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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

Hi I recently purchased 1g of this stuff from a reputable uk vendor. It was powder and I don't really feel anything from it. I've had doses of around 40 to 80mg bombed and snorted but still don't seem to get much from it. Am I missing something do I have a weak batch what's the typical feel of this stim isit like cocaine or mdma ? I have some mpa also from the same vendor mixed with some of his mdai and I must admit it's a brilliant mix. Was thinking of using the 3fpm with the same mdai but not sure if this stuff is active for me. Any help appreciated. Thanks.
 
I once pulled up a window screen with ergot fungus on it. And then boiled it in ever clear at a low temp. The I filters it tru charchol and micro filters. Then I let the ever clear dry in the dark on a Pyrex . then boiled up some diethylamide and poured the d on the love. And dryed. It again after filtering once more. It was great . diethylamide is just the sublingaul liquid witch activates the lysergic acid. Lysergic acid is a sedative. But with the. D. It can go to one place in the brain faster and better duh. Lol. I'm gonzo.
 
Anybody with a fucking pain in the tooth as a side effect in high dose ? What a fuck is this shit ?
I get tooth aches from ketamine, MXE and n-ethyl-diphenethylamine (aka ephenidine). Nobody will be able to tell you what is going on there.
 
I'm quite happy to accept that it can cause toothaches. It's quite caustic, melths through your veins, fucks up your nose and when you bomb lots of it really screws up your stomach acid, put it in your mouth raw and wash it down with water and it burns the skin inside your mouth and lips. And if you haven't got rid of it all then it does indeed make my teeth hurt.

And if you manage to get some on your skin and don't notice, then it is accompanied by a rash the next day.
 
Also, has anyone noticed that the newer batches of 3FPM are now turning from the dusty chalky type into the more crystal and sparkly powder?

I've noticed over the past month or so that my reliable UK supplier have been gradually transitioning to the pretty sparkly stuff. I managed to slam 600ml in 2x3ml syringes without any pain, pH testing strip (in spoon with 2ml water mixed with 300mg 3FPM) unless I'm measuring the pH incorrectly.

Put 300mg in spoon, add 2ml of water from 3ml syringe (the spoon doesn't hold much more than 2ml) let it dissolve, grab pH testing strip and swish around in spoon liquid a couple of times, remove, measure at 15 seconds? I only ask as I remember with the 'old' powdery 3FPM I once injected a much lesser concentration and really felt the burn. But I never did a pH test on that.
 
You don't need to measure the pH imho. It's gonna be around 7.

Oh and of course it can make your teeth hurt if you put it into your mouth. Your gum might already be damaged to begin with, it's not that uncommon. That's why god gave us capsules btw.
 
I noticed that my 3-fpm, although it was chalky, white powder at first, turned to pretty little crystals once I recrystalized it (I was using volumetric dosage)
 
You don't need to measure the pH imho. It's gonna be around 7.

Oh and of course it can make your teeth hurt if you put it into your mouth. Your gum might already be damaged to begin with, it's not that uncommon. That's why god gave us capsules btw.

You say "of course" but it's not so evident for me. I don't understand what is the chemical or the pharmacological process involved. Also I must to precise my tooth are in a very good health and I feel pain in all my tooth from the inside, this start many hours after taking it, like if all my tooth nerves was feeling a pain that have no sense. I think maybe some long lasting metabolites of 3-FPM, the same that cause peripheral stimulation, cause pain in my tooth. And I not put it directly in my mouth, I dissolve it in cola first to dilute it and prevent some nasty chemical reaction happening in my mouth.
 
Eh who knows

well maybe i'm snorting baking soda because i haven't had a single bad effect in over a month of almost daily use now (i know, it's terrible...right...)

Baking soda that burns and does not damage, I doubt that lol Nice try

Both nostrils were first to go for me after only a week of continual use, something was destroyed up there or infected. My nose got all infected on both sides and scabs growing up in the nostrils, not a pretty site.

I'm telling you if you plan to do a few lines that ROA take it easy, lightly and not too much or you can expect serious damage to your inner nostrils for weeks even months to come; moreso than any other RC that I've ever tried. 5-MAPB burns but no signs of damage, I don't even care about the other RC"s anymore and have tried most of em.

I'm running WILD and hitting CASINOS now and JACKPOTS on this stuff so it's brought me LUCK and made me FEEL YOUNG and Like a Little Dr. Do Little Pick up Hustler Pimp Master Jack.

The bunnies love my new outfits, my oh my, I run around looking like Batman practically - What a Hero I am atm on this stuff and especially in bed or so they say lol

Been mostly sticking to the "Plugging" and got the Honey Bunnies interested in playing around with it down there, kicks in nice and then we shift and I do it for them.

Vaping works off and on but not as intense of effects and shorter duration, takes more to get intense effects meaning. Big Big Big hits in quicker amounts of time necessary, needs to be clean w/no burn and perfectly VAPED to hit well.

Intravenous kind of a waste now I'm feeling, it's OK but only if you know what you are doing. For most unaware of how to do it, not worth the risk, just get someone to plug it in a syringe up your arse instead. lol

Another 150 g's on the way and I promised people this would be limited to 3-5g max use a day but my tolerance is building so let's safely say 4-6g's a day.

it is just me or am I better looking now when looking in the mirror and going out?

So they say, the 3-FPM has brought a sense of red blush in my face that turns the little rabbits on, can't wait for them to step outside into the limo and head off to the Casino as I've been a steady high roller on this stuff for the last few weeks now going under a new name. lol

Ok enough information, take it easy on use is my advice, watch the speed limit signs and never run ouf of gas while on the road, keep your 3-FPM tank filled to the tippy.
 
Hi I recently purchased 1g of this stuff from a reputable uk vendor. It was powder and I don't really feel anything from it. I've had doses of around 40 to 80mg bombed and snorted but still don't seem to get much from it. Am I missing something do I have a weak batch what's the typical feel of this stim isit like cocaine or mdma ? I have some mpa also from the same vendor mixed with some of his mdai and I must admit it's a brilliant mix. Was thinking of using the 3fpm with the same mdai but not sure if this stuff is active for me. Any help appreciated. Thanks.

Double or triple the dose and your fine, takes time to kick in for some when bombed but you will notice the changes going on 1-2hrs somewhere zone.
 
Sexual climax was almost too much. But next day shitfeeling means its not worth it.


There should be no next morning or ending, keep it rolling and you will not feel like shit in the morning but a Super Star ready to role out the red carpet and more and more Sex here it cums lol

Not kidding, people can't expect to get blazing on this stuff then just stop the blaze work and continue feeling good, ya gotta go a few days at least and see how it goes.
 
I get tooth aches from ketamine, MXE and n-ethyl-diphenethylamine (aka ephenidine). Nobody will be able to tell you what is going on there.

Crooky, you're such a little baby, need a spanking or diaper changed this week? lol
 
Oral administration works extremely well with 3F-P. I need roughly 50% more substance compared to intravenous use, resulting in an estimated 60% oral BA for me personally.

Due to the significant health hazards I would strongly discourage rectal administration of stimulants!
More information below.


The following are taken from the bioavailability thread and are not double checked. They only list bioavailability, not speed of onset. Afaik there is a correlation between these though. I would have to look up the respective articles for more information on the latter.

Hydromorphone: Oral-30-35%; Intranasal 52.4%; Rectal 33%
Oxymorphone: Intranasal 43%; Orals 10-20%; Rectal 10%
Rectal oxycodone bioavailability is 61% (which is similar to oral at 60-87. There is greater individual variability with rectal (+or-30% range 16.4-126.8 and peak plasma for rectal is a rather lengthy 2.8 hours."
Ketamine is really shitty via this route, both in terms of BA and absorption rate.
DXM gives no effects at all in my experience.
Rectal bioavailability and speed of onset of amphetamine vary significantly between individuals. I have personally had some very disappointing experiences with it.
Additionally, a lot of substances' bioavailability and speed of onset depend on the rectal pH, anatomical properties like the size of the rectal surface area or anastomoses to superior (portal!) rectal veins. Codeine and Morphine are good examples of that, they both get absorbed a lot better in a high pH environment which one cannot rely on finding in their rectum at a given point in time. This is true for many substances which makes rectal administration less reliable than oral or intranasal administration.

I won't get into more substances here, but focus on other issues with the rectal route of administration that make many substances - most importantly stimulants - a very poor choice! Generally speaking, you are correct that rectal administration can be effective for a large number of substances due to lower ratio of portal vs systemic absorption.

For anything that depends on first pass metabolism rectal administration is obviously a bad choice. Examples are Tilidine or Tramadol. Codeine phosphate needs to be demethylated via first past metabolism if I am not mistaken.

I suppose most substances are indeed better absorbed via the rectal roa, but insufflation often rivals or surpasses it. Can't hurt (well it could actually hurt quite a bit ;D) to try plugging 3F-P, but I would personally avoid it due to it's apparent proinflammatory effects on connective tissue, possibly even local vasoconstriction leading to cell death.

Aaaaand, who would've guessed it, I found out this is true for other stimulants as well after reading up on it! I was actually spot-on correct:
The application of methamphetamine directly to rectal mucosa likely has local vasoconstrictive effects, making rectal ischemia and necrosis a potential complication.

With 3F-P I would therefore be even more careful about administering it rectally! In the name of harm reduction it is a dangerous recommendation since there is absolutely no data on it while we do have a shitload of anecdotal information on other routes of administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ischemic_colitis
Ischemic bowel is a potentially life threatening condition due to the risk of sepsis - You do not want shit to enter your blood stream.
More on cocaine and amphetamine causing ischemic bowel.
0.1% of hospital administrations are due to ischemic colitis. The incidence is much higher, but many cases follow a mild course with spontaneous resolution. Once you have an ulcerous gangrenous rectum though there is comparably little hope for survival, even if you enter surgery within the hour which is recommended due to the highly acute nature of the condition, accompanied by treatment of the resulting sepsis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2778113/

Ergo just do not administer stimulants rectally, especially not 3F-P which we have suspected to have significant local vasoconstrictive effects. This is the mechanism which I suspect to be responsible for the polyneuropathiae some people report (including myself), since nervous tissue is problematic in this scenario due to it's poor ability to autoregulate perfusion. Extensive necrosis can occur in nerve tissue within as little as 4 hours after administration of strong vasoconstrictors.



Due to the significant health hazards I would strongly discourage rectal administration of stimulants!

For those who do not take my advice seriously: If you experience rectal pain or bleeding after rectal administration of stimulants, stop right there. If it is followed by a fever seek medical care immediately, since mortality in this condition is extremely high and even with prompt medical care is rarely treated successfully.


@sekio
Sekio, you should know better than to blindly recommend methods of drug abuse that we have so little data on. You could have easily done some research to find out why transrectal administration of stimulants is to be discouraged. Especially before the background of you deleting my thread about passing amphetamine tests by consumption of salmiak two days ago.

I found that really low and we both know you did it because I called you respectless for telling people a traditional Northern European food is disgusting, not because salmiak consumption poses a significant health risk. Show me a single case of hospital administration due to acidosis caused by salmiak licorice ingestion!

Reducing the risk for potentially disastrous social consequences of drug abuse is an important aspect of harm reduction in my humble opinion and you were plain wrong to delete the thread, again in my humble opinion.

Now here you are suggesting very risky behaviour that you not only have no personal experience with, but did not bother to research. I suggest you edit your post in the spirit of harm reduction. I hope you keep enjoying your 'moderation' privileges the way you have!

Trying to play Doctor Doctor I see there Crooky, got nothing better to do at the moment? Ya need a little more 3-FPM by the way? I can you send you whatever you need.
 
I injected 60mg MDMA the other week and the 3F-P rush definitely rivals that. I dare say it's even better, but I used up to 500mg per injection... Shit I can't get it out of my godamn head. That feeling... On the other hand, I have another 100mg MDMA lying around and am not even tempted. That 3F-P rush though... SHIT! Sometimes I couldn't handle the full 500mg and had to stop mid-injection.


EDIT: I have never abused MDMA except for 2 injections earlier this year. I still get very strong empathogenic effects even when I take it orally.

Quit abusing yourself Crooky, seek help - I honestly believe the only real decent help you could ever receive is another 50 or so grams of 3-FPM laying around, whadda ya say?
 
Just had a horrible night after dosing roughly 50mg of this stuff over the course of several hours. Some time after my last little dose of 10mg or so began to feel really fucked up. I laid down and for the rest of that night I had what felt exactly like a bad flu. Fever, horrible aches and pains, couldn't sleep.

I had gone through about 1g of this stuff over the course of a month with no issues at all, dosing occasionally, not everyday. I reordered and last night's 50mg destroyed me. It had been maybe a month since last dose so maybe 50mg was a bit much? Doesn't seem like it from my past experiences but I can't say, I also had 1 shot of alcohol which may have been what triggered the sickness.

Felt the need to share and also hope someone might have some answers. Not going to try it again for a few days but I'm curious whether its this batch or the shot of alcohol or what. Like I said no issues from the last batch so it seemed like a bizarre reaction.
 
By far the most destructive and habit forming substance I have ever used.

Not really, Oh come on guys, it's all in your head as the song goes. It's in your head, It's in your Head. 3-FMP is one of those substances you say to yourself, It's a keeper and keep for life with regular everyday use - Oh yeah my plants are happy and growing gigantic, they are evolving into something greater and so AM I.
 
Just had a horrible night after dosing roughly 50mg of this stuff over the course of several hours. Some time after my last little dose of 10mg or so began to feel really fucked up. I laid down and for the rest of that night I had what felt exactly like a bad flu. Fever, horrible aches and pains, couldn't sleep.

I had gone through about 1g of this stuff over the course of a month with no issues at all, dosing occasionally, not everyday. I reordered and last night's 50mg destroyed me. It had been maybe a month since last dose so maybe 50mg was a bit much? Doesn't seem like it from my past experiences but I can't say, I also had 1 shot of alcohol which may have been what triggered the sickness.

Felt the need to share and also hope someone might have some answers. Not going to try it again for a few days but I'm curious whether its this batch or the shot of alcohol or what. Like I said no issues from the last batch so it seemed like a bizarre reaction.

I don't blame ya you would have a horrible nothingness on 50mg's alone, ya need to pump it up to 150-200 at least to get something out of it. Drinking alcohol with it is perfectly fine, no limit just go with how you feel when consuming.

50mg's is like a teaser in the store, a little cracker and cheese nip sample. You need DINNER, Prime Rib, Mash potatoes, Gravy, Stuffing, The works. in other words TAKE A HIGHER DOSE or you'll probably just get a headache and runny nose again. All the best!
 
To anyone who has withdrawn from this, do your experiences match mine in that this is strikingly similar to Anti-depressant Discontinuation Syndrome?

The symptoms I am/was getting are:

* Tremors
* Constant sleepiness
* Dizziness
* Dysphoria
* Anxiety
* Agitation
* Hyperarousal
* Brain Zaps
* Paraesthesia

Keep in mind that I was, for the most part, a daily user for the better part of two months. This is an extreme case. I had discontinued use on Monday this week and am starting to feel normal again at this point, though my fingers are still somewhat numb and mood disturbances are present in spades. I couldn't make it to work on Friday because of this shite.

I have an NMDA antagonist on standby for emergencies and will see if that alleviates the symptoms. Will report back tomorrow on that.

Stay safe y'all

Are you sure most of the list above is not merely phobia paranoia related in your head like the movie "What about BOB" I think you need the "Death Therapy Treatment." It can save ya, be stronger minded, work it out, your mind can take full control over the body not the chem over you. The mind must be stronger than any substance you put into it ultimately unless its' meant to knock you which is different.

Look at me, I'm in full control. Wouldn't ya say so?

I finally took control and decided to quit the job at the office ,transform into the Super Hero Casino High Rolling Jack Iv'e always wanted to be with a limo driver awaiting on my every beckoning calls. He actually enjoys the 3-FPM himself and has learned greater patience with me over the course of the past few weeks. ON WITH THE SHOW, We got Rabbits, We got Bunnies, They are lovey Dovey.
 
Quit abusing yourself Crooky, seek help - I honestly believe the only real decent help you could ever receive is another 50 or so grams of 3-FPM laying around, whadda ya say?
I'm actually doing pretty fucking well, all things considered. Thanks for your concern though. Enjoy your honeymoon! :) May it never come to an end.

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