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EU Referendum Discussion: Well That Worked Out Well Didn't It

Brexit, should we stay or should we go?

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I will say this again, slowly. And keep saying it, until it sinks in.

IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. RICH SCUMBAGS ARE THE PROBLEM.​
Or did you think that the money paid out in housing benefit goes to poor people?

The "housing shortage" (speech marks used because there are actually more homes standing empty than homeless people) is not caused by immigrants; it's caused by greedy landlords charging more in rent than the interest plus repayments on a mortgage. The NHS's difficulties are not caused by immigrants; they are caused by there being too many senior management and not enough front-line staff -- nurses and doctors.
 
BecomingJulie said:
I will say this again, slowly. And keep saying it, until it sinks in.

IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. RICH SCUMBAGS ARE THE PROBLEM.​
Or did you think that the money paid out in housing benefit goes to poor people?

The "housing shortage" (speech marks used because there are actually more homes standing empty than homeless people) is not caused by immigrants; it's caused by greedy landlords charging more in rent than the interest plus repayments on a mortgage. The NHS's difficulties are not caused by immigrants; they are caused by there being too many senior management and not enough front-line staff -- nurses and doctors.
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Right. And do you think the housing shortage and NHS difficulties represent the widespread problem, by themselves?! Don't you think there's a bit more to it!?

Do you have any facts/figures/sources/studies to back up your words? it appears not. We're all meant to just trust in your opinion, without questioning it?
 
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Raasyvibe said:
Right. And do you think the housing shortage and NHS difficulties represent the widespread problem, by themselves?! Don't you think there's a bit more to it!?

Do you have any facts/figures/sources/studies to back up your words? it appears not. We're all meant to just trust in your opinion, without questioning it?

I'm out.
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In August 2014 the HB (straight to landlords) budget was £23Billion and rising.

A fairly significant figure that has been rising since Thatchers free-for-all 1988 housing act. Nearly 14% of public sector payouts. The £90 Billion spent on pensions is the only single figure that tops it.
 
For what it's worth, my proposal for housing would be to limit the rent on a property to 75% of the interest (not including repayments) on a typical 25-year mortgage on that property. You can claim rent for as long as a building stands; but a mortgage is paid off after 25 years. I would also create an offence of making a person homeless under any but the most extreme circumstances (problem tenants do exist, but problem landlords are worse).

I would also deal with MPs' expenses by building a block of flats in London for the use of MPs while away from their constituencies -- and anything like a big TV with surround sound speakers that they buy with public money stays behind with the flat, when they move out.
 
I agree that the polarisation where the rich get richer and poor get poorer is prevalent and best exemplified with the fact that 50% of the worlds money belongs to 2% (or whatever the specific fugures were)

Dont you think to break this process we need to make a change?

Farage was talking about tackling big businesses and corporations. When he said that, im sure he had brexit in mind in acheiving that.
 
BecomingJulie said:
For what it's worth, my proposal for housing would be to limit the rent on a property to 75% of the interest (not including repayments) on a typical 25-year mortgage on that property. You can claim rent for as long as a building stands; but a mortgage is paid off after 25 years. I would also create an offence of making a person homeless under any but the most extreme circumstances (problem tenants do exist, but problem landlords are worse).

I would also deal with MPs' expenses by building a block of flats in London for the use of MPs while away from their constituencies -- and anything like a big TV with surround sound speakers that they buy with public money stays behind with the flat, when they move out.
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What if a landlord owes nothing on their investment property? They charge no rent?
 
Raasyvibe said:
And of course the flipside of the coin...

Hundreds of thousands of people come here and rape the shit out of our county... make cash businesses because the strength of the pound is strong...cheat on tax, send it to their own countries so they and relatives can live like kings in their own counties etc etc
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FFS
Tell him Hollie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJX5XHnONTI


Problem to me seems,Morality is something for governments to discern. Everyone else, plays by their rules. If you let people rape you, they'll do it.
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Rape is an act committed without consent, your shitty metaphor makes no sense (and your commas offend me)
 
Another thought: It is EU law that lets you bring in as much booze and as many fags as you like, as long as the duty was paid when they were bought. After Brexit, we will be allowed to impose import restrictions again.

The Government aren't going to pass up an opportunity to stop anyone enjoying a drink and a smoke, now, are they?
 
BecomingJulie said:
Another thought: It is EU law that lets you bring in as much booze and as many fags as you like, as long as the duty was paid when they were bought. After Brexit, we will be allowed to impose import restrictions again.

The Government aren't going to pass up an opportunity to stop anyone enjoying a drink and a smoke, now, are they?
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That's exactly why, for the first time in 33 years, I made the effort to vote (Bremain of course). Anything that affects the free movement of booze, fags and drugs is a fuckin no no in my opinion...
 
Buspersons Holiday said:
Raasyvibe said:
Problem to me seems,

Morality is something for governments to discern. Everyone else, plays by their rules. If you let people rape you, they'll do it.
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Rape is an act committed without consent, your shitty metaphor makes no sense (and your commas offend me)
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Ok...

Imagine I'm being shafted up the backside by [insert random eadder here, FUBAR seems to be butt of all jokes] against my will. I can scream and shout as much as I like, but if it's all legal; like fuck he's gonna stop. Especially with someone considerably younger and cuter like me.

Thankfully, we have laws against this sort of thing to prevent it from happening. With the prospects of a long term jail sentence, I'm safe for a little while.

But with people around the world coming here, plundering towns with cash businesses, cheating tax with all the cash money, sending it back to their own countries while our local economies are drained... thanks to previous governments and being dictated by Brussel's, there's not much we can do about it!..



Perhaps this is why people are veering towards figures like Trump and Farage. Because, as controversial as they are, at least they appear to have the balls to do something about this awful abuse of our countries economy while previous governments turn a blind eye.
 
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People are veering towards trump and farage because they're so fucking low that you stumble towards them when you walk through life with your eyes closed.

...if you wanna get metaphorical about it.

Those guys don't have balls. They talk a lot of bollocks, but that's about it.
 
Raasyvibe said:
But with people around the world coming here, plundering towns with cash businesses, cheating tax with all the cash money, sending it back to their own countries while our local economies are drained... thanks to previous governments and being dictated by Brussel's, there's not much we can do about it!..
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What the actual living fuck?

You are picking the wrong target. A few people living out the Auf Wiedersehen, Pet lifestyle "in reverse" and sending a little money home are not the problem. The problem is the rich fatcats, who avoid more in tax each year than you or I earn. Share their money out a bit more fairly, and a lot more people could be a lot better off -- certainly more than would feel worse off.

It's like someone who drives around in a gas-guzzler complaining about people breathing out carbon dioxide. What was that Bible verse about motes in eyes again?

Raasyvibe said:
Perhaps this is why people are veering towards figures like Trump and Farage. Because, as controversial as they are, at least they appear to have the balls to do something about this awful abuse of our countries economy while previous governments turn a blind eye.
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No. Farage, Trump et al have managed to convince people that the situation is so bad that it's time to resort to competition over co-operation. (When it gets that bad, one fat caveman has a better chance of passing on his genes than two thin cavemen.) So people turn and pick on the most vulnerable in society -- the exact ones they should be helping.
 
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Yep, Raas's post seems ill informed at best. Blame the previous governments who fucked up your tax receipts, the current governments who won't invest in the public services that are so stretched, not the small immigrant family coming over here, and even as you admit, making + spending money ( where do you think VAT goes..) then sending some money back to support their own economy, which as you people like to often point out, is going to fucking pale in comparison to our highly ranked Great Britain. Its funny how sometimes we are this Great Mighty Nation who doesn't need the EU and can function on our own, and others we are some weak timid nation that can't handle a bunch of Poles coming here and forming buisnesses.
 
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Its funny how sometimes we are this Great Mighty Nation who doesn't need the EU and can function on our own, and others we are some weak timid nation that can't handle a bunch of Poles coming here and forming businesses.
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Well put.
 
BecomingJulie said:
What the actual living fuck?

You are picking the wrong target. A few people living out the Auf Wiedersehen, Pet lifestyle "in reverse" and sending a little money home are not the problem.
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That "few" you mention, is in fact the best part of well over 8 million citizens. Plus another 1.1 million estimated illegal immigrants.

I agree immigration itself is not the sole problem which our country faces regarding economy - i never suggested it was. But it certainly is a very sizable problem and the most significant pertaining to the referendum, which is why I brought it up.
 
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There have indeed been some considerable problems related to immigration. The vast majority of which would never be a problem if it wasn't for morons like yourself, Rarse. Show me an immigrant-related issue and I'll show you a non-issue if folk like you shut up whinging and looked one helluva lot harder at your weak-arse selves in the mirror more often.
 
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