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MDPV Megathread 4 - Egosyntonics R Us

I don't think anybody would argue with the potential for serious compulsion and fiendishness easily on a par with crack and its ilk. True addiction doesn't seem to be a huge issue despite that though which I do find kinda surprising. People go on massive binges - bloody long binges sometimes - but don't recall anybody getting to a point where that crossed the line into true addiction. User numbers are limited as you point out, of course.

As for physical issues, no long term studies exist obviously. All the discussion of potential for health concerns extrapolated from whatever it is chemistry bods extrapolate such things from has pointed to it being ridiculously safe from what I've seen though. That's not proof of it being so, but it is a good sign that nothing appears to be likely to catch up on users down the line.

Impurities such as pyrrolidine or anything else are a risk with any drug - even pharmaceuticals (nowhere near as likely but it happens) - but whether any RC is truly "safe" or not aside from possible impurities certainly can't be said with certainty. Compared to many others, it does look pretty good as far as physical problems go with peevee though. Bottom line is that it is an RC and there are no guarantees so use them at your own risk cos we are indeed playing guinea pig. Egosyntonically.
 
Bah, at least with pv I didn't have to sleep, I hate this insomnia shit!
 
True - it seems to suppress the desire to sleep more effectively and with much less consequence than other stimulants. Staying up 5 days straight with only a few short naps was not that big a deal - the problem is that I could have kept going from there. It is a very unusual and unique drug. I'm thinking of returning to sublingual route again if I can keep from vaporizing any. I did that for years with the grey stuff with no problems and really liked it. The urge to vaporize seems to dissipate after stopping for a day or so, and I haven't touched the stuff in close to a month, so I might give it another shake soon.
Does anyone feel like the effects of smoking are somehow different for me than other routes? I find it not only more compulsive, but it has less stimulation and more quasi-euphoria.
 
yeah, vaping is different for me, too, for the reasons you mentioned, except the "less stimulation" part. i feel plenty stimulated by it. probably moreso, since i do so much more that way.

btw, i couldn't bring myself to flush it, but it's all in liquid form now, so i can't be tempted to vape. and it's much easier to lay off and let myself heal. if it loses potency, oh, well. better than losing my vox, my lungs, my mind :/
 
Shambles said:
That is true, but I do believe Nag is right when he says that in the case of peevee safety was actually one of the reasons it was chosen for the RC market over other possibilities. Pretty sure there was a lot of discussion of that aspect at the time.
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Yep it was picked because of all the pyrovalerone derivatives, it had the lowest toxicity in animal trials. Mind you, with chronic daily dosing of large amounts (like 300-400mg/day via IM for a couple of months) it did cause my psoriasis to become worse, but I reckon that's because of dryness of skin rather than any biochemical issues as it stopped almost immediately after I gave it a rest
 
some remarks
I really enjoy this(if its proper quality),but be prepared for a binge.
do it if you dont have any work or serious appointments the next days.
dont expect to have a dinner with your girlfriend the following day(do it with her if she is
ok with things like this).
have a sober friend,who knows,to talk to you on the phone about the people who talk
out of your toilet bowl ,they are actually ok.
I stayed up for severeral days on crystal before,and in a perverted kind of way I am enjoying
this state of mind,but PLEASE DO THIS IN A CONTROLLED ENVIROMENT !
Dont forget to drink,i do.
Dont forget to pee,I do, but getting the pressure of your bladder is rather nice(not to forget,you will get to hear some nice talk out of the bowl) .
sometimes I feel the ground trembling,first I thought it is a train(I live close to the railways),but this continued even in far remote places.thats ok(maybe first signs of parkison disease).
the muscle tension/pain is probably due to the 10 to 15 hours jerking in front of the monitor.
be safe,be well.
if this sounds to negative,I have to state,that I really think,this a nice addition to the things
to play with.
 
So IM is a good route. How does it compare to IV or vaping ?
Come to think of it I probably shouldn't ask.
Anyone have dilated pupils from heavy use and trouble focusing eyes ?
 
I have terrible trouble focussing my eyes for the first 24 hours or so of a binge but it's fine after that. Never used to get that though so not sure what that's all about, to be honest...

IM peevee is great - not as much of a rush as IV but lasts longer, not as head-mangling as vaping... but lasts a lot longer. It's still pretty brief but is one of the ROA that gives a speedier, more clear-headed buzz. Plugging is probably the most comparable alternative, I'd say. Also has to be said that IM use is as dodgy as IM use of anything else - however pure your peevee is it's not sterile... unless you're keen enough to sterilise it. How would one go about sterilising peevee, I wonder...?

*waits for f&b to pop in and enlighten us*
 
Hey hey remember me?

I ended up doing loads of peevee and went paranoid.

I was terrified I was going to have a stroke/heart attack.

The only way to counteract this was to drink loads of alcohol as I didn't have any benzos.

The final straw came when I lay in bed one day, drinking 14 cans of Heineken with an inverted glass over my chest, listening to my heart beating through it.

The next day, I got up and flushed verything down the bog.

That was three or four months ago. Haven't done any RCs or illegal drugs since.

Just good old alcohol and some fine cigars.

I'm tempted to buy a little alpha tryptamine now as I'm a bit bored but we'll see.
 
Well my initial experiences of PV were terrible....bouncing off walls and paranoid.

Since Meph ban had an urge to try it again.

What can I say, treat it with respect and it rewards you : ) Maybe as someone mentioned before it takes about 3 times to get used to it. You learn to appreciate the high it gives you and as long as you don't go looking for something thats not there it won't beat you down (as I have been before).

Now for the bad....I have never ever missed a whole nights sleep until this week and my new found enjoyment of PV....when I think on it I nearly missed 2 nights sleep! Surprising how such a subtle high can be so addictive!

Now wishing I had purchased a gram or 2 before the ban....should have lasted a lifetime with my 2mg bumps!

Now without being shouted down....noticed some people are now finding that proper Naphyrone isn't that bad, is it a case of it being a subtle and acquired taste (plus lots of respect) like MDPV?
Just wondering whether to get some as PV is now unavailable.
 
So what dose MDPV is a good IM starter with tolerance, and at what volume do you dilute? I found about 20 mg to dissolve with difficulty in 0.3 ml of sterile bacteriostatic saline without filtering. I think this is okay with 99% pure chemical (I hope) versus filtering in cotton. It does eventually entirely disslove in the saline, though the dose might have to be split in two syringes or tuberculin if dose is higher and warmin speeds up the process. Sadly the rush is better from smoking and the effects are not more pronounced. IV as not much better and not worth the pain of rigging
Smoking or sublingal are the best routes, the former if you want the desire to compulsively use for days o end with no sleep, the latter more contollble and very short time of onset. Another technique involves diluting in water and placing in an inhalant device like an empty afrin cotainer. This can be doses to 1 mg / squirt, making it easier to 'build' the high as MDPV is better when slowly dosed up rather than taking a large dose all at once.
 
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*waits for f&b to pop in and enlighten us*
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Boiling water and micron filters (I've got some rubber sealed vials so can produce 25ml of 20mg/ml soln in one go). Of course that just feeds into the whole binge mentality when you can just draw up another hit. At my worst I was making up a vial a day!

Now for the bad....I have never ever missed a whole nights sleep until this week and my new found enjoyment of PV....when I think on it I nearly missed 2 nights sleep! Surprising how such a subtle high can be so addictive!
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Proper perverted piggery (sort of makes you revel in alliterastion as well! =D) can lead to 4 or 5 days without proper sleep where you just indulge in carnal pleasures. If you have any tendancy towards psychotic episodes, this isn't a good idea at all (even if you don't it's not that clever)
 
fastandbulbous said:
Proper perverted piggery (sort of makes you revel in alliterastion as well! =D) can lead to 4 or 5 days without proper sleep where you just indulge in carnal pleasures. If you have any tendancy towards psychotic episodes, this isn't a good idea at all (even if you don't it's not that clever)
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Thanks to Bluelight and reading about extended PV sleep deprivation and associated problems, I knew to quit while ahead!

Strangely the missed night didn't feel that bad on my body, have stayed up to the early hours on other stims and felt like death the next day even after sleeping.

Managed to function well at work and felt like I could do it for a second night.....but then the thought of the "shadow people" paying me a visit as mentioned here made me see sense.

Harm reduction at its finest.
 
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