Psychedelics and "hard" drugs

[Youkai]

crack, coke, meth, pharmies
i'v done them all.

I tried things like e, shrooms and acid first but i never excluded "hard drugs" from things i would try.

Lucky for me i never got into any of the above listed hard drugs (except for a short stint with meth about 5 years ago) and always prefered psyhedelics and empathogens.

Although speed or coke are fun for sex every once in a while psychedelics are so much better.

The only hard drug i use on a semi regular basis is heroin.
I find the high to be superior to pharmaceutical opioids and it doesnt hurt the pocket as much.
Also i have never had a problem with my heroin use (and pharmaceutical opioids before that). I use on average about 2 times a month, sometimes a lil more other times a little less. And i keep it to insufflation and not needles (though i am quite curious about IV heroin).

once you start putting 1 thing in your vein, you'll start putting it all...ifpossible.

Iv heroin isnt that much better then smoked. But once you IV other routes just arnt as effective.

 

[Youkai]

oh, and I use hard drugs just as much if not more then I do psychedelics now. but this is reserved only to crack and heroin. They both give me empty highs I can chase over and over again always giving me teh same empty high. rather then chasing some of my favorite psycheelics which have been VERY fullfilling but in time loose tehre magic. These hard drugs remain the same empty fun/recreational tools they started as in the beganing.

 

[Delsyd]

Perhaps after using hard drugs for a while your view might change.
I dont know for sure.
It just seems that you used psychedelics more than hard drugs untill just recently. So maybe in in a few months or more your opinion on hard drugs will change.

I see it going to no where good. If you continue to use at a high rate you will surely become adicted physically or otherwise. At that point the high might not be so great any more, or just not worth it.
I dunno man.
I hope all goes well with you.
take care of yourself.
love+lite

 

[Youkai]

Perhaps after using hard drugs for a while your view might change.
I dont know for sure.
It just seems that you used psychedelics more than hard drugs untill just recently. So maybe in in a few months or more your opinion on hard drugs will change.

I see it going to no where good. If you continue to use at a high rate you will surely become adicted physically or otherwise. At that point the high might not be so great any more, or just not worth it.
I dunno man.
I hope all goes well with you.
take care of yourself.
love+lite

Im well aware of this, its not like the people who introduced me to heroin and crack are just occasional users like me, the one girl has been one three bags of dope a day for 4 years, the guy has been on at least a gram of crack a day and if they dont have them then they eat enough xanax/benzos to sleep untill they can score again. I didnt meet them through crack and heroin so I wont leave them because of it. I see how, have felt why and have experienced when you cross that line into "this is no longer fun, but I NEED it to function, need it to feel normal." Last night I intentionaly stayed out side and then late late night squated at a distant friends house. Why? because I wasnt ready to go another round of shooting dope/coke and smoking crack. I may be at the point where it will be too hard to say no when everyone is getting faced around me. I dont seek it out on my own so if Im away then I dont have to do it. right now I would prob shoot soem dope just to kill this boredom of waiting for something to do, but Im not going to go to the corner and score. nor am I going to call anyone in order to do so. thursday my money will be right for me to skip town and head up north, if I can stay sober besides some good ganja then Im set, I dont need to chase empty highs when I can chase booty


addiction is like sex with a gorilla, its not over untill teh gorilla says its over.

 

[MasterOfDeception]

oh, and I use hard drugs just as much if not more then I do psychedelics now. but this is reserved only to crack and heroin. They both give me empty highs I can chase over and over again always giving me teh same empty high. rather then chasing some of my favorite psycheelics which have been VERY fullfilling but in time loose tehre magic. These hard drugs remain the same empty fun/recreational tools they started as in the beganing.

So why do you keep chasing the 'hard' drugs?

 

[Youkai]

So why do you keep chasing the 'hard' drugs?

Im not chasing them, Im chasing the high. ANY high. to fullfill needs, desires created by a lack of some things in my life. are these things created by the ego/outer conditioned self? ammenities that are not truely needed in order to be "happy" as the way social conditioning has explained it to us? this is the questions I had in heavy psychedelic use and prob the reason. Heavy psychedelic chasing to me is like chasing that realisation again, but you already have it, so its kind dissapointing but much less dissapointing then teh reality that the realisation doesnt realy help you on the out side. Your still human you know? well this different type of chasing, its much less "mental" and more of a "ease of pain" type sensation rather then realisation.

basicly, I get high, I like to get high. I like to forget and re-arrange, let go and give in. this can be accomplished by just being, in society Id be called a bum. Doing nothing for my self and just surviving. With the chase of the high, the satisfaction? Im more inclinded to do something to get it. Horrible when I realy think that drugs are what makes me get up in the morning. Not entirely true but is one of my main drives through out teh day.

But Im a;lso one hell of a swell guy.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

Youkai... Take care of yourself, boredom is a bitch but life is right here, right within you, waiting for you to play with it. Personally I know heroin is a great escape from boredom, I mean seriously whats better than a nice nod? But keep it in perspective like I know you can. Plus festy season is almost upon us and the boredom will be lifted with some nice live music.

I started using psychedelics after years of marijuana use. I now use heroin/ opiates on average 3 to 5 times a month. So i chose the psychedelics first option. I have yet to IV heroin, I find it so lovely via insuflfation that sticking myself with a needle just doesn't seem worth it.

I have to say that psychedelics are a summertime event. There is nothing better than a warm clear day, a hike and some good old LSD (except for a warm clear day at a festival with some good old LSD) I find that winter makes me depressed and cynical, opiates fit winter weather like a glove. They warm you up and let you contently nod away the winter. Spring is here, its getting warmer, and Im already feeling the desire to take opiates melt away.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

^ There is nothing like psychedelia on a beautiful spring/summer day but I find that tripping indoors in sensory deprivation to be just as meaningful and I even get further.

 

[SKL]

"this is no longer fun, but I NEED it to function, need it to feel normal.

I can not think of a better definition of addiction. When your drugs stop being recreational and start being a chore.

and delsyd, we've talked about iv heroin before i think ... part of me wants to say don't satisfy that curiosity, but part of me also says that it's a thing which is worth experiencing -- i dunno -- i'm always torn on the idea of turning friends on to it, you know?

 

[Youkai]

I can not think of a better definition of addiction. When your drugs stop being recreational and start being a chore.

and delsyd, we've talked about iv heroin before i think ... part of me wants to say don't satisfy that curiosity, but part of me also says that it's a thing which is worth experiencing -- i dunno -- i'm always torn on the idea of turning friends on to it, you know?

I smoked and snorted it first, then I requested to shoot it. I was banging ketamine so I figured might as well mainline it.

it felt GREAT!!!! I cpould realy go for a bag right now.. but will prob wait till befor I get on a bus befor I shoot up again.


freshly banged boy + 4 hour bus ride = youkai waking up to a new city.

 

[SKL]

^ oh i feel you

the only thing that keeps me in line up here is that dope is really really expensive

 

[topzigzag]

yeah, i feel that there is two main categories when it comes to substances. those that suppress, and those that express. i, myself am more into expression, although suppression is good in moderation

 

[SKL]

it's cyclical for me

 

[psood0nym]

My psychedelics use came before my "hard drug" use, though psychs weren't exactly gateway drugs. If anything convinced me I could use hard drugs and most likely be fine it was my pattern of use with cigarettes (because they're physically addictive.) I only liked them when I was drunk, high, or tripping, and used them reliably in this way over the years even as other friends became addicted and started smoking while sober. The other reason is that I'm lucky enough to have no persistent emotional need to escape my life, and a need for escape along with an addictive personality are the two biggest personal factors leading to addiction. I've used meth, other amphetamines, oxycontin, methadone, coke (I once made crack just to see what it was about (not much) and haven't done it again), and GHB (this had the most compulsive drive to repeat daily), none chronically. My purpose in using them is to experience great heights of non-commital euphoria--raw hedonism and indulgence--and keeping this in mind motivates moderation in their use because I understand that occasional use results in more euphoric single experiences than regular use. I will probably IV heroin before I die, but don't expect that I'll be that impressed, as none of the hard drugs I've tried even remotely compare to the euphoria I've experienced on psychedelics, qualitatively or quantitatively.

 

[trancedeviate]

none of the hard drugs I've tried even remotely compare to the euphoria I've experienced on psychedelics, qualitatively or quantitatively.

I hear you, and I agree. I think the reason for this is that the euphoria from hard drugs is "forced" (it doesn't require any input from you, per se... it's just what 'feelgood' drugs do) whereas with psychedelics, it depends on the user to attain whatever level kind of trip or level of euphoria they're looking for. If the person is pure of heart or so to speak, is not afraid of the trip, and embraces it with open arms the euphoria with psychedelics goes far beyond words.

 

[chicpoena]

I used psychedelics (mainly shrooms) before I ever tried "hard" drugs.

I became addicted to opiates in attempt to dull a lot of the realizations and lessons I learned from tripping. A lot of those lessons are hard, and I'm still working on them years later. I guess how that's when you know you had a powerful trip... when the effects last years beyond the experience itself.

 

[Delsyd]

kind of off topic but:
DMT and opiates while nice and relaxing takes away from some of DMT beauty.

 

[<pyridinyl_30>]

I consider lsd to be the hardest drug I have taken.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

kind of off topic but:
DMT and opiates while nice and relaxing takes away from some of DMT beauty.

I on the other hand found it spectacular and perfect and lacking in no beauty what so ever. :D

 

[malakaix]

I consider lsd to be the hardest drug I have taken.

Same for me. I know people hate classifying it as a 'hard drug', i'm just speaking in terms of what as had the biggest effect on me, not that its 'hard' like heroin or meth.

Did a lot of MDMA and pot before i touched LSD though.