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Please help pregnant on heroin

and that was a serious reply, she says she hasn't slept in 2 days and weed helps you sleep and manage your withdrawal which is usually a symptom of quiting cold turkey if im not wrong. just trying to give all alternatives here
 
Lux Exterior said:
and that was a serious reply, she says she hasn't slept in 2 days and weed helps you sleep and manage your withdrawal which is usually a symptom of quiting cold turkey if im not wrong. just trying to give all alternatives here
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Very well. I mean, it's probably better not to smoke weed in pregnancy at all. But at least based on studies I've seen, it doesn't seem like it's a huge risk of harming the baby either.

I'm not trying to jump down anyone's throat here, it's just after yesterday I'm probably a little jumpy. :)
 
gotcha, it's kl. there's also that thc oil extract you can put in your food if you don't mind your baby having the munchies all the time
 
Weed doesn't help anyone much during opioid severe withdrawal.

I still think the logical answer here is methadone given the fentanyl involved. Relatively severe withdrawal needs to be in place prior to beginning buprenorphine which is a risk here. Add to that, buprenorphine withdrawal isn't much easier than methadone withdrawal (yet not nearly as effective at holding the patient). With methadone, the patient doesn't need to be in active withdrawal. Buprenorphine could work though i suppose.
 
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negrogesic said:
Weed doesn't help anyone much during opioid severe withdrawal.

I still think the logical answer here is withdrawal given the fentanyl involve. Relatively severe withdrawal needs to be in place prior to beginning methadone which is a risk here. Add to that, buprenorphine withdrawal isn't that much easier to controlled methadone withdrawal (yet not nearly as effective at holding the opioid). With methadone, the patient doesn't need to be in active withdrawal. Buprenorphine could work though i suppose.
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When she decides to withdraw from buprenorphine or methadone she'll have had the baby and the primary danger will have passed.

Yes bupe does require being in withdrawal, but it doesn't take long to get to that point on a heroin habit. And it's probably lot safer than a full withdrawal while pregnant.

This is not a hypothetical, this has actually be studied. There are good reasons the majority of medical practice encourages maintenance for pregnant women. The risks are less than the alternatives of continued use or withdrawal.

Even if withdrawal doesn't risk a miscarriage and there's decent evidence it does. It also carries a risk that the mother will relapse and that that will put her and her child at risk.

Maintenance has been found to be the safest option. It doesn't carry a risk of miscarriage above the general population, it has the highest rate of success at keeping people stable, which is important for the pregnancy. It reduces the drive to do dangerous stuff to get drugs. And when the baby is delivered it can be weened off and evidence strongly indicates it'll be no worse for the experience than any other child.

With a good doctor I think it's very likely that that's what will be recommended.

The goal right now isn't to get her sober. It's to protect her and her babies health for the duration of the pregnancy. After that her and her doctors can decide if she wants to stay on maintenance or try and get completely clean. If she wants to get clean her and her baby can probably ween off it together.
 
yeah I heard something about stuff like poppy seed tea that are much milder and safer and still give you a buzz
 
JessFR said:
When she decides to withdraw from buprenorphine or methadone she'll have had the baby and the primary danger will have passed.

Yes bupe does require being in withdrawal, but it doesn't take long to get to that point on a heroin habit. And it's probably lot safer than a full withdrawal while pregnant.

This is not a hypothetical, this has actually be studied. There are good reasons the majority of medical practice encourages maintenance for pregnant women. The risks are less than the alternatives of continued use or withdrawal.

Even if withdrawal doesn't risk a miscarriage and there's decent evidence it does. It also carries a risk that the mother will relapse and that that will put her and her child at risk.

Maintenance has been found to be the safest option. It doesn't carry a risk of miscarriage above the general population, it has the highest rate of success at keeping people stable, which is important for the pregnancy. It reduces the drive to do dangerous stuff to get drugs. And when the baby is delivered it can be weened off and evidence strongly indicates it'll be no worse for the experience than any other child.

With a good doctor I think it's very likely that that's what will be recommended.
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I'm glad you were able to understand what I wrote before i corrected just now, it was pretty unintelligible 😳
 
negrogesic said:
I'm glad you were able to understand what I wrote before i corrected just now, it was pretty unintelligible 😳
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Haha yeah I was a little confused at first. My initial reaction was to correct your comment about needing to be in withdrawal for methadone. But then I read the rest of the post and became satisfied you meant bupe to begin with and just went with replying to what I figured you meant. :)
 
Lux Exterior said:
yeah I heard something about stuff like poppy seed tea that are much milder and safer and still give you a buzz
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She is going to be drug tested and could be reported for using narcotics if she has something in her system (which would include poppy seed tea). Ontop of that poppy seed tea is heavier duty than it sounds and features a severe withdrawal syndrome.
 
negrogesic said:
She is going to be drug tested and could be reported for using narcotics if she has something in her system (which would include poppy seed tea). Ontop of that poppy seed tea is heavier duty than it sounds and features a severe withdrawal syndrome.
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Poppy seed tea all things consider, in my experience anyway, is generally a lot less strong than most street heroin. BUT it is well known to punch above its weight for withdrawal.

On top of that it's highly inconsistent. Some seeds can be extreme potent while others do barely anything. You're right it can surprise you.
 
It seems a little strange to my that you point to several drugs as being not safe. Which indeed, they do carry risks in pregnancy. But the risks have to be kept in some context. Even a small drink of alcohol is extremely unlikely to do lasting harm to the baby. And alcohol is a very bad drug to consume when pregnant with lots of evidence of its harms.

But then you suggest a fast taper, which also carries risks.

I'm not trying to dismiss your suggestion. Just saying that all the options carry some risk. The risks have to be weighted with the alternatives. It'll have to be to the OP and her doctors to decide what risks they'll proceed with.

On an unrelated note I would like to give this thread and @Sofuckedrn a very warm welcome to the health and recovery part of the site! <3
 
JessFR said:
Even a small drink of alcohol is extremely unlikely to do lasting harm to the baby.
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Oh, man. My moms drank daily and a lot at that. Smoked a pack of cigs a day and no telling whatall else as she was "perfect": Hell and damnation on anyone who disagree.
Anyway... not saying it didn't do any harm but would love to get a glimpse into a string of myself without the prenatal substance abuse.
Interesting thought, IMO.
 
6am-64-14m said:
Oh, man. My moms drank daily and a lot at that. Smoked a pack of cigs a day and no telling whatall else as she was "perfect": Hell and damnation on anyone who disagree.
Anyway... not saying it didn't do any harm but would love to get a glimpse into a string of myself without the prenatal substance abuse.
Interesting thought, IMO.
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Yeah, obviously it's best not to do that. Smoking and drinking while pregnant are not good things at all.

With that said though, humans are humans. They don't always behave rationally. While the best amount of those substances to consume is none, if you're going to consume them, it's still well worth trying to keep the consumption as low as possible.

Taking having 1 drink maybe once of twice while pregnant is unlikely to have a measurable affect on the baby. But as you take more the risks increase.

My point here essentially is that people aren't perfect. Ultimately rather than judge people or making them feel like shit for any amount of use, provided they aren't dependant its better to support them to use as little as possible.

If they are dependant that's a very different matter. You wanna get the involvement of medical professionals then.

Not suggesting you're saying anything like this. I'm just speaking in general that people should be more understanding.

It's not days to have a drug habit and it's not easy to be pregnant.
 
My girlfriend had three children while using Subutex regularly.none of them had NATS because she continued taking her Subutex while she breast fed all 3 of them.shes currently pregnant with my 4th child and is still using Subutex and will breast feed this baby as well...Subutex can be a life saver.look into it.
 
jose ribas da silva said:
I would set up a very slow taper by cutting down the quantity day after day to avoid strong symptoms. Will power.
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It's generally best to avoid any withdrawal, but yes, you're not wrong, if maintenance isn't something that's an option, a taper is still a lot better than a sudden cold turkey drop.
 
The original poster hasn't replied in a while. I hope things are working out ok.

If you come back and read this, I'm still rooting for you! <3
 
Ok, if you want real advice from a Doctor, which I am, you need to stop now for the health and safety of your baby. I've read nothing but excuses for not quitting, many of which have been justified within this forum. You have no excuse for not quitting other than the temporary discomfort you will experience.

No, quitting cold turkey will not harm your baby, cause early labor or result in any other complication (the odds are statistically insignificant).

The fact is that you are either willing to be in pain for a week with a few more weeks of discomfort for the benefit of your unborn baby or you are willing to put yourself first and seriously harm your baby as a result.
It is that simple
 
JessFR said:
When she decides to withdraw from buprenorphine or methadone she'll have had the baby and the primary danger will have passed.

Yes bupe does require being in withdrawal, but it doesn't take long to get to that point on a heroin habit. And it's probably lot safer than a full withdrawal while pregnant.

This is not a hypothetical, this has actually be studied. There are good reasons the majority of medical practice encourages maintenance for pregnant women. The risks are less than the alternatives of continued use or withdrawal.

Even if withdrawal doesn't risk a miscarriage and there's decent evidence it does. It also carries a risk that the mother will relapse and that that will put her and her child at risk.

Maintenance has been found to be the safest option. It doesn't carry a risk of miscarriage above the general population, it has the highest rate of success at keeping people stable, which is important for the pregnancy. It reduces the drive to do dangerous stuff to get drugs. And when the baby is delivered it can be weened off and evidence strongly indicates it'll be no worse for the experience than any other child.

With a good doctor I think it's very likely that that's what will be recommended.

The goal right now isn't to get her sober. It's to protect her and her babies health for the duration of the pregnancy. After that her and her doctors can decide if she wants to stay on maintenance or try and get completely clean. If she wants to get clean her and her baby can probably ween off it together.
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I'm not familiar with anyone in the medical community who encourage maintenance for pregnant women. Maintenance of any kind is extremely dangerous for developing fetuses. The only acceptable treatment recognized by the medical community is complete abstinence combined with therapy
 
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