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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

Sprout said:
I think it depends on your typical usage pattern: weekend warrioring didn't feel too bad, certainly not like (M-)Amp does at similar levels. My experience above was from nigh on daily usage of 500mg+ for.... my memory is too fucked to be accurate, funnily enough, somewhere around 8 weeks.

Also given I'm clinically opposite to sane I feel it may hit me harder than others.
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Yeh, my typical usage pattern is a 3 - 5 day binge with breaks of 5 - 10 days. Eight weeks is certainly a little excessive by anyone's standards (though when I was on sulphate the binges ran into months - simply because i would need it to function properly. 3fpm isn't really conducive to functioning which is why I find it easy to have decent breaks)
 
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Phet is the definition of a functional euphoriant whereas 3-FPM is just hedonism.
The only thing that kept me remotely normal in that "real world" shit was not dosing in the mornings, I'd make sure to use once I was done and home for the day but it was the first thing I did upon walking through the door...
 
Sprout said:
Phet is the definition of a functional euphoriant whereas 3-FPM is just hedonism.
The only thing that kept me remotely normal in that "real world" shit was not dosing in the mornings, I'd make sure to use once I was done and home for the day but it was the first thing I did upon walking through the door...
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Respect dude!! Regardless of whether I need to function or not, if it's there then I'm bang at it before I get out of bed - repeat until all gone. Another reason I have no intention of buying a shitload before the ban..
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Respect dude!! Regardless of whether I need to function or not, if it's there then I'm bang at it before I get out of bed - repeat until all gone. Another reason I have no intention of buying a shitload before the ban..
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Do you vape in the mornings? Oral/plugged is much more functional IME, chasing just guarantees too much fiending.
 
Sprout said:
Do you vape in the mornings? Oral/plugged is much more functional IME, chasing just guarantees too much fiending.
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Yeh, the usual pattern is vape/sex/porn until about an hour before we have to get up, then have an hour chilling out, then start back on the vaping until a sufficient dose is consumed to get moving again. Sometimes I have a couple of oral doses during worktime - simply to stop me fiending in the back of the van, but I consider it a waste tbh.
 
Sprout said:
Crook's 3-FPM IV TR from Jan '15.

If you want to see how deep that rabbit hole goes, give it a read.
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Yeh, I've read that before. Although I've never IV'd 3f, I can relate to everything he says regarding serotonin activity, excessive bruxism, massive pupils and also the weird brain zaps he described the next couple of days. I had these with the first (and best) batches. I'd be at work and suddenly there'd be a 'flash' of an image in my head, so fast that I couldn't actually grasp the image, but it was accompanied by an intense feeling of deja vu. it was strong enough to stop me in my tracks every time - not actually unpleasant, in fact I found it quite interesting. I've never had it since those first few times though...

As for the rest of the report, apart from the fact he's using 3fpm, it sounds like a typical stim fuelled IV session to me ;)
 
I'm quite curious as to how much peoples tolerances have increased to 3-f, especially the Vapers.? I'm starting to see little to no benefits to continue using this chem, as I no longer get any of the real positive effects i once did, besides being awake and alert. just puffed through 3g's in 2 days... Can anybody else relate?
 
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Warning for vapers

If you are choosing to vapourise this compound please ensure you are actually vapourising it and not thermally decomposing/degrading by combustion.

3-FPM should run clear, the liquid phase is translucent. If you are getting brown/dark amber/black trails you are burning rather than converting to the gaseous state. It is not a semantic difference. It is not a minor thing. Do not think otherwise. Combustion of Phenylamines (all Amphetamines/Phenylmorpholines and a vast amount more) by excessive heating releases vastly toxic byproducts once the molecular bonds are broken.
In particular, Nitric Oxide (NO) fumes are given off readily from the amine moiety - NO is a free radical molecule which oxidises in air to form NO2. NO2 is highly toxic when inhaled and of a characteristic amber-red-brown colouration dependent on temperature, getting darker as the heat increases.
Both NO and NO2 are highly biotoxic when inhaled, causing severe respiratory damage and destruction to mucousal bodies via peroxidation of lipid membranes. The hydrolysis of NO2 upon contact with water forms Nitric (HNO2) and Nitrous (HNO3) acid which are directly corrosive to tissue membranes.
From Wiki: "Exposure to high level of nitrogen dioxide may lead to inflammation of the mucous membrane and the lower and upper respiratory tracts. The symptoms of acute poisoning are non-specific and have a semblance with ammonia poisoning, chlorine gas poisoning, and carbon monoxide poisoning. The symptoms also resemble that of pneumonia or viral infection and other inhalational injuries, but common symptoms includes rhinitis, wheezing or coughing, conjunctivitis, headache, throat irritation and dyspnea which may progress to nasal fissures, ulcerations, or perforation".

NO is a potent inflammatory agent and a direct cytotoxin - this paper details the resultant apoptosis of somatic cells and the capacity of NO to suppress the immune response of phagocytic and T-cells and actively damage DNA.


Eventual consequences include pulmonary oedema, pulmonary obstruction, bronchiolitis and damage to Haemoglobin function
The reduction in both oxygen capacity of Hb and eventual haemolysis leads to severe hypoxia on a systemic level, with symptoms reminiscent of cyanosis.
 
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Sprout said:
What about tobacco? Exhaust fumes? Atmospheric pollution?

RNS are not limited to 3-FPM.
It is concentration and exposure dependent.
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I dont smoke tobacco...what do you suggest i do about the other two? Stop breathing?
 
consumer said:
I dont smoke tobacco...what do you suggest i do about the other two? Stop breathing?
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It's probably the healthiest option :D

The warning did take me aback, momentarily, due to the times I had brown residue left on the foil. However, I'm in a rather fatalistic mood today so I'll dwell on it another time.
 
Don Luigi said:
It's probably the healthiest option :D

The warning did take me aback, momentarily, due to the times I had brown residue left on the foil. However, I'm in a rather fatalistic mood today so I'll dwell on it another time.
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Must be something in the air, I've been in a pretty doom-y mood today too.
 
There's only one thing for it; we must meet and wallow in our mutual misery..and weed :)
 
Most definitely yours. My stockpile of frozen pizzas is now depleted, so I fear I would make a poor host for you :\
 
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