Mjäll
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sounds like you need to eat some mushrooms man
I've tripped many times without ever abandoning my logical thinking afterwards.
sounds like you need to eat some mushrooms man
just for future reference, shrooms are fucking drugs, not sacred teachers.
Psilocybe mushrooms are actually a very complex mixture of different idolic compounds -- some of which we consider 'drugs' and some we don't.
I don't even want to get into the discussion of how this category we label as 'drugs' is a fictitious entity -- two compounds could have very little in common chemically and pharmacologically and still be grouped together under this 'drug' label.
Bottom line, though, is that all this talk of semantics is unimportant. Mushrooms aren't 'drugs', 'drug' is just a word -- an abstraction -- that our mind develops and projects onto the actual thing. What mushrooms actually are, or anything is for that matter, is different than the label that is applied to it. The actual things are much more nebulous.
delusions such as the one you are suffering from.
real world is not set in stone since everything is relative and whatnot.
Psychedelics manifest your fantasy as sensory experience
coming out of a trip and trying to apply what you learned in to a sober and real-world setting will not help you excel in anything other than possibly philosophy.
Here's an anecdote: When the tribes who use Ayahuasca were first discovered, they asked the explorers about things like cities, and stuff they should not even know about. Turns out they had seen cities and other parts of the world on their ayahuasca trips.
belief of "plant spirits" has no value other than as a ritualistic meta-programming tool?
That's really interesting. Can you point me towards some further reading?
Now you're making a lot more sense. Now how does this "spirit" talk hold up as science?
If the answer is "it doesn't" then fine. Nothing wrong with being religious.
Mushrooms are not plants by the way. Anyway why is it so hard to believe in "plant spirits?"
That plants and fungi would be sentient?
They are alive. They communicate with each other. Some fungi may be able to remember things.
When you eat mushroom tissue, it is basically still alive, when it goes into your stomach. What if it communicates with your mind in some way we don't quite understand yet, which gives you the sensation of a contact with the "mushroom spirit"...?
What if, indeed. Of course this is just speculation, but remember that if no one would ever have asked "what if" none of the scientific advances of mankind would ever have been invented.
I think youre meshing spirituality with religion
having a mushroom trip does not grant any insight regarding the truth of it.
There are things in this reality which do not conform to the standards of rational science. Things you simply can not understand from a purely scientific point of view. On some things you just have to go by your instinct. This does not mean these things are any more or less true than things you can prove by science, nor does it mean that science is bad or uninmportant. There's a place for everything.
In the end, we know very little. We make lots of assumptions. You may not believe in anything that you can not rationalize, you may look at life through the narrow view of what fits the definition of reality by scientific standards, or you may accept that nothing is certain, what is true today may not be tomorrow, and go by what feels right to you. Nothing wrong with either way.
In the end, everyone should do what makes them happy. I'm content with that.
Maybe we should just leave it at that
Mushrooms are a sacred expression of Gaia's love. Try not to embarrass yourself in the presence of this ancient and revered teacher by munching soul-numbing pharmaceuticals.
The mushroom is perfect and complete on its own. Give yourself to it, you might learn something.