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Heroin addict gets life sentence for shoplifting

So by that logic, i should be able to do crime, as long as its not too bad? No, crime is crime, and in this case she is a career criminal, getting high off other peoples hardships... she has no place in society. Shes been arrested and jailed several times in the past, which effectively would have been rehab seen as she wouldnt have been able to do H in there. She really has no excuse what so ever. Business' around the world lose billions of dollars every fucking year because of cunts like this, and you know who pays these business' back? WE DO, THE HONEST, HARDWORKING FUCKING CONSUMER.
 
moonyham said:
crime is crime.. Business' around the world lose billions of dollars every fucking year because of cunts like this, and you know who pays these business' back? WE DO, THE HONEST, HARDWORKING FUCKING CONSUMER.
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hey 'honest hardworking consumer', how bout you buy a clue instead of a 3rd world made designer purse next time you're at the mall. you fucking brainwashed tool!
 
On the one hand, I feel bad for her. I don't imagine that living with that kind of addiction is easy.. I also realise that people don't start drugs thinking they will become an addict, and being an addict doesn't make you a bad person.. but it can bring out the worst in you.

On the other hand, it's not fair to anyone if she got away with this crime with just a slap on the wrist. Although her habit made stealing ideal, no one MADE her do it. We all have freedom of choice. The government doesn't "owe" her anything, but I do feel they could've been a little more compassionate.

I'd have to say that a life sentence is pretty extreme. I think a rehab program and then a few years in the slammer would be appropriate.
 
"We’ve got to do something," the judge said. "She’s costing every hard-working taxpayer in this state money because these businesses have to raise prices because thieves like her come and steal because, I guess, they’re too lazy to go to work."
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OK, and going to jail for life is going to help the taxpayer how?

Stupid fucking reasoning on the judge's part.
 
colors said:
hey 'honest hardworking consumer', how bout you buy a clue instead of a 3rd world made designer purse next time you're at the mall. you fucking brainwashed tool!
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Yeah thing is, people who shop lift all the time dont just focus in on one thing, of which was reported 'designer hand bags'. They steal alot of everyday stuff like batterys and other expensives at the supermarket. So FUCK YOU TOO.


I mean, you might be fine with paying for someone to get fucked up on H or meth or what ever, out of your own pocket.. but i sure as hell arent. Every dollar you spend at a shop, whether its a supermarket, walmart, or gucci... well all of em are being taxed by junkies like this.
 
I agree with the post that basically said, "Yeah, addiction sucks, but you don't start taking drugs by accident. Its a result of bad choices." If you don't have the means to support it, you shouldn't be starting it in the first place. I have some sympathy for people who are addicted, it must be hard, but I also know that unless they were kidnapped, tied up, and had dope shot into them, they got that way themselves.

As someone who thinks drugs should be legalized and are not a real crime in and of themselves, if I hear someone is an addict only (not a thief) then I think nothing bad about them, just that I hope if their life isn't together, they are able to get it that way. If I hear someone is a thief, I think a lot of bad shit about them because I've been the victim of thieves before and its not a good feeling. If I hear someone is an addict and a thief, the thief part definitely trumps the addict part. They are exactly the same as any other thief in my mind.

That is my GENERAL opinion. In this case, of course, the sentence was ridiculous. No petty theft, no matter how many times repeated, warrants a life sentence. She deserved to go to prison, but not for that long. Maybe prison for a year or two, follow by mandatory in-patient rehab until she could stay clean.
 
Harsh but i think lot of people here have to look at it from a different perspective. No one forced her to become a heroin addict, she was the one who picked up the needle or smoked that shit and she knew what could happen. If she didnt then more fool her. I dunno about the rest of the people on this forum but I understand that I have what some might call an addictive personality so when/if i get offered something like Coke or H which is known to make people act in this way because of addiction, I pass. I'm not trying to sound judgemental or anything but at the end of the day she's an adult. I have no problem with people doing whatever they like in their own homes but when they start becoming a problem for society, using money from the government (tax payers) to get high and then causing more of an expense when they OD and need treatment or get locked up, I find I have no sympathy. I get high. But I work to pay for my shit and I ensure it doesnt come before work, school or anything else important. Im 16.

Having said that, shoplifting is shoplifting and she should have been sentanced fairly. Which she wasnt.
 
moonyham it costs about $30,000 a YEAR to keep a prisoner locked up.

So by that logic, i should be able to do crime, as long as its not too bad? No, crime is crime
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So you truly believe that all crimes are equal? That there aren't any crimes that are worse than others? I don't believe anyone could believe that. So, by your 'logic' (though I hesitate to call it that) the speeding fine I just got makes me equal to a rapist or a killer?

And I'm assuming that you must have been nothing but a saint your whole life and never committed one crime, like... drugs perhaps?
I don't want my tax dollar paying for junkies to steal from shops. Neither do I want it spent on the totaly useless imprisonment of one for 25 years. I would rather it was spent on her rehabilitation.
 
footscrazy said:
I don't want my tax dollar paying for junkies to steal from shops. Neither do I want it spent on the totaly useless imprisonment of one for 25 years. I would rather it was spent on her rehabilitation.
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you just changed my perspective a little bit.
 
footscrazy said:
moonyham it costs about $30,000 a YEAR to keep a prisoner locked up.



So you truly believe that all crimes are equal? That there aren't any crimes that are worse than others? I don't believe anyone could believe that. So, by your 'logic' (though I hesitate to call it that) the speeding fine I just got makes me equal to a rapist or a killer?

And I'm assuming that you must have been nothing but a saint your whole life and never committed one crime, like... drugs perhaps?
I don't want my tax dollar paying for junkies to steal from shops. Neither do I want it spent on the totaly useless imprisonment of one for 25 years. I would rather it was spent on her rehabilitation.
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I didnt put my message across. It was meant to say 'So i should be able to crime after crime, as long as its not too bad?'. I dont think, for a 1 off offence of shop lifting that a life imprisonment is right, but she is a repeat offender, and its pretty obvious that this is what shes done her whole life.

30k a year? Well, shes probably stealing minimum that amount. I mean to live an average life PLUS heroin addiction.. that costs atleast 20k a year.. of which none comes from legit sources.. it comes out of OUR pockets.
 
if she's been stealing all over the country since 1971 i dont give a shit.

jail will get her off the dope
 
chemical ali said:
if she's been stealing all over the country since 1971 i dont give a shit.

jail will get her off the dope
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Whats the point of getting off the dope if you are spending the rest of your life in jail?

As to those who say it is a choice to get addicted- It's not that simple. Its a compulsion that defies rational, logical thought. You really think people decide to be heroin addicts? Obviously you aren't addicts. It just frustrates and disappoints me that people on this site are so close-minded and obtuse.
 
Life fucking sentence?!?!?!
A tad over the top really isn't it?
I remember those cops that killed an old lady and planted drugs got... 6 years or something?
The wonder of the justice system 8)
 
This makes me sick. She should be getting help for her addiction, not life in prison.
 
jdizzle said:
Whats the point of getting off the dope if you are spending the rest of your life in jail?

As to those who say it is a choice to get addicted- It's not that simple. Its a compulsion that defies rational, logical thought. You really think people decide to be heroin addicts? Obviously you aren't addicts. It just frustrates and disappoints me that people on this site are so close-minded and obtuse.
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no, obviously I and others dont think people choose to become H addicts... but you DO definitly choose to do H for the first time, with clear rational thinking. You DO choose to start buying it regularly, while in between doses, you are rational.

Its pretty easy to avoid addiction if you can see it coming, which generally unless your a moron you can do.. though most people just ignore it which is where the problems start unfortunatly...hmmm ignorance is bliss huh.
 
jdizzle said:
Whats the point of getting off the dope if you are spending the rest of your life in jail?

As to those who say it is a choice to get addicted- It's not that simple. Its a compulsion that defies rational, logical thought. You really think people decide to be heroin addicts? Obviously you aren't addicts. It just frustrates and disappoints me that people on this site are so close-minded and obtuse.
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Actually I am an addict. Did I choose to become an addict? Perhaps not, but I certainly made the conscious decision to use the drugs to get high knowing full well what the consequence of that decision could possibly be.

What amazes me is the idiocy of everyone who wants to excuse an addict and theif of responsibility.

No one made her an addict. Not her surroundings, not her childhood, not her seizures. She made the decision to abuse drugs. I'm pretty sure that even if she started abusing the drugs 40 or 50 years ago, the link between drug abuse and addiction was well established. No one can honestly say that she didn't know exactly what the potential consequences of drug abuse were.
 
^^ For me the fact she's an addict makes little difference. Addict or not, I think a life sentence is ridiculous and isn't beneficial to anyone. I still think the focus should be on her rehabilitation, whether that's do help her overcome her addiction or just to help her live a life in which she doesn't feel like stealing.
 
Kleptoamania is also a very real disease. Perhaps we should absolve her of responsibility because of this?

Agreed, a life sentence is much to harsh. However, I don't really have a problem with long term mandated in patient psychiatric treatment- like I said, it's a disease and should be treated as such. That said, I don't know that this sort of punishment, as meted out, is exactly constitutional. This is not a cruel punishment, but it is certainly unusual. Generally we require that the punishment fit the crime. The courts have gone so far as to say that executing a child rapist is not constitutional. If this is not constitutional, I don't see how life for theft could be. (note: I'm against all forms of capital punishment, but it's difficult to imagine how executing a child rapist is unconstitutional).

But then again, addiction didn't make her steal. There are many other ways to earn money. Hell, at least prostitution doesn't harm anyone else. Not saying that's the right thing to do, just illustrating a point.
 
nguboi said:
lololololololol seconded.

what a backward ass state, I think what makes me MOST pissed off about this state is 3 point miller light, budweiser and blue moon. CMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I couldn't agree more. There would be fewer gross old guys with beer bellies if our beer was six point too. They wouldn't have to drink double the calories to get the same amount of alcohol. I'm over this place. A life sentence for her is over the top and more proof that Oklahoma needs to crawl out of the dark ages.
 
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