Heroin Smoking heroin doesn't work?

[dalpat077]

Heroin base aka #3 is not water soluble, that's why an acid has to be added to turn it into a water soluble salt form for injection (acid + base = salt + water)

However, #3 can be snorted without acidifying first, its just not particularly efficient this way. But again, with no tolerance it 'should' work.

Obviously, this all assumes there is any heroin in this stuff - which from what I've heard so far seems highly doubtful...

While I was taking the piss out of you in my previous post: thank fuck for this one!

Seems to me there's a few myths being reinforced around these parts on this topic. I was replying much earlier to this same OP on his other thread on this very topic (but then got summoned to so something else so never got to complete my post).

The above quote 100% factual and correct. And for the record (and assuming the generally accepted, albeit questioned, numbering system): it takes just a tad more than some citric acid or lemon juice to get from #3 to #4. Just a tad more! How I know is irrelevant. But listen to the man!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Actually one last q if you don't mind if I want to plug this, should I follow the normal process for IV?

Meaning should I boil with acid and then draw it in the syringe through microfilter?

You could, but be warned that if you have even the slightest excess of acid left in solution, your ring is gonna sting like a mofo.

Believe me on this one, its not pleasant...

 

[menidiatis]

You could, but be warned that if you have even the slightest excess of acid left in solution, your ring is gonna sting like a mofo.

Believe me on this one, its not pleasant...

Thanks, could you let me know how I make sure I get rid of excess acid? Or I should be careful to put minimum dosage to begin with?

 

[dalpat077]

I understood literally nothing of what you said but whatever, I guess you had your laugh so good for you

It wasn't that difficult. Maybe whatever you have there is working after all!

And no: I don't find it funny at all so I wasn't trying to make a mockery of you.

Fact of the matter is (on a serious note): if there was anything in there, particularly after going through 5g of the stuff, you'd feel it. No matter how bad your technique. That's all I was getting at and nothing more (just added a bit of humor in my original post is all). So chill.

As abominable a human being as I may be: I don't like to see people getting ripped off and nor do I like seeing people being sold shit that may be cut to shreds.

Anyway. Carry on as you were. If I were you and purely for the sake of interest: I'd get it tested.

Only thing I don't understand: why would those dealers be selling you anything different from that which they're selling to others. I'd find it a stretch to believe that they're just taking the piss because you're a novice. So there's that.

 

[dalpat077]

Thanks, could you let me know how I make sure I get rid of excess acid? Or I should be careful to put minimum dosage to begin with?

And seeing as we're being all serious here now (and let's not forget that this is a harm reduction site! ):

Dude. Your choice. But you're insistent upon using something (regardless of ROA) that not even the experts here can fathom. Doesn't sound like the wisest of moves to me. Then again: what's the worst that could happen (ask yourself that question).

And with that: my work is done here! Have fun!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Thanks, could you let me know how I make sure I get rid of excess acid? Or I should be careful to put minimum dosage to begin with?

With heavily cut gear, it's extremely difficult to perform the perfect reaction. With pure gear, it would just be a case of adding a little of the acid at a time until their is no particulate matter left.

However, the presence of God knows what soluble and insoluble cutting agents makes this hard to judge. Any heroin base in there will dissolve readily with a tiny amount of acid, so if youre using citric acid (available from pharmacies, health food shops and home brewing suppliers) just drop a few of the crystals into a mixture of your gear and water. There should be a visible difference almost immediately with the mixture clearing somewhat. However, the insoluble cuts will still remain in suspension and should be filtered out. Don't be tempted to keep adding more acid to dissolve everything visible (common mistake to make and is why #3 injectors rapidly lose their veins).

Tbh though, I think you're flogging a dead horse here. If you can smoke 5g without feeling it, you're going to need a fuckin enema with the stuff...

 

[menidiatis]

With heavily cut gear, it's extremely difficult to perform the perfect reaction. With pure gear, it would just be a case of adding a little of the acid at a time until their is no particulate matter left.

However, the presence of God knows what soluble and insoluble cutting agents makes this hard to judge. Any heroin base in there will dissolve readily with a tiny amount of acid, so if youre using citric acid (available from pharmacies, health food shops and home brewing suppliers) just drop a few of the crystals into a mixture of your gear and water. There should be a visible difference almost immediately with the mixture clearing somewhat. However, the insoluble cuts will still remain in suspension and should be filtered out. Don't be tempted to keep adding more acid to dissolve everything visible (common mistake to make and is why #3 injectors rapidly lose their veins).

Tbh though, I think you're flogging a dead horse here. If you can smoke 5g without feeling it, you're going to need a fuckin enema with the stuff...

Thank you so much for all the detailed replies you have given, I appreciate your effort a lot

I guess I ll wait till I am back in NL and can get some quality gear

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

While I was taking the piss out of you in my previous post: thank fuck for this one!

Seems to me there's a few myths being reinforced around these parts on this topic. I was replying much earlier to this same OP on his other thread on this very topic (but then got summoned to so something else so never got to complete my post).

The above quote 100% factual and correct. And for the record (and assuming the generally accepted, albeit questioned, numbering system): it takes just a tad more than some citric acid or lemon juice to get from #3 to #4. Just a tad more! How I know is irrelevant. But listen to the man!

No, you can't turn #3 into #4 just by adding any old acid. In fact, unless you have a pharmaceutical supply of diamorphine hydrochloride you ain't getting heroin (which is just a brandname anyway). At best you'll get a random mixture of morphine analogues in salt form. Same with #3 - a random mixture of morphine analogues in basic form. Adding citric acid to #3 produces a citrate salt and ascorbic acid produces an ascorbate salt. So yeh, much of the popularly used terminology is incorrect and leads to much confusion and misinformation.

That's street drugs for ya... :D

 

[Jabberwocky]

This is 1 g I smoked there

Regarding people who say it is fentanyl, no such thing has ever been heard on the news here in greece, doesn't mean there s no fentanyl, but I d doubt it tbh

If it was fentanyl, 5 grams and you would be dead many times over

 

[Las Veghost grower]

@F.U.B.A.R. So heroin #3 is base and #4 is a salt ? And black tar is also #3 ? Cause I know if you leave tar out long enough with no humidity In the air it will ultimately turn a brown powder, sorry I’m just kinda confused I always just call it h and smoked it

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

@F.U.B.A.R. So heroin #3 is base and #4 is a salt ? And black tar is also #3 ? Cause I know if you leave tar out long enough with no humidity In the air it will ultimately turn a brown powder, sorry I’m just kinda confused I always just call it h and smoked it

Yes, #3 is basic and insoluble in water, #4 is a salt and highly soluble in water. I honestly have no idea what black tar is. Probably #3.5? :D

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Yes, #3 is basic and insoluble in water, #4 is a salt and highly soluble in water. I honestly have no idea what black tar is. Probably #3.5? :D

Haha I hear you, I never had enough time to even care, I just know people call it heroin and it will fuck you up, at the time nothing els really mattered

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Oh got, that cuts deep, just like

 

[LivingOnValium]

Ahh huge red flag, heroin base is extremely water soluble ime

Then you haven't had heroin freebase (which is #3, a brown powder). People use citric acid to convert it into heroin citrate, which is soluble and therefore injectable. I assume you're from the U.S. since you're not familiar with #3. Black tar heroin is not freebase and therefore not #3. In Europe all the heroin is virtually #3.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Then you haven't had heroin freebase (which is #3, a brown powder). People use citric acid to convert it into heroin citrate, which is soluble and therefore injectable. I assume you're from the U.S. since you're not familiar with #3. Black tar heroin is not freebase and therefore not #3. In Europe all the heroin is virtually #3.

This shots to in depth for me, I just call it heroin and faild a test for diamorphine, I guess I just assumed cause everyone smokes it it is base, but I was mistaken

 

[Ganjcat]

This is how it looks after I heat it, am I doing something wrong??

That's a massive fucking Beatle I wouldn't use more than half of that

 

[menidiatis]

FINAL UPDATE

After another attempt at smoking and not getting high, I made the remaining half gram into one line and snorted it all

I started feeling immediately weird, but I could not tell whether it was the drug kicking in or I just got paranoia that I might OD, but regardless I blew it all out of my nose.

Since then I have been nodding and have a headache, but not for a moment did I feel any euphoria. I do however feel like my anhedonia was temporarily lifted, but this happened with smoking as well.

So 2 theories at this point:

1.it is some opiate analogue that does not have euphoria

2.heroin is the most overhyped drug ever. Although the fact that it lifts my anhedonia is amazing, I was expecting heroin to feel like a being hugged and cuddled by the love of my life (for me the most powerful euphoric feeling ever, no drug I ve tried compare to this). If this is the case, then it is beyond ridiculous to me that someone could get hooked on this drug. (in the sense that all it does is lift depression)

Idk tbh ngl

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

FINAL UPDATE

After another attempt at smoking and not getting high, I made the remaining half gram into one line and snorted it all

I started feeling immediately weird, but I could not tell whether it was the drug kicking in or I just got paranoia that I might OD, but regardless I blew it all out of my nose.

Since then I have been nodding and have a headache, but not for a moment did I feel any euphoria. I do however feel like my anhedonia was temporarily lifted, but this happened with smoking as well.

So 2 theories at this point:

1.it is some opiate analogue that does not have euphoria

2.heroin is the most overhyped drug ever. Although the fact that it lifts my anhedonia is amazing, I was expecting heroin to feel like a being hugged and cuddled by the love of my life (for me the most powerful euphoric feeling ever, no drug I ve tried compare to this). If this is the case, then it is beyond ridiculous to me that someone could get hooked on this drug. (in the sense that all it does is lift depression)

Idk tbh ngl

Proper 'heroin' is 100 x better than being cuddled by the love of your life. This is why it ruins your sex life and destroys relationships...

 

[menidiatis]

Proper 'heroin' is 100 x better than being cuddled by the love of your life. This is why it ruins your sex life and destroys relationships...

This actually sounds scary af

I did not consider that

What softer opiate could I use then instead?