's not necessary to feel the way you feel, it can't possibly bring you anything positive. You have the power to change it, but you have to want to, and you have to try. You mentioned earlier that you aren't religious anymore and these beliefs are left over from a religious upbringing. Why do you insist on clinging to them if you don't even follow the religion anymore?

 

[psychedelicsoul]

This has to be one of the most disgusting things I've heard someone say in quite a while. I've been resisting saying this, but dude, psychedelic soul? This has got to be one of the least psychedelic things from someone professing to be psychedelic that I've ever seen.

I am going to stop posting in this thread now because I'm getting heated about it.

What's more psychedelic than allowing one to choose thier own path in life? What's more psychedelic than saying, "Listen, this is your life, you have full individuality and free will, I shall not judge you for your expression of freedom"? What's not psychedelic is trying to objectively define what other people do as "right" or "Wrong" unless it effects you. If one chooses to take thier own life becuase they hate their sexuality, how's it your problem? And what right do you have to say it's a bad thing.
And how the hell am I supposed to feel sorry for someone if I personally feel thier reason for taking thier own life was stupid? I felt like killing myself too... would it have been bad if I did? To me it would, but the world would keep on turning... my death would have no impact on your life... and the impact it would have on my family isn't worth forsaking my own individuality.
Allowing someone to form their own ideals and live their life based on that is as psychedelic as it gets.
It's selfish for me to tell someone "You might feel terrible about your sexuality, and you might not be able to change, but you should be FORCED to live." Apparently the world around them is the one to determine if they should live or not? Are they born with some level of value that's entitled to them? Will the world blow up if they die? No, because they're dust in the wind, just like you and I. I believe their life is worth however much they think it's worth. Of course the world would disagree. Them killing themselves mgiht sadden others, but what if their parents and friends hated them for being gay? Would that make suicide right? It must if ones life is set value by others

Do you believe God will condemn them to hell? If so I understand what you mean. But if not.. then their just dead, unless god is nice enough to send them to heaven or cruel enough to send them to hell. And if there's no god, they're just dead. Their suffering ends, isn't that good? What objectively makes death bad?

 

[Xorkoth]

Nothing makes death bad, what's fucked up is the cavalier way you speak of suicide and then blame gay people for it. I don't believe there is a god at all in the theistic sense, who condemns anyone to anything. This isn't about their souls or about them at all, it's about the callous way you suggest that they are to blame, or that they should do it. It's easy to read between the lines about how you feel about this, even if you try to rationalize it away.

And are you serious with this? "how the hell am I supposed to feel sorry for someone if I personally feel their reason for taking their own life was stupid"... try having some common human empathy and decency. I don't care whether I think the reason someone killed themselves is stupid, I still feel bad for them that they had to go through the incredible amount of pain that causes someone to make that decision. For me, psychedelics increased my ability to empathize with other lifeforms, especially humans. But I see no empathy in your posts and it disturbs me. But I also realize that this is because of pain that you have deep inside of you that's blocking these feelings. Which is why I should stop posting in this thread. I just keep hoping that something I say might put a chink in your armor, I guess.

There's no reason anyone has to feel bad about their sexuality except for the fact that other people in their society condemn it and treat them like they have a problem. Left to their own devices, without receiving conflicting input from religion or fellow humans, a person will grow up and be attracted to who they're going to be attracted to, and it will just be what it is, some people are attracted to the same sex, and some people aren't. Some people are attracted to both, and some might fluctuate. It's just what's natural for them. So attitudes like yours directly cause this pain to be able to exist for them, it doesn't exist independently from this. Attitudes like these are the reason you experience pain at your own internal sexuality conflict too. You admitted that you had a religious upbringing that gave you these ideas (the same as millions of other people have suffered). Imagine a life where you were never told it was bad, and you could be free to experience yourself as you really are without judgment and guilt and shame. Such a thing is possible but not as long as people uphold ideas like the ones you've been describing, like the ones your religion insidiously instilled in you.

Good luck with your life, man. There's a lot you could be doing to make yourself happier and I think that understanding the root of your feelings you've expressed in this thread, understanding them, and dealing with them, is the place to start.

 

[swilow]

OP, please dial down the hostility. Please do not continue being that aggressive. I understand this is an emotional topic, but you aren't entitled to verbally abuse people.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

OP, please dial down the hostility. Please do not continue being that aggressive. I understand this is an emotional topic, but you aren't entitled to verbally abuse people.

I'm sorry... I just feel like I'm being judged for doing the only thing I could do to maintain some level of happiness. I'm sorry if I came across as aggresive in my language.

Nothing makes death bad, what's fucked up is the cavalier way you speak of suicide and then blame gay people for it. I don't believe there is a god at all in the theistic sense, who condemns anyone to anything. This isn't about their souls or about them at all, it's about the callous way you suggest that they are to blame, or that they should do it. It's easy to read between the lines about how you feel about this, even if you try to rationalize it away.

And are you serious with this? "how the hell am I supposed to feel sorry for someone if I personally feel their reason for taking their own life was stupid"... try having some common human empathy and decency. I don't care whether I think the reason someone killed themselves is stupid, I still feel bad for them that they had to go through the incredible amount of pain that causes someone to make that decision. For me, psychedelics increased my ability to empathize with other lifeforms, especially humans. But I see no empathy in your posts and it disturbs me. But I also realize that this is because of pain that you have deep inside of you that's blocking these feelings. Which is why I should stop posting in this thread. I just keep hoping that something I say might put a chink in your armor, I guess.

There's no reason anyone has to feel bad about their sexuality except for the fact that other people in their society condemn it and treat them like they have a problem. Left to their own devices, without receiving conflicting input from religion or fellow humans, a person will grow up and be attracted to who they're going to be attracted to, and it will just be what it is, some people are attracted to the same sex, and some people aren't. So attitudes like yours directly cause this pain to be able to exist for them. Attitudes like these are the reason you experience pain at your own internal sexuality conflict too. You admitted that you had a religious upbringing that gave you these ideas (the same as millions of other people have suffered). Imagine a life where you were never told it was bad, and you could be free to experience yourself as you really are without judgment and guilt and shame. Such a thing is possible but not as long as people uphold ideas like the ones you've been describing, like the ones your religion insidiously instilled in you.

Good luck with your life, man. There's a lot you could be doing to make yourself happier and I think that understanding the root of your feelings you've expressed in this thread, understanding them, and dealing with them, is the place to start.

What could I do to be happier? Stop believing in my soul? Stop believing that people can change their sexuality? After all, I can't help but find homosexuality to be disturbing, in fact, I think that feeling of disgust towards them is what turned me on in the first place. However, what's wrong with someone working to alter their sexuality? You really think that's the right thing for me? Well I tried it. I tried to be bi and happy and I couldn't... When I really was attracted to men I felt more pain and misery than I've ever felt. I've never cried before when I wasn't a little kid or drunk. Except the one time I cried about that... That means that even though I practically never cry, the pain I felt was enough to bring me to tears.

All the torture, burning and everything else I used as a part of my therapy was nothing compared to that pain. If all of a sudden one day I woke up and turned completely gay, I'd feel than I'd feel if I lost a loved one.... I know you can't understand it, but it's just how I am. It's okay though, as long as I don't hate others.

I'm not blaming gay people for suicide, but can it really be said that one shares 0 blame in their decision to take their own life. Pain is a part of life and some people just can't deal with it. It's not very complex. Even if I were more empathetic, all it would do is make me some self-righteous guy who feels the need to guide these people and tell them what's right? Psychedelic have shown me that I cannot be bothered to judge anothers personal choices. I'm not saying they should unless they've thought about it. You can't just blame bullying and religion. Sure the world pushes people to suicide, but in the end they make the choice to jump. If someones been through a life of true sorrow and pain and decides to kill themselves, I have emapthy. However, feeling bad about your sexuality just means you need to do something about it. Change or accept.
Who are you to tell them that they're wrong?
And as for me... I don't know, empathy isn't really a concious choice to make. I can't really choose to feel sorry for them. The truth is I don't feel bad for ALL suicide victims, but I also won't say they made the wrong decision. And a lot of the "pain" people feel is their own doing sometimes. I'm not blaming the victim, but I'm acknowledging the reality that the decision was theirs to make and they chose a decision.

 

[Smiley91]

Maybe jerking off to lolis does encourage some people to go and molest kids... but why should I stop liking lolicon for that reason.

I think you just answered your own question.

You think I'm bad because I wanna encourage people to change their sexuality, but you want me to do the same thing.

Now im well confused. I didnt ask u to change ur sexuality. I just asked why you feel the need to encourage others to change theirs, when u dont know their true soul.


And btw you keep going on tangents and contradicting yourself, plus you tried to put words in my mouth... I wasn't saying its right or wrong for someone to take their own life, it is their life afterall.
What I was asking is, what gives you the right to influence their decision either way? You did say you hoped a kid seeing your post of your experience would be inspired to change their sexuality via any means possible including self harm and to top it off you said this would be worth it even at the expense of another 5 kids comitting suicide. What makes you think everyones experience is the same as yours? How could you possibly know? Have a think about how your blatant insensitivity and your words can impact others reading this. Everyones entitled to their own opinion but how you present yours makes me sick. I dont know you, you may have been through a lot but a lot of people have and il bet reading shite like this doesnt help.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

There's no reason anyone has to feel bad about their sexuality except for the fact that other people in their society condemn it and treat them like they have a problem. Left to their own devices, without receiving conflicting input from religion or fellow humans, a person will grow up and be attracted to who they're going to be attracted to, and it will just be what it is, some people are attracted to the same sex, and some people aren't. Some people are attracted to both, and some might fluctuate. It's just what's natural for them. So attitudes like yours directly cause this pain to be able to exist for them, it doesn't exist independently from this. Attitudes like these are the reason you experience pain at your own internal sexuality conflict too. You admitted that you had a religious upbringing that gave you these ideas (the same as millions of other people have suffered). Imagine a life where you were never told it was bad, and you could be free to experience yourself as you really are without judgment and guilt and shame. Such a thing is possible but not as long as people uphold ideas like the ones you've been describing, like the ones your religion insidiously instilled in you.

Not really.. I can't say it's completely religion that made me feel this way. I actually thought gay people were weird when I found out what it was at the age of 8. And I had never learned it was a sin, something just told me it was wrong.
And people will ALWAYS pick on or be grossed out by things they find different. That's not religions fault.
I'm grossed out by seeing old people make out. I'm grossed out by seeing old people naked. I'm sure gay people are grossed out by striaght porn. I'm positive religion isn't the reason people pick on people with glasses, or why racism exists.

Why are some people ugly? It's probably because humans have a sense of perception that defines asethetics. Is that because of religion? No, it's because people see certain things as normal or gross... it's both nature and society. If bullying is natural, and violence is natural, so I'm sure it's natural for us to find things that are different disturbing.
Animals bully each other, so it's as natural as homosexuality.
Now, animals don't bully each other out of homophobia, but for other reasons, probably ones just as silly. But homophobia is both a result of repugnance and religion. Why did people dislike gays enough to make it a sin in the first place?