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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Ethnobotanicals Kava extract (wow)

Hey all,

At the time, I was doing door to door sales (b2b), and I saw a Kava bar in my territory. Never heard of that before. So, I walked in to give my half assed sales pitch. They didn't buy it but gave me 2 free cups of Kava. I didn't know what to expect but it made me feel like a mix of some sort of benzo mixed with bud, in a sense. I've never tried the extract but have an idea of the potency.

Just wanted to share that bc I thought that an actually Kava bar was pretty tight lol.

Cheers,
LS
That's a pretty good description of kava's effects. Kava increases gaba in the brain and one of the kavalactones has an effect on the CB1 endocannabinoid receptor so there is definitely some similarity between the two compounds in your description.
 
That's a pretty good description of kava's effects. Kava increases gaba in the brain and one of the kavalactones has an effect on the CB1 endocannabinoid receptor so there is definitely some similarity between the two compounds in your description.
Interesting, didn't know that kava targets CB1! Do you have a source / binding chart for that?

Just downed a strawberry-kava-milkshake. Borks, this screams for extraction. Re-ally nobody a clue how to extract kava?
 
Interesting, didn't know that kava targets CB1! Do you have a source / binding chart for that?

Just downed a strawberry-kava-milkshake. Borks, this screams for extraction. Re-ally nobody a clue how to extract kava?
I don't have a good, high purity kavalactone extraction TEK, but I'm going to follow this thread in case one comes up.
 
Isn't there one in the megathread? @Anonymous Dissident
 
Isn't there one in the megathread? @Anonymous Dissident
Oh, just 15 pages :| will have to read through I guess, or anybody having a link? The kava taste is so bad, kratom's tasting good in comparison.

Best would be to purify the kavalactones but I'm happy with anything which reduces the amount of substance to ingest, and/or removes the taste.

Kava bar's and Kratom cafe's, legal Cannabis.

The USA is really going for it, the individual right to put in your body what you want. i am jealous.
Mmh, you have (currently still) the probably biggest RC offers in the whole world. But yeah, from what I read the tendency in Europe goes in a bad direction while the US open up for cannabis etc. when they started this fucking war on drugs we all suffer from..
 
I find using about 2/3 pint per wash of hot water. By the time it's strained it should be cool enough to chug, then I start sipping a nice strong black coffee which takes away the taste fast. That's how I do it anyway and don't find it too bad.
 
I'm sure you could pull a good kava brew Tek outta your hat @AutoTripper!
I can't help this cause actually. I'm no nuclear scientist lol. More a naturalist.

I go through tonnes of root though. 70-100 grams daily but my 24 hours are like a few weeks mentally.

Black coffee before or betwixt does help.

The olfactory bulb must be considered perhaps. Ways to manipulate, mask, fuse.

For example, one other specific feature of kava I have observed personally.

Raw Garlic and kava are complimentary, medicinally, actively.

A poster on Kavaforums insisted a few years ago that by taking raw garlic crushed right before drinking his kava he got significantly better effects from the kava.

His belief was the raw garlic raised his stomach acid.

I don't accept that, nor refuse it. It's a weak supposition.

My own experience, I have been using crushed raw organic garlic daily as a vital allergy management tool for years. It's an incredible remedy for the respiratory system but not so easy on the stomach, though on empty tummy crushed and 10 minute sat garlic therefore maximum allicin level, is highly detoxing to the stomach.

Raw organic garlic this way, high allicin level vs non organic, not minced and sat for the conversion into allicin, probably 90% more actual allicin than people regularly intake by eating garlic other ways, is IME the most potent broad range natural food drug potentiator.

So my routine has long been using minced raw must be organic garlic starting out for allergy sake. Drinking kava after the garlic, the kava settles the stomach from garlic and the garlic is present in the olfactory bulb, masking the kava's pepperiness.

I also become conscious of the taste of garlic on my tongue as I drink the kava, following.

So I'm sure the garlic is enabling my olfactory bulb to wash the kava down, less aware of the taste.

After enough kava, if you can get there and be comfortable, it's much easier to drink.

I do struggle with it I admit. Same difficulty. Just press a button please lol give me my hourly load of Kavalactones basically, is what we're saying.

Because wishing it to taste like chocolate milk is absurder.

The cultivar matters most to me. I can't drink Vanuatan kavas. Fijian, depending, can glide down relatively.
 
A poster on Kavaforums insisted a few years ago that by taking raw garlic crushed right before drinking his kava he got significantly better effects from the kava.

His belief was the raw garlic raised his stomach acid.

I don't accept that, nor refuse it. It's a weak supposition.
With kratom it's actually the opposite, taking e.g. omeprazole some time before the kratom increases the amount of absorbed alkaloids, stomach acid destroys them.

I have a package of black garlic here, my gf bought it but says it raises her pression (she has already some hypertonia), maybe I'll try it but I don't have so much hope for the usual natural suspects, unfortunately they tend not to work for me.
Will acquire some acetone the next days and try to extract, alternatively with alcohol, I don't think I could get ether or more specific solvents so I hope to get something low hanging out of kava..

Crazy somehow how much kava you manage to get down. I feel the urge to vomit after just a few sips, it's maskable by these flavour bags sold in Walmart etc. but not completely, the emetic effect remains, I can't take enough for really getting effects so I hope for extraction..

The cultivar matters most to me. I can't drink Vanuatan kavas. Fijian, depending, can glide down relatively.
Yeah I have to experiment with more strains, so far I guess that I have most Vanuatun because I thought this to be where the plant comes from.. but another strain, I forgot which one, was less pepper-ish but still emetic.
 
Mmh, you have (currently still) the probably biggest RC offers in the whole world. But yeah, from what I read the tendency in Europe goes in a bad direction while the US open up for cannabis etc. when they started this fucking war on drugs we all suffer from..
Yes irony to that. USA fully legal kava, pretty much with cannabis.

Europe, you can't get kava into Germany. UK is a virtual smuggle even though it's legal trade. Still semi black listed. No chance of what was an inevitable tide of cannabis legalisation 3 years ago, within 5 years max then.

Cshit put this firmly off the roster.

But USA has been largely
With kratom it's actually the opposite, taking e.g. omeprazole some time before the kratom increases the amount of absorbed alkaloids, stomach acid destroys them.

I have a package of black garlic here, my gf bought it but says it raises her pression (she has already some hypertonia), maybe I'll try it but I don't have so much hope for the usual natural suspects, unfortunately they tend not to work for me.
Will acquire some acetone the next days and try to extract, alternatively with alcohol, I don't think I could get ether or more specific solvents so I hope to get something low hanging out of kava..

Crazy somehow how much kava you manage to get down. I feel the urge to vomit after just a few sips, it's maskable by these flavour bags sold in Walmart etc. but not completely, the emetic effect remains, I can't take enough for really getting effects so I hope for extraction..


Yeah I have to experiment with more strains, so far I guess that I have most Vanuatun because I thought this to be where the plant comes from.. but another strain, I forgot which one, was less pepper-ish but still emetic.
With kratom it's actually the opposite, taking e.g. omeprazole some time before the kratom increases the amount of absorbed alkaloids, stomach acid destroys them.

I have a package of black garlic here, my gf bought it but says it raises her pression (she has already some hypertonia), maybe I'll try it but I don't have so much hope for the usual natural suspects, unfortunately they tend not to work for me.
Will acquire some acetone the next days and try to extract, alternatively with alcohol, I don't think I could get ether or more specific solvents so I hope to get something low hanging out of kava..

Crazy somehow how much kava you manage to get down. I feel the urge to vomit after just a few sips, it's maskable by these flavour bags sold in Walmart etc. but not completely, the emetic effect remains, I can't take enough for really getting effects so I hope for extraction..


Yeah I have to experiment with more strains, so far I guess that I have most Vanuatun because I thought this to be where the plant comes from.. but another strain, I forgot which one, was less pepper-ish but still emetic.
I swear that is your trouble,

I have bags of Vanuatan kavas here the idea of which turn my stomach.

Occasionally I make some. I often abandon it because it's so offputting, unpalatable and abundantly peppery to me.

I would never be able to get nearly enough down me if I only had those kavas. I'd give up.

I have a good yellow Solomon Islands one atm from Artofkava.

Less easy to pallate than their Fijian offers but nothing like Vanuatan.

Solomon kava is like bubblegum taste, aroma to my nose.

Quality Tongan can glide down barely stirring the taste buds, vs an assaulting Vanuatan again.

So I'm betting you have kavas which would see me give up quickly. It's true Vanuatu is seen as the origin. And it's accepted that Vanuatan kavas are generally the strongest. Really not for my taste buds though and I know I'm not alone on that.

Try for experiment's sake I would some high quality Fijian, Tongan or Hawaian.

Sink 50 grams of something different, see if it's more viable.

I am excessive but so are my needs. I can never meet them, always running for the bus. In a well state, ample sleep, less nerve damage, less kava suffices.
 
I find using about 2/3 pint per wash of hot water. By the time it's strained it should be cool enough to chug, then I start sipping a nice strong black coffee which takes away the taste fast. That's how I do it anyway and don't find it too bad.
How hot is hot water? I once tried to concentrate kava and boiled it, the result was a thick mass which I had to discard. Does hot water extract more of the lactones than cold? Or should one use milk / put in some fat, I read the lactones were fat soluble?

I am excessive but so are my needs. I can never meet them, always running for the bus. In a well state, ample sleep, less nerve damage, less kava suffices.
Same here, just with good old methoxetamine, which isn't around anymore but some analogues, I ordered them, waiting for picking them up, finally dissociatives again. Somehow I get from low dose MXE effects similar to what I expect and read about kava.. disinhibition, socialization, relaxed energy, can go walking for hours as well as lying in bed watching movies or floating to music.. Oh I love MXE.

Just prepared 50g, but managed to pour in a liter of water, some mango taste and some milk powder.. should have used less water. Oh, and filtered with a sieve, I don't tolerate these little pieces of root wood in a drink.. I didn't buy a specific kava strainer, found it too expensive but would you recommend to still buy one?

Downed 1/2 of the liter and already a bit nauseous. Cooking down doesn't work either, gives a thick mess which isn't usable..

Europe, you can't get kava into Germany. UK is a virtual smuggle even though it's legal trade. Still semi black listed. No chance of what was an inevitable tide of cannabis legalisation 3 years ago, within 5 years max then.
Oh Germany. How I love this country (irony).. no chance to get a driving license because some drunk stranger attacked me and I attacked back, on a public street thus a threat to the circulation etc.pp. and nearly into prison for methoxetamine "smuggling". Years ago, before 2015 or so you could import nearly anything into Switzerland but then they managed to pass a blanket ban not unlike the UK probably but I read that the UK allows you to just abandon the goods if they detect them while Switzerland and Germany make big investigation for the small fishes..

They should just finish the War on Drugs. It has officially been declared as a catastrophic failure but countries don't listen. Well when you see in Germany e.g. the responsive politician has no clue about drugs, one was family minister before.. ugh..
 
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How hot is hot water? I once tried to concentrate kava and boiled it, the result was a thick mass which I had to discard. Does hot water extract more of the lactones than cold? Or should one use milk / put in some fat, I read the lactones were fat soluble?


Same here, just with good old methoxetamine, which isn't around anymore but some analogues, I ordered them, waiting for picking them up, finally dissociatives again. Somehow I get from low dose MXE effects similar to what I expect and read about kava.. disinhibition, socialization, relaxed energy, can go walking for hours as well as lying in bed watching movies or floating to music.. Oh I love MXE.

Just prepared 50g, but managed to pour in a liter of water, some mango taste and some milk powder.. should have used less water. Oh, and filtered with a sieve, I don't tolerate these little pieces of root wood in a drink.. I didn't buy a specific kava strainer, found it too expensive but would you recommend to still buy one?

Downed 1/2 of the liter and already a bit nauseous. Cooking down doesn't work either, gives a thick mess which isn't usable..


Oh Germany. How I love this country (irony).. no chance to get a driving license because some drunk stranger attacked me and I attacked back, on a public street thus a threat to the circulation etc.pp. and nearly into prison for methoxetamine "smuggling". Years ago, before 2015 or so you could import nearly anything into Switzerland but then they managed to pass a blanket ban not unlike the UK probably but I read that the UK allows you to just abandon the goods if they detect them while Switzerland and Germany make big investigation for the small fishes..

They should just finish the War on Drugs. It has officially been declared as a catastrophic failure but countries don't listen. Well when you see in Germany e.g. the responsive politician has no clue about drugs, one was family minister before.. ugh..
Okay. I will be real straight with my best suggestions and insights.

Thanks for elaborating. I try not to presume but my intuition was spot on all round.

I can answer those questions to a degree.

Hot water, makes a different end product crucially. Like vaporizing cannabinoids at 166 Celsius vs 210, which releases the more sedative heavier actives more, and has a different signature to it.

The same applies with kava. Gram for gram, IMO you get more bang for buck using still about touchable hot water.

But the flavor is worse. It's more sedative, and more nauseating.

It's pros and cons. I'm flexible. I employ the heat like the right amount of cooking on the stove type balance approach.

Milk is famed practically for directly potentiating kava. People mix it together.

Any chaser, masker that assists is good.

But...YES. You really do need a proper strainer. It's wrong conduct to use kava improperly prepared.

75 microns at least. Or 100. Those root fibers strained out, or not, very nauseating, bitter too. The taste is probably all through the brew tbh but they are irritant to the intestines.

It makes a world of difference just this because it's paramount firstly.

I suggest different kavas. 75 or above micron strainer. Blender if available.

Milk can potentiate and maybe flavor.

I use sunflower lecithin religiously, every kava prep method. To assist the extraction.


And that's correct too about UK. After Brexit Border Force stepped in seizing every shit, including two orders to me from Holland.

The second, I recieved a letter of seizure notice, with open invitation to context rightful receipt in court, pay costs if I lose, or accept forfeiture.

Tough decision huh lol.

No "you must not...do not....if you....do you understand that...we are coming for you boy!"

Nothing. Because, they haven't the actual juristiction, so they keep their fat arses out.

Hence lots of people in this country stockpiled for years on masses of Lysergamides and all sorts I reckon, because they don't run through these particular things nearly as quick as I have and I never need consider a shop in that direction again.
 
No the alkaloids aren't water soluble, that's why they need to be agitated as much as possible with hot water and stirring/massaging.

Depending on how fine your material is you may need to put it in a food blender.

Never used milk but hot milk may be an excellent substitute for hot water.

Never used instant have but could this be put in gelcaps and washed down with a glass of warm milk?

@AutoTripper @plumbus-nine
 
Never used instant have but could this be put in gelcaps and washed down with a glass of warm milk?
Yeah I guess so. Will be about 8 big caps for one dosage but remove the taste.

The instant I had was long ago but if I remember correctly, much more bearable. Just the shops I have don't sell instant, so I want to make it myself. Anybody knows how they make instant - prepare and then dehydrate?
 
No the alkaloids aren't water soluble, that's why they need to be agitated as much as possible with hot water and stirring/massaging.

Depending on how fine your material is you may need to put it in a food blender.

Never used milk but hot milk may be an excellent substitute for hot water.

Never used instant have but could this be put in gelcaps and washed down with a glass of warm milk?

@AutoTripper @plumbus-nine
Instant kava, you just need to teleport.

Capsules A okay. But you'd probably want a machine. No real need for milk there except to potentiate.

I take 5-7 gram doses of instant kava typically. I'd estimate it about 2.2 x or more per gram than root.

So it's a few capsules. If only instant, 25-35 grams again lots of capsule filling.
Yeah I guess so. Will be about 8 big caps for one dosage but remove the taste.

The instant I had was long ago but if I remember correctly, much more bearable. Just the shops I have don't sell instant, so I want to make it myself. Anybody knows how they make instant - prepare and then dehydrate?
you can make your own. Some videos on YouTube. Kavafied I believe, a US store, inventors of the terribly designed Alubottle, needs the hands and strength of Goliath to open and close, and just hold to shake but they got rich and made it look all flashy so...


Their Kava is fairly rated. Kava Tonga I tried. Actually one of the easiest to drink.

They sell equipment I think on their store to make instant kava.
 
So when I strain my kava I used an old baby blanket that I cut up for rags. It is very dense but thin, cotton I think. If I let my brew settle for even an hour or more there is very little particulate at the bottom, even after kneading.
I'll invest in a proper kava strainer if you think it's way better but I don't really get any GI issues at all? Maybe it's that stain I'm using @AutoTripper
 
@AutoTripper Did you ever try a dissociative? Yesterday I got effects from the 40g kava, managed to drink it all - and will def buy a strainer, and/or make instant. Will look up the vids on YT, thanks!

But somehow kava's not what I'm looking for :( it's a sedative, which is good too but for special occasions, like other people use alcohol, I can't imagine being all day on Kava. Dissociatives (Methoxetamines, there are others which are more manic or opioids) are more energizing, focused drive and disinhibition while kava is more like an odd benzo. Guess it's CB1 which I don't like because benzos in good amount are paradoxically stimulating for me, right before they put me asleep dose-wise.

@axe battler Yeah was my thought too, to use cotton in place of a strainer. But need to get a proper cotton, guess an old shirt won't work so well because it's too densely woven.
 
@AutoTripper Did you ever try a dissociative? Yesterday I got effects from the 40g kava, managed to drink it all - and will def buy a strainer, and/or make instant. Will look up the vids on YT, thanks!

But somehow kava's not what I'm looking for :( it's a sedative, which is good too but for special occasions, like other people use alcohol, I can't imagine being all day on Kava. Dissociatives (Methoxetamines, there are others which are more manic or opioids) are more energizing, focused drive and disinhibition while kava is more like an odd benzo. Guess it's CB1 which I don't like because benzos in good amount are paradoxically stimulating for me, right before they put me asleep dose-wise.
My dissacociative history, I've never even verified if that is the correct term of dissociative which I'm sure probably is, Robotusin cough mixture decades ago containing DXM. Maybe 8 times.

And heavy Ketamine use. Decades ago.

Allergies ensured there are many drugs I never tried, never will.

Handy in a way. 🙂

But kava has dissociative aspects to me. Like Ketamine.

It is generally sedative in nature but th cultivar again weighs in here.

Like two different weed strains. Or heavy indicas vs sativa leaning.

Heady kavas are way more sustainable.

I too wish kava did not make me sleepy, on top of lots of cannabis, lots of benzos, serious sleep deprival, but a need for the mind due to nerve damage anxiety, it's the only way I've not gone spare through pain and all.

But I'd love it to have a stimulant or energizing effect.

Some cultivars will make you lot more sleepy. The Waka roots are more sedative too generally.

Some kavas are 100% Waka, but often 30% basal as it grows naturally.

I relate to your problem. My choices are so limited though. I take every resourceful step to buy time, stay sane and stay alive so I'm kind of walked into it as a must because nerve damage panic state, in my running condition, with the amount of LSD active in my consciousness forever now, is risky.

Kava has been rescuing me from this.
 
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