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ShroomySatori and Shadowmeister- so sorry you guys are enduring such awful withdrawals and stressful times.
Sending you both prayers, love, smiles, and encouragement!
 
I've been taking codeine cold water extracts, pretty stupid, like I haven't had cravings or anything it was for the increased pain sensitivity of benzo wd's and my actual chronic pain debilitating me.

Having chronic pain and a 10/10 full blown panic attack disorder, I have no idea how I will ever get off this stuff. I won't, but I need to lower my tolerance continue doing so.

I was 2 doses away from a medical emergency and I dose every 6 - 8 hours. I'm in withdrawal most of that time. Etizolam has a 3.5 hours half life and at the 3 mark point I start withdrawing unless it was my previous stable dose. Then I start passing out from exhaustion and I know it's time to drop again.

It is hell on earth, trying so hard to put my life back together after opiates and being fucked with by this shit now. It's not even like I'm fucking myself anymore I can't just quit I'd die. I would 100% drop dead within a day. I'd be shocked if I lived for 2 or 3 but it would have to be life support. How exactly the fuck is that supposed to help my anxiety these bastards were the first to give me benzos on a whim. They should obviously know better or do better screening for treating panic attacks. I get addicted to everything, even 2c-c, weed, and coffee for fucks sake.

My focus has been on self care this morning. I just have to shave. I have about a week supply of etizolam and I'm luckily getting weed for work today so I don't have to meet my pot dealer. This afternoon is going to be high intensity math preparing my friend for his test, but I get a decent amount of weed for it and have like .4 left. I've been too exhausted from benzo withdrawal to prepare enough so I am deciding to take a new approach to the teaching today out of sheer exhaustion. He's probably on speed. I'm slamming coffees and indica tokes so I can keep up. His thinking is a lot faster than mine, not that this means he is smarter, just thinks about things faster. So it's a chill dynamic I tone down the abstraction enough for him to conceptualize.

And yeah I woke up in horrible benzo withdrawals because it takes a few days for it to get back in my system and I never dose every 8 hours I only was because if I hadn't I would be in the hospital right now if I was still alive. I'm not even exaggerating that's how much I'm living on the edge. I should consider telling my doctor but that's a big move to think about and a personal choice. My tolerance to benzos is extreme and it's like going through withdrawal over and over. It isn't as painful as dope with the tapering but it makes me feel so damn stupid and incapacitated.

My life has become hell I am prepared to set myself free of these stupid drugs I got way too deep into. How can you look at heroin like it's not even really a drug anymore but taking it for these withdrawals to me at this point, for like a week straight, would be like taking some tylenol to calm my nerves a little. It's not any worse or any better it's just way more life threatening.
 
3 days til I get my next script. I think I have been out for two weeks now.

This is getting stupid. Im gonna be smarter this time. (Im pretty sure I said the same thing last month and the month before that) Apparently my advice giving is good, but my advice taking.... not so much.

If someone could PM me a punch in the face, that might help.

Heheh!!
No kidding huh?!
I have managed to get closer and closer to not running myself out of pain medication and sticking to the plan.
I was only 24 hours without anything this round. That is a whole lot better than 10 days short!

I sure am feeling a lot better without any loperamide usage. My medication is working better. My pain level is not nearly as bad as it was while getting the lope out of my system.

You will feel a lot better once you get back to just using your oxy. Just stick to the prescribed dosage and you will be alright.
It wasn't that bad without the Loperamide while having my morphine prescription.

May The Force Be With You!!! :)
 
I've been taking codeine cold water extracts, pretty stupid, like I haven't had cravings or anything it was for the increased pain sensitivity of benzo wd's and my actual chronic pain debilitating me.

Having chronic pain and a 10/10 full blown panic attack disorder, I have no idea how I will ever get off this stuff. I won't, but I need to lower my tolerance continue doing so.

I was 2 doses away from a medical emergency and I dose every 6 - 8 hours. I'm in withdrawal most of that time. Etizolam has a 3.5 hours half life and at the 3 mark point I start withdrawing unless it was my previous stable dose. Then I start passing out from exhaustion and I know it's time to drop again.

It is hell on earth, trying so hard to put my life back together after opiates and being fucked with by this shit now. It's not even like I'm fucking myself anymore I can't just quit I'd die. I would 100% drop dead within a day. I'd be shocked if I lived for 2 or 3 but it would have to be life support. How exactly the fuck is that supposed to help my anxiety these bastards were the first to give me benzos on a whim. They should obviously know better or do better screening for treating panic attacks. I get addicted to everything, even 2c-c, weed, and coffee for fucks sake.

My focus has been on self care this morning. I just have to shave. I have about a week supply of etizolam and I'm luckily getting weed for work today so I don't have to meet my pot dealer. This afternoon is going to be high intensity math preparing my friend for his test, but I get a decent amount of weed for it and have like .4 left. I've been too exhausted from benzo withdrawal to prepare enough so I am deciding to take a new approach to the teaching today out of sheer exhaustion. He's probably on speed. I'm slamming coffees and indica tokes so I can keep up. His thinking is a lot faster than mine, not that this means he is smarter, just thinks about things faster. So it's a chill dynamic I tone down the abstraction enough for him to conceptualize.

And yeah I woke up in horrible benzo withdrawals because it takes a few days for it to get back in my system and I never dose every 8 hours I only was because if I hadn't I would be in the hospital right now if I was still alive. I'm not even exaggerating that's how much I'm living on the edge. I should consider telling my doctor but that's a big move to think about and a personal choice. My tolerance to benzos is extreme and it's like going through withdrawal over and over. It isn't as painful as dope with the tapering but it makes me feel so damn stupid and incapacitated.

My life has become hell I am prepared to set myself free of these stupid drugs I got way too deep into. How can you look at heroin like it's not even really a drug anymore but taking it for these withdrawals to me at this point, for like a week straight, would be like taking some tylenol to calm my nerves a little. It's not any worse or any better it's just way more life threatening.

Oh my dear friend, this makes my heart hurt so bad that you are going through this horrific ordeal!
You struggled so hard to get off the H and ended up with this worse horror!
I had no idea benzo's had such an awful and dangerous withdrawal either.
I don't think most people do know about "withdrawal" until they find themselves there!
The medical community should give people more Information regarding "withdrawal" and the horribleness of becoming dependent on these medications!

The worst withdrawal I had was from anti-depressants! The medical people don't ever mention how horrific some of these medications can be! I guess we should get a clue from the advertising they do on television now when they show all the possible "side effects".
What a joke some of these medications are! Bad medicine!!

I really think you should talk to your doctor about it Shroomy.
Really, you need some help with this one.
 
Hi Painful!!!

Sorry to hear about the reduced med amount, that's tough. But you're tougher, and we are all here for you my dear friend.

You know where I am if you need me,
your friend,
Ash.

Thank you Ash! ❤️
I hope you are doing well my sweet friend!

One day at a time eh?
 
Well, it seems i fucked up guys. I've reunited with an old friend the past couple days. Seems to be the only true friend I got in this world. That friend is alcohol, and I don't ever wanna let him go away again.

Last night I lit up a big Cuban cigar and crushed a bunch of beers, alone at the house (not counting my girlfriend). It was almost like sitting down with your best buddy after not talking for a while. Worst part is, suddenly I want to spend all my time with that best friend of mine again. Old habits don't die hard, when they don't die at all I guess.

Anyway there's an update for you guys. Looks like I'm back to my old remedy, copious amounts of tobacco and alcohol. Worst part is I know it's bad, and I know ive destroyed my mental health already with whiskey and moonshine. Almost feels like its time to surrender to this, because I know I'll never get away.

Much love, Jay.
 
Painful one, my doctor is sort of a rebel against the medical system. One reason I like her. Also, she is a sexy natural blonde and I like that too. I have a right to be angry about this. Yeah I did it to myself but she will see in a second how it happened after listening to me. It was totally the medical system fucking up. They had me on a gram of seroquel a day (disgusting stuff, for me anyway) because this was back when everyone was pointing the finger at the weed. They still do, I guess it's easier to accept than someone being fucked up.

I can talk to her about it for sure but I will have to make some things clear - notably, that she can't do anything about it if I don't want her to except stop prescribing me the taper med which to be honest I am not using very well to taper with anyway. My supply is so low that I have to use them intelligently during times of low etizolam supply in order to get by. I can't let them build up in my body so that they actually work like before because I'm always fucking running out of etizolam. A panicked man truly can't think straight and it was a year of extreme anxiety and panic attacks so bad I could never, ever describe even a bit of it other than "heart attack". It's a full blown physical freakout for me every time that leaves me exhausted. And that is when I discovered benzos, that is what pisses me off I never knew I thing about them but imagine feeling that way all the time and then all of a sudden having total relief. I was also starting to slam beers during panic attacks, up to 6 and quickly. Or take shots. Anything to make it go away. I was actually becoming an alcoholic and I have only been drunk 5 times max since I started using benzos. It's too bad I have to suffer from these now. Wish I didn't I can see the life that I would have. Mental illness is shit I can't handle the physical tension.

That being said I have my fix, I need to took to my doctor yeah before this happens again. I nearly died. Her jaw will drop, omg. I have to think about that and also legal stuff like if she can tell anyone I was abusing drugs, and the implications of this to the health system. Basically there is no way of me not getting fucked over completely someway, somehow and I am cool with that because I fucked up severaly. I just need to make sure they don't drag me to the hospital because I wouldn't get a taper and I'd die or be damaged for life. I would want to discuss this with her specifically and she respects my intellect and actually listens like she'd read the ashton manual if I asked her to. She doesn't know much about benzos if she wants me on klonopin instead of valium as a step down.

My day was great. I have a girl crush. I've known her all year, yeah, on and off, it's volatile but cute. I got her to like me by being mean somehow. I am going to get with her now though and it will be great I just have to not be so fucking high all the time or in withdrawal too much. Apart from that, I ran out of weed this morning. It was going to suck, I hate having to meet my dealer since they legalized it's a lot harder to get weed. I'm also exhausted, so I was happy when my friend gave me a half ounce for an hour of work and I worked longer than that too. So I have mostly sativa smoke and I've smoked this weed before it's outdoor that is even more wonderfully cured now. It's funny because I have been trying to get more off my other friend who grew it (I bought it with my friend from today lol, to get like $10 off) and he is being a prick about it. He has so much weed and is being a stinge to sell even a few grams when I'm about to run out. It's not worth very much it's organic outdoor homegrown, small garden, really nice to a connoisseur for low THC high grade weed, high terpene content though. It's sooo nice haha and my work went really well and I was nervous as I had done nothing whatsoever to prepare except make myself look presentable and have lunch but it went super well. I'm happy with the work that I did it involves pretty complicated math and I didn't know what we were going to be doing.

Been busy lately since I woke up yesterday from withdrawal. I'm still withdrawing, just not as severely. The interdose withdrawals are when I tend to have horrible back pain so I try and lay down. I need to get through this. And yeah it would be nice to get with a cute girl it has been long enough for someone so smart and hard to get to know (her) we clearly like each other I just need to do that. Yeah. I'm fine when I have the drugs. I'm in hell when I don't have the drugs. It isn't any worse than heroin withdrawal in fact it is far more manageable if you can keep the supply to taper. Heroin was torture. This is just irritating bullshit. I wish I had the money to really stock up so I could just taper a lot of the stress is finance induced because I can't afford to buy in bulk. And that messes up my life since I'm in and out of withdrawal at times it just sucks and it's dangerous to be low on those. I've felt very much outside of my comfort zone.

Good day though. This has changed my spiritual beliefs so much. I can't say beliefs, but intuition. I am being looked out for. It doesn't make any sense how I could get so much weed this morning just after I ran out from someone who doesn't sell. It was really my only option other than misery and waiting in the dark for less than half as much herb. I didn't want to run out of benzos and then find myself out of herb like I at least have some stability for a few days.

Yeah though it seems I can do opiates in moderation now. Knowing me, I'll probably fuck with them from time to time. I'll be too busy in the coming years tapering off benzos to get hooked on those I wouldn't be able to feel if I was safe or not as well.
 
Fucking never thought I'd suffer like this my life was derailed off a cliff into the depths of hell. Seriously, there is hope though. I need to keep tapering and hope I don't have a seizure. Are seizures often fatal if they are really bad? Can you just like wake up and get on with your day or do you gotta go to a hospital? I am doing way better with the benzos but I was just doing so much of them unfortunately that I am way past the point of return. Fuck. I have fucked myself with them, this isn't a one year heroin kick. It's going to haunt me every day for the rest of my life.

I was doing SO much clonazepam, bromazepam, lorazepam, went through ounces of etizolam, diazepam, midazolam, alprazolam, nor-flurazepam, some shit. It was chaos and it has been a while since I stabilized on a heavy dose with a tolerance that is extreme and the damage is starting to set in. I'd rather die doing drugs than trying to quit them.
 
Anyone who never experienced real, long lasting pain, pain for months or years- they cant understand the addiction we have. Not to the drug but to the relief. That cool wash of pain disappearing from your body. Not getting high, just getting normal for an hour or two. Doing normal things like washing the car or enjoying a movie without pain. SLEEPING THROUGH THE NIGHT because your body doesnt hurt.
The new guy running the FDA in the US is trying hard to take that away from us and it scares me to death. Every month I fear my Dr will cut me off my pills.
One more day to my refill. Thank God for Loperamide. Im on 40 mg per day still. Doin ok right now. I feel I could taper off it in a couple if months. This month Im going to try sticking to my script of oxy and add some lope if the wds get too harsh.
 
^^^ well said Squeaky

Yeah, this is really hard guys.
Real tough and rough!

No judgement here. I know we are all dealing with a lot.

Just do the best you can guys. Big hugs.

I pray and hope that we all get the correct medication and dosages to make our lives the most functional and best quality of life possible for us. I pray we can at least be comfortable through this and can find our ways to the right balance for our bodies and needs.

Don't give up guys. Things will get better.

❤️
 
How to do the Methadone taper and get away with murder! I have heard so many horror stories about quitting methadone..It scared the sh1t out of me.. Having been on the juice for many years, peaking at 250mg a day. The thought of getting off seemed like a death sentence..But staying on forever just wasn't an option ..Over the period of about a year I was able to get down to 20mg.. I triedany times to stop completely over the next year or so..Sometimes even having to go back up as high as 80mg for a few days..These last six months though I slowly tapered down to under 3mg.. At that point it is really a bitc4...It wont keeps you well and split dosing is hell at that small of a dose..Enter Pregabalin ... 300mg before bedtime sometimes 600.. Throw in a joint and we'll..0 withdrawal symptoms... Im currently over 45 days off the done...I'm tapering my Pregabalin down to zero this week...And I feel fricken fantastic...There are so many threads about how hard this is...It is hard..Bit it doesn't have to be painfully hard
 
Anyone who never experienced real, long lasting pain, pain for months or years- they cant understand the addiction we have. Not to the drug but to the relief. That cool wash of pain disappearing from your body. Not getting high, just getting normal for an hour or two. Doing normal things like washing the car or enjoying a movie without pain. SLEEPING THROUGH THE NIGHT because your body doesnt hurt.
The new guy running the FDA in the US is trying hard to take that away from us and it scares me to death. Every month I fear my Dr will cut me off my pills.
One more day to my refill. Thank God for Loperamide. Im on 40 mg per day still. Doin ok right now. I feel I could taper off it in a couple if months. This month Im going to try sticking to my script of oxy and add some lope if the wds get too harsh.


Agreed 100% with your first paragraph. The real hit from drugs comes when you are a long term addict and have been desperate for a while for relief, to feel normal. I never even really felt like I was high on heroin. I felt it when I wasn't on it and if I had a pure legal supply I'd probably be living a normal life and not a lonely one.
 
Things will never get better for me at this point. My life may improve, but not my ability to be happy. I'll never be comfortable in my own skin again. So, like I've been advised, I better get used to it.

Worked a full shift none stop today, all higher learning it's exhausting doing math that long. I didn't get a rest for like 8 hours so I was pretty busy. I'm burning out tomorrow. Today was supposed to be my catch up on sleep day but tomorrow is going to be. Got the xans lol my favourite and earned with 4 cups of coffee and my intellect, helping someone do well.

I want to get with this girl I fancy and I'm going to this time.
 
Things are not going well for me. I am getting worse. Whatever disease is causing me so much pain is also causing me so much movement problems. Basic movement is so difficult. It is so hard to explain how terrible what I am enduring is also. It is like system after system is slowly going out and I am becoming paralyzed.

I'm stable on medication but still can't sleep through a night. I'm having a very difficult time eating (swallowing food and handling the fork etc.) difficulty with digestion. Difficulty with pain.

I'm really scared that I have the same hereditary disease my dad and grandma died from.

I cannot stand, sit, or walk for very long.
 
Things are not going well for me. I am getting worse. Whatever disease is causing me so much pain is also causing me so much movement problems. Basic movement is so difficult. It is so hard to explain how terrible what I am enduring is also. It is like system after system is slowly going out and I am becoming paralyzed.

I'm stable on medication but still can't sleep through a night. I'm having a very difficult time eating (swallowing food and handling the fork etc.) difficulty with digestion. Difficulty with pain.

I'm really scared that I have the same hereditary disease my dad and grandma died from.

I cannot stand, sit, or walk for very long.

That really fuckin sucks. It would come to a time where you will have to be in a come to able to sleep a bit, let's hope not. I'm sorry..

I think your nervous system tho I don't want to play the doctor here but like your nervous system is fallin down step by stairs and that isn't impossible to fix since they can regrow but those on ur backbone/brain no.

Are you okay, how you doin?
 

That really fuckin sucks. It would come to a time where you will have to be in a come to able to sleep a bit, let's hope not. I'm sorry..

I think your nervous system tho I don't want to play the doctor here but like your nervous system is fallin down step by stairs and that isn't impossible to fix since they can regrow but those on ur backbone/brain no.

Are you okay, how you doin?

Thanks for the support. I appreciate it so much. I need it really bad.

Yeah, not doing well. I feel like I am dying. Slowly. I just wish it would get over with.

There is no way to fix this thing if it is the multiple system atrophy that my dad and grandma died from.
Talk about the worst thing possible to have also. It takes every shed of dignity and life you had.
Little by little.

I'm just watching myself getting worse and seeing the same symptoms and I am scared.
 
Dopeijay. I love alcohol too, just like an old friend who always made me laugh until the wee hours of the morning. I miss drinking like you cant imagine(maybe YOU can imagine....)

Baclofen cured me a few years ago. To the point that every 6 months or so I go get drunk, then spend a week hungover and I forget real quick what made me drink all those years. Daily baclofen use took away the happy positive feelings I had while drinking until alcohol lost its appeal and one day I realized I had not drank in a month and I had no desire to drink.
If you are to the point of understanding that booze is bad for you, check it out. Its sobriety the cheating way, but fuck it if it works it works right?
 
Shroomi- Drop the Codeine and run. You will be back on H in a month! Tough it out for a few days and get back to life without opiates. You keep up your CWE and all of your hard work over the last few months will be flushed down the drain. DO ANYTHING BUT CODEINE!!!!!!!!!
Pick something you can get easily that keeps your head on straight and focus on using that for a week or two and stop the opiates. Please.

We need you to take care of yourself.
 
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it so much. I need it really bad.

Yeah, not doing well. I feel like I am dying. Slowly. I just wish it would get over with.

There is no way to fix this thing if it is the multiple system atrophy that my dad and grandma died from.
Talk about the worst thing possible to have also. It takes every shed of dignity and life you had.
Little by little.

I'm just watching myself getting worse and seeing the same symptoms and I am scared.


Thinkin bout past will cut deeper than already did, at least keep those thoughts somehow safe and healthy but already doesn't matter you would say, I would say you re-evaluate and then see that it does matter too. You went to a doctor? And if so how about a operation or something? ( If it's the case). Try and live your life at full while you still can, a disease doesn't stand in your way, take care ❤️
 
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