Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[lala poppy]

i haven't ever gotten high off subox in the least bit...i took 20 mg at 9am yesterday...it's been37 hours...do u think i have waited laong enough? I've been on way higher doses and taken it 24 hrs later and never had any problems...any advice?

 

[toadailly]

would white grapefruit juice make Buprenorphine stonger?

 

[brainwash]

So for the past month and a half I have been using black tar on a pretty consistent basis. I have been using (IV) a 10 bag (I have used ABG morphine's as well, and it seems about 100mg had me pretty good, if thats a better estimation) every 3 days or so. So far I haven't had any withdrawals, but I saw a Suboxone doc on Tuesday to help me with the cravings (which is why I keep going back despite wanting to quit).

Now, I know how ridiculous this is, but he prescribed me 8mg 3 times a day. I know that this is way too much, but I'm having a difficult time figuring out what I should first start my dose at once I get the script (getting it sometime today hopefully). I was originally thinking just an 8mg tab in the morning and see where that takes me the rest of the day, but after reading how some people feel like crap on too high of a dose, it's making me question whether I really want to start with a full 8mg tab.

So can anyone suggest a good starting dose sublingually for my use so I don't go overboard and start feeling the negative effects of too much bupe?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

would white grapefruit juice make Buprenorphine stonger?

I think in general, WGFJ inhibits buprenorphine's metabolization, which increases the peak effects a bit.

I do believe that is true. If someone knows more or wants to add be my guest.

So for the past month and a half I have been using black tar on a pretty consistent basis. I have been using (IV) a 10 bag (I have used ABG morphine's as well, and it seems about 100mg had me pretty good, if thats a better estimation) every 3 days or so. So far I haven't had any withdrawals, but I saw a Suboxone doc on Tuesday to help me with the cravings (which is why I keep going back despite wanting to quit).

Now, I know how ridiculous this is, but he prescribed me 8mg 3 times a day. I know that this is way too much, but I'm having a difficult time figuring out what I should first start my dose at once I get the script (getting it sometime today hopefully). I was originally thinking just an 8mg tab in the morning and see where that takes me the rest of the day, but after reading how some people feel like crap on too high of a dose, it's making me question whether I really want to start with a full 8mg tab.

So can anyone suggest a good starting dose sublingually for my use so I don't go overboard and start feeling the negative effects of too much bupe?

Start with either 2mg or 4mg, then work your way up with 2mg increments until you feel better. I wouldn't take more than 4mg at once when I was first on Suboxone. I think that's a good guideline. 2mg is a better starting dose for most people, but if you have a large IV habit, then you might want to start with 4mg, and work your way up by adding 2mg onto it as needed.

If you actually do need up to 24mg in a day that is OK, but you should work your way up there to see what dose "stabilizes" you in a sense of the word comfortably. You don't want to go above that, and you should get maximum relief this way. I find that the dosing window for buprenorphine is meant to be kind of small so that when you pinpoint how much you need exactly, its effectiveness is the best. That's what I have found to be true about buprenorphine.

 

[previouslyhere]

tapering question:

I've been on 2MG/day for almost 2 years. I want to start tapering. The past re-fill I had the doctor gave me 8MG pills instead of my normal 2MG pills, so I've been splitting them into 1/4ths... so 1 8MG pill lasts me 4 to 5 days about...

I want to start tapering now... whats the best way to do it and even more, a better way to split these pills up into smaller doses? I can only split the 8MGs up into about 6 "chunks" at the most before everything starts to crumble.

I have 15 more 8MG pills. Ideally I'd like to be done by Christmas. If this doesnt work I can go back to the doctor but I'd definitely like to get off suboxone this year.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

tapering question:

I've been on 2MG/day for almost 2 years. I want to start tapering. The past re-fill I had the doctor gave me 8MG pills instead of my normal 2MG pills, so I've been splitting them into 1/4ths... so 1 8MG pill lasts me 4 to 5 days about...

I want to start tapering now... whats the best way to do it and even more, a better way to split these pills up into smaller doses? I can only split the 8MGs up into about 6 "chunks" at the most before everything starts to crumble.

I have 15 more 8MG pills. Ideally I'd like to be done by Christmas. If this doesnt work I can go back to the doctor but I'd definitely like to get off suboxone this year.

Use a pill crusher, a pill splitter, and a sterile surface and clean utensils to divide the powder (like razors), and divide it into piles.

If you crush up 2mg at a time, and split up the powder 4 ways, each pile should have approximately 0.5mg. You can take one pile three times a day, and start tapering down as you feel is needed.

Best of luck. If you have any other questions feel free to ask away.

 

[rickylee]

helloooo

I am new to this site, and i think its the cat's meow...sooo if im posting something where i shouldnt be, please let me know...my question is this...i have been taking subs, about 4mg for about a year, err give or take. i have abstained from said dosage for 3 days, expecting a "gift" to arrive today, of another opiate, sadly, i was disapointed, however, feeling a bit sick, i took 2mg of the sub at 12pm today. tis fent i speak of, so how long should i wait? i rarely use other opiates beside subs, and the fent shall be here tomorrow..should i wait till sunday morn? tis friday now.

 

[Pegasus]

^Sunday seems good... That'll be what, like 40-something hours? Since you took off the previous few days, you'll have gotten a good bit out of your system by Sunday.

 

[TheMadHatter]

could i have stopped breathing?

i use opiates maybe once a week (weigh 120 pounds). monday i drank pod tea, and yesterday at 11:30 a.m. i snorted 2 mg of suboxone. i have used bupe before and have always gotten nauseous, and last night was no exception. around 8pm i started throwing up, after a length of gastrointestinal discomfort. i went to bed at approx 1am, and since waking up at 6 feel like absolute shit. when i got up my lips and eyelids weren't cyan or any hue of blue, and i was breathing the same relaxed breath as when i went to sleep.

is it more likely that my current state is derived from dehydration overnight and a bupe comedown? or could i have stopped breathing 13.5 hours after i dosed?

 

[skoat]

What? no, you didn't stop breathing buddy. You'd no longer be with us if that were the case.

I hate bupe and use opiates recreationally as well. Bupe will make me boot and feel quite uncomfortable without pot. Dehydration? Maybe, but stick to the fun opiates if your going to bother with it.

 

[Too many doses]

^what he said. Seriously how would you have stopped breathing for extended periods all night and not died?

 

[thelung]

You're probably just feeling a little bit of w/d symptoms. You didn't stop breathing or any of that.. You'll be just fine sir.

 

[rolls]

Well I've found myself a private prescriber and I'm going on long term (as short as possible) subutex, looking at 4mg and dropping to 2mg asap, and then stabilising and slowly dropping.

Got a 7 day chemist near by that will dose me daily for $25 a week and I can turn up between 9-5pm no piss tests or anything. After the first week I can get 3-4 take aways a week as well.

This is going to work really well for me and I think it will get me finally clean.

Thank you so much to then woman who spent the 3 hours calling favours on all her friends (doctors and colleagues) to find a doctor who will take me on and a pharmacy 5 minutes walk from my house.

 

[nabbon]

Thursday I had planned on dosing 2mg/2x, but I ended up taking my evening dose at 3PM since I was feeling anxious. I woke up at 3AM Friday morning with slight w/d symptoms and dosed 2mg to get back to sleep. At 8AM when I got up I was still feeling w/d's and took another 2mg dose which I didn't feel it at all. At 3PM I dosed another 2mg and still without feeling any improvement. Finally at 6PM I did my evening dose which held me through the night.
Friday morning I woke up feeling slight w/d's and dosed 2mg as planned and felt some relief. At 2PM, I dosed an additional 2mg and felt no better. I did the evening dose as usual at 6PM and another at 8PM which I finally felt some effect and went through the night ok. Woke up feeling fine. Today, Saturday, I used the 2mg for AM, noon, and PM dose and felt better all day compared to Friday.

I pushed it too far, too fast but I wanted to see where my system would bottom out. The 2mg/x3 appears to have me stabilized once again or at least it was today.

I plan on maintaining the 2mg/x3 dose for at least a few days if it hopefully keeps me from feeling any w/d symptoms.

Captain, you split 1mg 3 or 4 times a day right? If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been doing this and how do you administer your doses?
Cheers

 

[nabbon]

Well I've found myself a private prescriber and I'm going on long term (as short as possible) subutex, looking at 4mg and dropping to 2mg asap, and then stabilising and slowly dropping.

Got a 7 day chemist near by that will dose me daily for $25 a week and I can turn up between 9-5pm no piss tests or anything. After the first week I can get 3-4 take aways a week as well.

This is going to work really well for me and I think it will get me finally clean.

Congratulations! Sounds like a plan you can work with well, wish I had started out on that dose in the beginning

All the best of luck to you.

 

[rolls]

Congratulations! Sounds like a plan you can work with well, wish I had started out on that dose in the beginning

All the best of luck to you.

Apparently they are meant to watch me dose there but most the time they don't have time to. I am going to ask if I can take the 2mg there initially and the other 2mg later in the afternoon as I believe this will hold me better than one big dose.

Thanks capt h for the PM, I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to reply properly but I did really appreciate it. You do a lot of good work for this site.

 

[ATLien88]

The only time I've ever stopped breathing required paramedics, so I'm guessing that didn't happen to you.

 

[PhantomPt2]

I have a quick question, and I really apologize if this has been answered before, seeing as how I didn't really read each and every single page of this thread. It's kind of a stupid question, however there's plenty people a lot more knowledgeable than me on here so what the hell...

I've been on suboxone maitenance for the past month or so attempting to quit my dope habit. I started out at 8 mg of suboxone a day, and after a couple weeks I tapered to 6 mg. A few days after getting to 6 mg I found myself with an urge to get the good ol' opiate high that we all know and love, that I haven't had in a little while. I decided that I would try snorting my subs nasally to see if they would bring any sort of high seeing as how nasal bioavailability is higher than sublingual. So I snorted two 2 mg suboxone, 4 mg total and I actually found myself feeling a little bit of a high, nothing compared to dope ofcourse, but I still felt "kind of" good. My question is, after already being fairly used to a sublingual dose of 6-8mg on subs, is it possible that I actually did get high by snorting that dose?, or was it simply all in my head? Because at the time I did it simply to come down from an upper that I had taken that day. I know everyones body is different than others, but if anyone has any further experience than me. Let me know, thanks!

 

[95Land]

Yeah........ Suboxone's kind of a weird drug. I've seen people who were rare occasion opiate users and had never taken it before, take a quarter or a half, and get good and high.
I've also seen people that weren't opiate addicted but had used regularly before, take the same amount and have similar reactions to what you described. Severe nausea and vomiting, as well as, diarrhea and profuse sweating. Seems like it affects some people in a very different, unpleasant way. To be clear, I'm not talking about precipitated withdrawals.
Seems you may have just had a bad reaction to the bupe. As others have said, you didn't stop breathing for a period of time. For the purposes of recreation, I'd stick with your tea.

 

[ZombieAssassin]

yeah I'm not a fan of sub's, but you probably didn't stop breathing. Like other people have stated your more than likely dehydrated and probably are feeling a little shity.