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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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Going by yesterday, testing firstly 25mg up the nostril,it does feel like theres a stone stuck in my nose and it makes the throat feel pretty uncomfortable (sort of reminds me of when i snorted DXM, but that was worse as it was such a larger amount) After around 30Mins we snorted another 25mg: At 50mg total it felt just like the subtle afterglow of a medium-large line of K (whatever that is to you i don't know) but with a much more clear headed dissociate feel and a feeling of *don't worry* reminiscence of some sort of opiate.

Yesterday was a tester day, as we were really not sure what sort of effects we were going to expect from 25mg of 4-meo PCP *SALT* (which by the way does NOT smell, guessing from the info in the thread it looks like its the freebase that stinks!) we based our amount on someone else's trip report on this site and believed that you would possibly need a much smaller amount when using the salt. However this doesn't seem like the case as the effects we got were nowhere close to our expectations.

SO! Today! thinking about orally taking 200mg. Should do the trick....i would snort it if i thought i could handle the pain of 200mg up the nostril but i think that would be simply..Fucking Foolish!

By the way i don't normally post anything on this site (2nd Post!) as the information i need is usually all there anyway! But i felt as there is so little information and so much DIFFERENT information on this substance, a post on the experience will hopefully help other people. Big Up Bluelight!
 
Coolio said:
Are you kidding? It doesn't get any more glamorous than having someone sexy squirt phencyclidine solutions up your butthole.
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LOL this is fucking hilarious....seriously, since when is shooting an analogue of PCP up your asshole a glamourous thing? xD get over yourself and plug this shit, it's WELL worth it.


anyway, how quickly does tolerance build to this? I took 100 mg's (PLUGGED!) Thursday? possibly wednesday lol, but took 150 mg's tonight and felt reallly good...only got 150 mg's left and i want to take it tomorrow, IF tolerance doesn't build too fast. So, any answers about tolerance?
 
Maybe i could ask one of my mates for assistance, would help if they knew what the hell 4-meo-pcp was :p
 
I'm planning on getting some of this... but may I ask is it bad for you in any way?

Any long term effects with occasional use? say, for example, 2 times a month or less?
 
hey

i got a g of this stuff in my neat rc box but i'm not sure how to dose it.

i read that plugging was the only way to go many times (which would be inacceptable for me) but i've also seen reports of people using it orally and few with nasal aplication

I want to stay away from the k-hole and try something equivalent to 40-70mg of ketamine

how much should i take aprox? is nasal possible? how long does it take to come up and how long does it last?

i hope someone would be so nice and maybe answer me these few questions
 
Coolio said:
Uh. There is no doubt in my mind this stuff tears your brain apart.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16264813
http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=17418473
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/304/1/266.full.pdf

And so on.

I plan to continue to use 4-methoxy-PCP at least once a year for the foreseeable future. Maybe skip a year if I use some PCP or other analog instead. That sounds like a safe frequency to me... not twice a month.
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This is worrying but it seems the bad neurological effects are related mainly to the destruction of NDMA receptors am I right? If so there may be a way to counter-balance this by using piracetam in between doses. It is reported to increase NDMA receptor density by up to 20%. Theres a study knocking about here somewhere.
 
Nowhere does 'destruction of NMDA receptors' occur in any NMDA antagonist associated neurotoxicity study, I don't believe...
 
Yeah I kinda skimmed through it, saw that it acted on NMDA receptors and assumed thats where the damage is done. On reading that last study further all I can say is HOLY FUCK.
 
However, for some the psychological benefits of a PCP trip far outweigh the neuromorphological deficits.
 
Coolio said:
Uh. There is no doubt in my mind this stuff tears your brain apart.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16264813
http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=17418473
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/304/1/266.full.pdf

And so on.

I plan to continue to use 4-methoxy-PCP at least once a year for the foreseeable future. Maybe skip a year if I use some PCP or other analog instead. That sounds like a safe frequency to me... not twice a month.
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So you are proposing that the neurological impact of PCP necessarily = that of 4-meo-PCP? I would not be so sure that is the case. Even minor changes to molecules can result in very different effects, not only subjective but also physicaly "toxological" effects can differ ALOT because these minor changes can DRASTICALLY affect their receptor binding affinities at various places from "strong" to "none" and vice-versa.

Also, you can't necessarily believe everything you read just because it was some lab study conducted by someone and published in a Journal. Plenty of "junk-science" gets published all the time that is really propaganda sponsored by drug companies and/or the DEA... also, test tube or animal studies in which concentrations used to show "toxicity" (a vague term with no real scientific definition btw) might well have VERY little to do with actual effects i humans under normal usage conditions. For instance, studies of MDMA in the the test tube and in animals given GIGANTIC OD level doses many many many times the typical human recreational user were used over the years (including fraudulent publications that actually severely overdosed some poor monkeys with massive ODs of Meth-amphetamine, not MDMDA) to "prove" the "hideous dangers" of MDMA.

Other studies of cohorts of ACTUAL users taking NORMAL but frequent doses of MDMA show little of the feared "neurotoxicity" being bandied about by the medical establishment at the behest of the DEA... just some minor cognitive deficits you would expect from anyone who parties/drinks/smokes weed etc... a little forgetfulness and so on, that was easily and quickly reversed by a brief period of abstinence.

Not saying its good for you... but there are LOTS of things including important nutrients that are essential to life, but when squirted into a test tube with some naked nerve cells do "damage" of one kind or another, quite distinct from how they act in a living organism, distributed via proper biological delivery pathways.

So you gotta take those sort of studies with a grain of salt.
 
This compound helped a very close friend reduce their opiate tolerance (and cravings) to almost 0 after a 50mg rectal dose. Multi-year addict.

They have been opiate free for a couple days which is effectively unheard of with this particular individual. Unbelievable.
 
This compound is amazing imo. Did around 160mg mixed with 3 hits of 'regular' strength blotter acid - and it blew my mind into the cosmos. Felt slightly dissociated for the next day and a half after the dose.
 
Owww...I see why people are not snorting this drug. Just finished my 200MG free sample last night. ^_^ I sniffed 100mgs over the course of a half hour and I have to say I enjoyed it. I sorta wasted the first 100mgs by sniffing 50mgs right after the other up left then right nostrils. it was quite painful, and I was watching Shamans of the Blind Country which I found a bit disturbing, so I blew it out and went to bed.

2nd attempt, last night, I snorted ~33MGs thru the left nose hole at ten minute intervals and although I don't think I came close to the 4P hole, I did have some fantastic effects writing on it and feeling concise and articulate but not too wordy.

Snippet of something I wrote on it:

The queer community has had enough stories of sad and tragic endings. We need a story of successful dreaming that defies the tacky gay happy endings --which are just cheap analogs of heterosexual pipedreams (ie. of monogamy, *forever*) and a bourgeois complacency/march towards normalization.

Anywoo...the effects at this range are quite different than Methoxetamine, closer to Ketamine, although there's a more pronounced euphoria (I suspect this may be due to the dopamine output) and less motor incordination than what I would have with ketamine at this dosage. I also feel more present than with K or MXE. I have some notes I took from my first and second experiment, perhaps I'll compile them into a trip report. stay tuned.
 
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Going by yesterday, testing firstly 25mg up the nostril,it does feel like theres a stone stuck in my nose and it makes the throat feel pretty uncomfortable (sort of reminds me of when i snorted DXM, but that was worse as it was such a larger amount) After around 30Mins we snorted another 25mg: At 50mg total it felt just like the subtle afterglow of a medium-large line of K (whatever that is to you i don't know) but with a much more clear headed dissociate feel and a feeling of *don't worry* reminiscence of some sort of opiate.

Yesterday was a tester day, as we were really not sure what sort of effects we were going to expect from 25mg of 4-meo PCP *SALT* (which by the way does NOT smell, guessing from the info in the thread it looks like its the freebase that stinks!) we based our amount on someone else's trip report on this site and believed that you would possibly need a much smaller amount when using the salt. However this doesn't seem like the case as the effects we got were nowhere close to our expectations.

SO! Today! thinking about orally taking 200mg. Should do the trick....i would snort it if i thought i could handle the pain of 200mg up the nostril but i think that would be simply..Fucking Foolish!

By the way i don't normally post anything on this site (2nd Post!) as the information i need is usually all there anyway! But i felt as there is so little information and so much DIFFERENT information on this substance, a post on the experience will hopefully help other people. Big Up Bluelight!
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Up the nostril does it gooooood tho
 
I have a gram of this in freebase form. From what I am reading orally is the only way to go? Someone mentions plugging but from what I read plugging only works with freebase if yoiu use a huge amount. Is this correct ?

What dose of freebase would you reccomend gelcapped 50-75mg?

The stuff I have is very lumpy crystal soda coulered stuff.

TIA
 
Legal status in the US?

I am not sure if this has already been posted here, but it's a big thread if anyone knows exactly where post a link.

What is the legal status of 4-meo-pcp in the U.S. as of january 2011?

and anyone that has done 4-meo-pcp, would 250mg be a good dose for a 130lb male with a good amount of experience with dxm, taking into consideration a moderate tolerance for dxm?
The other factor i would like to mention is that for one reason or another i seem to enjoy only the higher, more dissociated plateaus of dxm. From what i have experienced, i always seem to prefer stronger doses of any drug than many of my friends and even just people in general. I am not trying to go into a k-hole or the 4-meo-pcp equivelant. I just want a dose that will provide me with very strong dissociative effects without completely incompassitating me.
 
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