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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

Thanks for sharing. I am sorry to hear about your situation, it's tough but life goes. Try to focus on your progress, the present moment. Methadone is a tough one to get off, I have been where you are and I know how difficult it is, both emotionally but also physically. I wish you all the best and that you succeed. You can do this.
Take care!
 
Transcendence said:
You're right, maybe I misinterpreted now that I reread it. I didn't mean to be harsh. I've just read so many similar posts here with silence and just had to say something. In a way I was it was directed at my past self. I apologize if that sounded overly assuming or judgmental.


It's hardest to forgive ourselves. You have nothing to feel guilty about. You're no less of a person.
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^ I totally agree with you.

In regards to your first quote, It's all fine. It's great that you have expressed yourself.

I wish i had read such an impactful thread like this one before I have started to play with it. I was very young and I can't say if that it would have stopped me. I would certainly become more conscious about things I didn't quite understand back then.
 
Thx erikmen I appreciate the support I gotta a website that the drs and clinics use to ween correctly and I bought a bunch of mdone 10mg tabs cuz I know it's gonna take much longer. They are switching me to oxy and I'm gonna start low with that and being the mdone down at 2mg a week, they're switching me at 30 mg mdone to 3x15 or 20 mg oxy the pm dr don't like me and setting up to fail, I've got the resources to do it right and I use the same website he uses to calculate that's how I know he's setting me up, mad unprofessional . I'm glad I'm smart enough to understand and all I've read on bl through personal experiences if others are a big help too. After weening the mdone to nothing the correct way in gonna use the short acting oxy for a few mths and ween off that and it'll be much less painful and will tak a fraction if the time, I got this! Ty everyone and rember don't get started and u don't gotta end, god bless to all in the struggle!
 
Just think about who might still be around if heroin didn't exist....Jon Belushi, Janis Joplin, Chris Farley, River Phoenix, maybe even Jim Morrison. It's really not worth it.
 
A lot of great people indeed, although when we get to a certain stage in life where addiction is the only thing we can do to survive life ends quicker than expected by most people who love us. Philip Seymour was also a great person that has also passed away, I remember hearing one of his quotes saying he was sure he would die in one or the other. Very sad.
 
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I have yet to find a person that has not ended up spending the same if not more on their heroin habit than they did for their pill habit. The truth is that after the switch peoples tolerances will increase exponentially since they will continue to use as much as they can afford, and then some. It's not like a person with a tolerance of say 160mg of oxycodone will just switch to the equivalent in heroin and just stay at that dose. They will use the extra money to get even higher, increasing their tolerance with each high until they quickly find themselves spending the same amount on heroin as they were recently spending on the oxy.
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Do you have any evidence of this, beyond your own intuition?

It does not follow necessarily that people will suddenly begin to abuse this particular opiate uncontrollably after diligently abiding by the rules with their pills prior to the switch.

I can personally stick to a daily regemin of pre-prepared shots (I do find it hard though if not planned and pre-prepared). Also in the UK heroin can occasionally be prescribed and in these cases the user has to take a set amount and doesn't seem to need more.

I agree with your obvious intention, to discourage people from trying heroin the first time. But stark generalisations like this and questionable terminology make you seem less real and more anti drugs leafletty. Like when you said 'you'll always be "Chasing the Dragon"' and referring to trying to achieve an elusive high rather than just meaning smoking heroin on foil.,
 
Transcendence said:
Please understand that this is the thinking of literally everyone I know without exception who survived (or didn't survive) a serious opiate addiction. You will come across dealers or find other ways to acquire it. You will probably not get addicted this month but life circumstances and the basic biochemistry of opiates will alter your priorities of what you can afford really quickly.

I speak from not just the experience of everyone around me, but personal experience. And just read through the archives of this site. I have seen the same posts over and over, and then a year or 2 later the OP is back lambasting him or herself for being naive. Or worse, they end up in the Shrine.

It's worse now than even 3 or 4 years ago. Fentanyl used to be used to step on H occasionally and you'd have a report of a bad batch in NJ or NY or whatever every few months. Now it seems that not only is most of the supply of east coast heroin cut with fentanyl analogues, often they are just fentanyl. Even forms like carfentanil that were previously only used on large exotic animals or as chemical warfare agents (see Moscow Theater Crisis). Yeah, that stuff is at least confirmed to be all over Ohio and it's slightly over 10,000 times more powerful than morphine.

You can prevent an opiate addiction only when you accept that there is no such thing as long-term occasional use for at least 9 out of 10 people. That cloud of comfort is the artificial triggering of the same endogenous reward pathways that cause any form of satisfaction, joy, accomplishment and drive in humans. I don't like preaching and I'm a hypocrite in a sense, but I'm just so weary of seeing this.
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Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts on this. I don't leave the house so I don't know any dealers and I don't have the money to buy heroin. I only bough 200mg last time because it's all I could afford. I enjoyed snorting it but i'm not left with an urge to buy it again any time soon. I've given myself three months, then I treat myself again. I'm the same with any drug, except diclazepam - I take it daily to combay anxiety and it's been a life saver. but I spend peanuts on it and it enriches my life. Same with phenibut. 1g strictly a week for years. years (20) of blind, pointless nicotine addiction taught me everthing I need to know about addiction. I beat it after 15 years of trying. Nothing is going to take me again (unless it subtly enrinches my life).
 
That's very sad, so true. The feelings of disappointment after waking up are indeed quite devastating. All we want to do is go after the next dose. There's nothing else worth in the world and it takes forever to come out of that cycle. Time freezes and there's nothing I could do about it. I remember having those thoughts and thinking of sobriety as a distant reality. Like a parallel life..
 
Yeah, for real with not trying it if you never have.. Ive been off and on for nearly tens years. As of recently Ive been behaving, but only cuz I messed up so badly and lost pretty much everything I love in my life, including the woman of my dreams.. It is what it is and I can only move forward, but it truely takes being at your lowest to realize this isnt a life worth living..

Also, a comment on the Fent being everywhere... I live in south Jersey, so I exclusively used philly and camden dope, shit thats really good compared to a lot of places. Now a few weeks back I decided I was gonna go cop, and this is after being clean for a few weeks after a cold turkey stop (That in itself is another story) Soooo, I go to one of my favorite corners, grab 3 bags and decide Im gonna go cop 3 bags of something else. My habit for good dope before I quit was up to a bundle a day, maybe more, so three bags is kind of on the small side for me. I dont IV, just snort. So I do the three bags in a small alley and I knew immediately I f***ed up, the last I remember was rounding the corner thinking I gotta get back to my truck.. Well that almost happened, as I got woken up by some dude trying to sell me hard to wake my ass up lol.. When I came to I was right next to my truck, so I almost made it. It had to have been pure or close to pure fent, Ive had it before, and as soon as I blasted it, I knew what was gonna happen.. So that said, if you are using, please be careful.. And if youre on the verge of copping dope, do yourself a favor and just quit while youre ahead!

Tight lines and following seas
 
Fentanyl has been largely in use, at least in the East Coast. Just yesterday I heard of a mother who lost her daughter to heroin which was massively cut with fent. She was trying to get out of it for years and years. That's really sad. On a side note people say that when someone OD's and dies that person saves at least one life, from someone that quits. If that's true I wonder how many more people have to die..
 
"Should I try heroin", more like, "Why shouldn't I try heroin? Top 10 reasons" And the answer may surprise you...
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I looked up, but from experience, readings etc, I believe that what happens with most people who successfully don't try is their self awareness that they would like it and that they wouldn't be able to suppress that memory. It's not usual to simply let go IMO. Regardless of how long, or how often, it's going to be that one thing you'll be trying to go after.
 
H is very moorish. It's like a nice chocolate bar u can't leave it u have to destroy the bags it's impossible, not actually, but it's very hard to just have a lil line. I only ever smoked it but I could pound away at a quart oz of highest quality pre repressed stuff I can get but rarely do.

It's brilliant for physical and emotional pain. I had PTSD n it got me through my recovery.

Once u use it's hard to just ignore its existence. It's saved me from actual self harm. I'm in a horrific situation last few years. It's had it's moments. I have IBS n dental and jaw problems it's great when I'm really messed up crying wanting an ambulance I can be pain free in minute just smoking it.

I'd definitely say stick to smoking it. Ppl I knew who used needles Vos their tolerance got silly wee amazed how high they got for a month or two then had a even more horrific habit. I regularly have messed up n one off it symptoms free using dhc three times a day 30 or 60 mg ones. N tgen u cut dose n it works u only need do it a week n then bung urself up with loperimide++ n cold n flu with anti snot stuff in. Oh and diphenhydramine from states is well cheap n they do huge bottles for price of UK pharmacy pack of 16....

Buscopam is good for stopping spasms n kicking n muscle aches too.

I always found it very fun and sociable we'd share n pass around the tube n foil. Much less head wreaking than skunk really is great. If u stick to weekends n ur mates it's fine. Getting clean tho u can't be with another addict asbull both give each other the excuse to score. I turn my fone off n watch anime n films n read.

Bouncing onto codiebe for 10 days n then stopping that is really really easy. Well easier. No freak outs no depression if u stay on cos for a few weeks ur brain has healed even better. Loperimide n nytol generics are all u need. All these things can be bought over counter, borrowed from friend or family member or got from GP if u say ur taking lots of co codamol but u can't take enough for muscle pain in jaw u need a one off box of 28 n say ur going on holiday nbur scared of jets u can't blah four blues n or lorazepam. You have to not sound too keen n not go in looking sick or on the nod. Ppl get so terrified stopping. Buses to binge it so IDs always end up bouncing off dhc afterwards. Loperimide dhc n generic nytol with ur codiebe asbu cut it down. The loperimide handles ur body stuff n the nytol sorts ur head by boosting ur receptiveness n sensitivity to opiates. U can phase the cod out quickly that way

To anyone who's using big hugs.

I only ever paid for my Swag by my own n never stole or anything. That's a skaghead I'd class myself as a counessieur or a heroin enthusiast or just adict.

For any nubies once u first get hooked it's such a fooker as its main effect is to heal psychological pains n physical pains but it knocks out ur ability to see consequences n stuff. Ur body ability to earn u n stop u being compulsive is affected so once u start it's hard to make a sensible decision n u can do really stupid things cos it's not away. Not exactly aspetgers but ur brain becomes abnormal n it's very noticable ur change in personality to ppl that live with it know u...

I was never warned or taught how or why it was arrive. I genuinely didn't think I had a problem till I stopped n got sick.

There's no free rides u pay for all that suppressed emotions all in one go when u come off it. But honestly it's so devious the way it dreams into ur subconscious. It's better to set rules from start. I'll probably break every one n cross every line almost slowly but surely. If ur awair of the way it protects itself like a paracite n u become obsessed with reasons why u should do it. Oh I'm upset... Oh this happened. U will find an excuse to justify it to urself every single time. For years. It just slips in there. I smoked for almost a decade n it really does a number on u. Getting clean after a long habit is like getting ur first e again, u see so much more in ppl nbinbur life n surroundings once ur off it. It's a great pre sec social smoke with ur misses...

Mega post I apologise I'm wreaked n I don't know when to stop typing cos of the way a good smoke messed with ur perception of what is normal.

I had good times n bad times on it. I quite like it but it's such a waste of money n hanging round to score waiting hours having to hang with other users so u can all get off different dealers if one guy gets nabbed or I'll or disappears. Methadone was much more fun once I'd had a problem. It's brilliant if u keep dose low n split it into two doses a day every 12 hours. If u dose less twice a day u don't wake u cos ur getting sick! One bagvofvb is a tenner say. Any crackhead of bad gear head will do u hundred ml for fiver or tenner. But for that tenner u can do four days where previously u were doing few bags a day. It's less addictive than h but much more sensible it doesn't sore up high n crash ubback down. I'd say to anyone just starting out get urself a few bottles, check seals on em. There are times when it's an emergency of holiday or whatever but with 200ml of green u can go Spain for a week just put the green liquid methnin a carefully cleaned cheap mouth was bottle. Never ever got caught just had it in my luggage n had great holidays. I'd say start off small nbthen get used to it. U might have minor rattle but the methadone is very great. If u only do a week n then bounce down on dhc n then cold turkey I've done it loadsa times n its not hard to kick at all if u stop making excuses. There's always a reason always to use. Once ur aware of that trick u can suppressed it a lot

Good luck. I don't know anyone who takes hard drugs that's not had terrible psychological scars if I've had a PTSD or abuse or rapey past ull we'll get into it. For me it was like a big warm duvet n peace in ur head. It has its moments TS but I wouldn't wish a bad habit on it to worst of my enemies. U gotta have a plan n stick to it. Once u break one rule ull keep breaking them even if ur carefull. Big hugs xxx
 
I apologise for my random thoughts n advise going into huge detail below. I was a specialist in harm reduction I have certain degrees basically n was a named caregiver for drugs support n pathways n management etc for a whole a n e before I got PTSD from horrific pradatrics deaths it kept me alive n sane when I felt like my heart had been ripped out
 
If you're ever unsure of how much self-control you think you have, a long binge on rushing opiates (like smoked/IV heroin, etc) are a good way to test your will power.

But even if you go on a binge and are able to stop with ease... what I hadn't expected was this mental craving for it, long after any physical cravings are gone. Never has a drug done that to me before.
See, when stopping the bender, you can force yourself to change your locomotor actions (dont do drug), but it's harder to force yourself to change those subconcious thought patterns that keep thinking of when the next dose will be. Maybe that's where meditation comes in.

So, try it out; no reason not to; it's a fun high. Just beware the (likely) inevitable changes that will be set into your thought patterns afterwards.
 
I don't think it's a good idea to say "it's a fun high" when it comes to heroin. That's seems either stupid, sarcastic or ignorant to say imo/e. I can name an endless list of reasons not to do it, starting for the very basic; you'll never get away with it. True. Talk to me in 15 years and you'll see what I mean. We are talking about facts of life.

How about, you can die. Many people do. Especially the young ones. I've went to their funerals. Suffering teens from 16 to 21 years old. Prostitution, misery, pain, separation. I've spent half of my life trying to get away because I was once very stupid to try - nobody else was saying the opposite.

Not a good idea to suggest heroin is okay to try. Especially here in this thread. You have the right to say whatever you want. But show some respect and read more about it. You'll see how much destruction and sadness heroin is bringing to so many communities. It's actually an epidemy and nobody knows quite well how to stop but trying it is not the way.
 
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