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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

What's interesting is the desire to do it again is always in the back of your head.

I can go weeks or months or years without touching an opiate but it's always in the back of my mind.

You would think an OD would scare you but it doesn't. I fell out parked next to a fire station a couple years ago and woke up to a needle in my vein and EMTs telling me I wasn't breathing and they gave me Narcan. It was surreal and yet I still used again after that. I've gone months to a year without touching it and still went back. My advice? Don't start if you haven't already.
 
["97% of first-time heroin users do NOT go on to become addicts. Of course, brown & tar are a mixture of alkaloids. Pure H is pretty dull."]

Hell, I would say 97% DO get addicted the first time trying it. I know you made that statistic up on the fly so in your opinion, how do you figure that, and how'd you come up with that %?
 
["97% of first-time heroin users do NOT go on to become addicts. Of course, brown & tar are a mixture of alkaloids. Pure H is pretty dull."]

Hell, I would say 97% DO get addicted the first time trying it. I know you made that statistic up on the fly so in your opinion, how do you figure that, and how'd you come up with that %?

Don't think addiction is an instantaneous process. It's so much more insidious, and big part of getting addicted is not realizing until it's too late. You think you're fine, that you can control it, because you didn't get addicted straight away, so why not have some more.. perhaps become a chipper. Some might stay like that for years too. I do believe it's a vast minority that gets instantly addicted and start slamming it 24/7 after their first try, but I also believe quite a large portion of people who try heroin do end up as addicts, and it's very hard to gauge whether that will be you or not.
 
What's interesting is the desire to do it again is always in the back of your head.

I can go weeks or months or years without touching an opiate but it's always in the back of my mind.

You would think an OD would scare you but it doesn't. I fell out parked next to a fire station a couple years ago and woke up to a needle in my vein and EMTs telling me I wasn't breathing and they gave me Narcan. It was surreal and yet I still used again after that. I've gone months to a year without touching it and still went back. My advice? Don't start if you haven't already.

This is exactly where I'm at. I used pills from 2001- 2009 before lack of availability sent me to street dope. It's an all too familiar story when you talk about H use. You get hurt physically. For me it was 2 ruptured discs in a nasty football injury my senior year of High School. My family doc put me on roxicodone 15's. dosed me at 1 every 6 hours as needed. Well I needed it every 6 hours. In the early 2000's it wasn't uncommon at all for family doctors to hand out painkiller scripts regularly. This was sorta the beginning of the whole "epidemic" era. It was almost 4 months until I finally had the surgery to fuse my vertebrae back together and by that point Roxicodone had "stopped working" entirely.

That's what I told the doctor anyway. Truth of the matter is that I had built up enough of a tolerance that I wasn't getting high off of my 4 15's/day dose anymore. It still stopped the pain just fine, but no warm fuzzy feeling anymore. by the time I actually made an appointment with my ortho surgeon, I had convinced my doctor that what I really needed was morphine. Dilaudid to be more specific. The surgeon didn't hesitate to put me on it after the operation. Again, pain meds didn't have the stigma they do today. Once my script ran out early...go figure an addict's pain meds wouldn't last as long as they were supposed to lol...my doc caught on to my little charade. He was kind enough to taper me off the pills, but I never forgot how that first high felt. I didn't give a damn about anything. It was like my back was perfectly normal again.

When I couldn't get them from a doc, I turned to the street. Then when i couldn't afford them on the street, I started using dope. It didn't ruin my life to the extent as some of the stories you will hear but that's not because i wasn't a full blown junkie, it's because i had wealthy parents who fed my habit. they paid for everything.

Eventually I got busted with 1.5 grams, a rig, a cooker, a lighter, and tracks all over my body. not just my arms. i had em on my kneck, my hands, anywhere i could find a good vein. I was looking at a stint in the "state hotel" aka prison of quite a few years or treatment. naturally i went with treatment and have been clean since then. almost 25 months.

But as was said earlier, I still have that thought of using in the back of my mind, and sometimes the front, everyday. In fact, I think its fair to say I still miss the high. I believe that once you use H, you're fucked. That feeling is something you just don't forget.
 
I've only snorted it..I don't and never plan to IV any drug..every account I've heard of the people that get hooked inject and never look back.
 
Okay so I had about a gram a day heroin habit for about the last 9 months...never used needles or anything, just snorted it. I have now been clean 5 days and feel pretty much completely back to normal other than my sleep being a little but off but that's really all I'm dealing with.

A friend of mine came over last night to smoke with me and gave me a percocet 30 just as a "gift" and I'd love to do it today since I have to go out and do a bunch of stuff today however I'm terrified that my withdrawals will start completely over. The first 2-3 days were awful (hot/cold flashes, sore achy body, just felt like dying basically) I just want to make sure this one pill isn't going to completely restart my withdrawals.

Thanks!
 
If anyone could help out with this it'd be greatly appreciated. My girlfriend's work just informed her they need her to fly a couple states over to help out with one of their other branches for 3 days. She has a pretty bad opiate addiction so she'll need to bring some dope with her on the trip. If she brings a single, unused syringe with her would it be safer for her to put it with her checked baggage or her carry on? Or if it's too risky either way maybe she should just insufflate for 3 days? Again, any advice would really go a long way. Thanks
 
If anyone could help out with this it'd be greatly appreciated. My girlfriend's work just informed her they need her to fly a couple states over to help out with one of their other branches for 3 days. She has a pretty bad opiate addiction so she'll need to bring some dope with her on the trip. If she brings a single, unused syringe with her would it be safer for her to put it with her checked baggage or her carry on? Or if it's too risky either way maybe she should just insufflate for 3 days? Again, any advice would really go a long way. Thanks
Check the states law re guarding needles. She can probably just buy them at cvs if she shows an id.
How's she gonna get the dope on the plane? That's the real problem IMO. From what I've heard they got X-ray machines that can can see inside you now so that kinda kills the most obvious technique.
 
I tried heroin for the first time last weekend. Keep in mind I have a 40-60 mg per day opana habit and didn't really know how much of the H i should do at a time (snorting). I did 2 "bags" that afternoon and 3 "bags" the following morning and honestly didnt really feel a damn thing. Shitty H? I didn't do enough?
 
I think for anyone who tries heroin and enjoys it, there's a decent chance that they're in for a lot of trouble/regret in the future and that they'll wish at some point that they could go back and never pick it up. I've seen someone use heroin for the first time (IV) and not like it and not do it ever again. I've seen someone use heroin (IV) for the first time and love it, and yet they decided not to touch it again. But for most people who love it, I think it will turn into a problem and ultimately a habit and some form of hell on earth. They may one day come out the other side and find that they have no regrets because they finally learned to live a healthy and meaningful life. Or they may not make it to that point. A lot of people die. And most of us who make it any length of time will probably always struggle and wish we could turn back the clock.

But in terms of the actual statistical and survey data, I believe the percentage of people who try heroin and become addicted is about 25%. So 75% of the people who try heroin once will never have a significant problem with it. So, I think we do have to be careful about using scare tactics. Just because you and all your friends became low-bottom junkies doesn't mean everyone who tries heroin is going to fall into the same pattern. There are different levels of use and abuse, not that anyone is better than anyone else, but we're all different. Mostly, the users that we see are the ones who can't hide it, who are in pretty dire straits. And that's always a risk--no one is above getting to that point. But not everyone does.

I don't know how accurate it is that 75% of people who try heroin will never become addicted. I hear the statistic thrown around a lot by harm-reduction advocates. But even if it is true, that means that a person has a 1 in 4 chance of becoming an addict. Those are still frightening odds, and plenty of reason to just stay away from the stuff. Opiates are great, I love them, I hate them, they've hurt me, nearly killed me, they may destroy you--and they may not--but it's always better not to go there if you can manage to stay away.
 
Of course, with all the pill addiction I don't blame the people who switch over. Especially if they were already shooting pills, which is no better than shooting heroin and most likely even worse. When I started on heroin I was already in love with opiates but had managed not to develop a habit up to that point. I thought I knew what I was getting myself into. In some ways I did, and went ahead anyway. Some of us will no matter what anyone says or how much we think we know.
 
Anyone who seriously asks themselves "should I try heroin?" is probably going to try it. I wish that weren't the case but I think it probably is
 
I'd have to agree with Burnt Offerings. From what I've experienced with my addictions, the self -deception runs deep. It's far too easy to get in over your head and once there continue making even worse decisions. I wouldn't wager how many that try heroin become addicted obviously a great many do.
How for down a person goes varies but most all will agree they went further than intended.
 
Is it like ghb? I heard from a nurse that they are both central nervous system depressants..
 
I don't know how accurate it is that 75% of people who try heroin will never become addicted. I hear the statistic thrown around a lot by harm-reduction advocates.
23% is the number drugabuse.gov (=NIDA) states:

In 2011, 4.2 million Americans aged 12 or older (or 1.6 percent) had used heroin at least once in their lives. It is estimated that about 23 percent of individuals who use heroin become dependent on it.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/heroin
 
Anyone who seriously asks themselves "should I try heroin?" is probably going to try it. I wish that weren't the case but I think it probably is

True. And in some cases one may use it for quite some time and say they are not addicted.
But it's on our mind all the time.
For ever.
 
I'm glad that with the help of methadone, I feel like I got my life back. I'm finally back in school and going for my dreams. I have relapsed once in the last 4 months or so. Just because I was around it, and it was free and I felt like I could just do it once and was successful.
Besides, I'm getting more spiritual now, getting into Alan Watts and exploring consciousness. Therefore, I've been interested in trying again lsd, shrooms and ketamine. I mainly like K's OBE (Out of Body Experience) and Acid's self reflection and ability to think in an abstract manner. Sort of seeing patterns and getting into sacred geometry and stuff.
So not to get too off track. If you're able to do H once. I won't say go for it, but I won't say don't do it because in the end, you're gonna do what you're gonna do anyways. No matter what anyone says. I watched 'The Basketball Diaries' and years later STILL decided to snort that first bag. So it's a matter of curiosity and if you're at a point in life where you feel depressed or unfulfilled. So you aren't thinking too much about the outcome of that few hours of peace and bliss.
Just like all things, moderation is key. But when it comes to Heroin, if you don't follow that ideology, you'll lose an arm or end up 6 feet under.
So be careful and never mix opiates with benzos or other downers like alcohol.
 
Methadone can help. From my experience I'd suggest you try to keep it in lower doses as much as you can and try to see it as a bridge to get where you really need to be. Where you deserve to be.

In other words, don't let methadone be a problem in a mid-term period.
In lower doses and with a goal in mind you can be free of heroin and any other opiates.

Good luck and congratulations Beefy!
 
So, I'm laying here about to drift off to sleep with my kid laying next to me, normal scrolling around on the Internet, like i always do before bed. Never contributing to conversations, just reading. I came across this tonight and i felt compelled for the first time in a long time to share.

I'm now 30. Heroin came into my life around 23. First time out on my own, lived in a very hip area in Austin. Some neighbors that would always indulge me in my lsd/cocaine/alcohol non sense had some. I really got on with them, saw how they looked like they felt great, so i tried it.

Biggest mistake ever. I woke up the next morning remembering how 'great' i felt the next night before. My neighbor who now felt comfortable exposing me to his addiction quickly told me we could get some more if i could just get some more money. Fuck it, I'm broke, i just paid rent and bought food and gas, but i got dvds let's pawn them.

From there it devolved quickly into stealing fans, chainsaws, light fixtures, paint from home Depot, whatever home boy wanted for a chunk.

This carried on for three years or so, until i ran out to my mom's in the country to sober up. Moved back out after 2 years.

My sister shows up at my door step with her new boyfriend, guess what addiction they had? Yup, good old mr. H.

Me being the addict i will be for the rest of my life, especially at that time. I couldn't say no. Welcome back to hell. There was no testing the water this time, dove right back in. This time stealing from family. Tile saws, pawn their tvs while out of town between paychecks to keep my self going, general money theft,
Whatever went. Stealing from work and being fired was rock bottom. This time i ran out to Oregon to sober up. Spent about 2 years up there, came back to Austin.

Met my wife, had a kid. She's now 3. My sister still struggles, I've had my one night stands here and there (more than a year a part). But it's no longer i want and i think it's ran it's course with me. But not many have the outcome i did, death(many of my friends) or jail(my sister) for most.

DO NOT TRY HEROIN.

Biggest mistake anyone can make. It does literally NOTHING positive for you. thank you for listening, i shall now slip back into obscurity.
 
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