The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2

[Xorkoth]

Oh man, 10 drinks on MXE... yeah I could see that making a person black out. They mix well but it does make the alcohol stronger. And alcohol reduces the dissociation/psychedelicness of the MXE too. If I drink too much on MXE, it just becomes a sloppy state, no more magic, but still pretty pleasant.

 

[Kl519]

My metocin smells like concentrated bad breath. From what I've read, this is caused by the indole moiety, also responsible for the bad smells in breath and feces. Don't know why miprocin doesn't smell like that as well...

However I never noticed a fish smell.

Hmm, I don't know why either. The miprocin and metocin do not smell like each other, at least to my nose. Though I got them from different vendors, I kind of doubt that even matters. But none of these chems have pleasant odors, eg. I wouldn't use any of these as cologne, that's for sure.

The metocin I have is off white, more like light beige, if that's even relevant. But the color is more white than any other color.

I haven't used metocin much yet, but I didn't get that much so I'm kind of saving it. I actually haven't tripped much, just once this past weekend over several weeks, I think.

But I'm eager to try this and miprocin together.

 

[Xorkoth]

All the 4-HO-MET I have ever had - which has included a sample from the original place people got them, before it was commercial available, as well as the modern batch that I'm sure many here have - has been that sort of very light gray/beige color.

 

[Kl519]

I see. Is there a specific reason the color is the way it is? I mean, 5 mapb and 4 ho mipt are different chems, but they are exactly the same shade of tan color-wise. And metocin doesn't even look like that.

Sometimes I like to look at the "stuff" I have, and then put them away again. It's one of those times where I'm thinking, "Should I?" ..."Nah." And then put them back. This is on weekdays, when I'm usually busy for about half the day. On weekends I usually like to take a nice "break." Heh.

Now I see why people collect stuff. There's something satisfying about that.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I used to have a killer exotic psychedelic collection until my ex-wife made me throw it away. But yeah, all chemicals have their own color. I'm guessing 4-HO-MET's color is just a bit gray. Certainly not all chemicals are white.

 

[Kl519]

Aww, that's a joy kill. But at least you have DOC. I wish I had some of that. I've also wanted to try 2C-E and B, but alas even my experienced friends can't get a hold of those. Or T7.

Yeah, it's that color for my batch as well. I've tried reading the synthesis notes about how these chems are made, but I couldn't understand a good chunk of it.

I've always disliked chemistry. x.x

 

[Bigazznugz]

I see. Is there a specific reason the color is the way it is? I mean, 5 mapb and 4 ho mipt are different chems, but they are exactly the same shade of tan color-wise. And metocin doesn't even look like that.

Sometimes I like to look at the "stuff" I have, and then put them away again. It's one of those times where I'm thinking, "Should I?" ..."Nah." And then put them back. This is on weekdays, when I'm usually busy for about half the day. On weekends I usually like to take a nice "break." Heh.

Now I see why people collect stuff. There's something satisfying about that.

That's crazy cuz I just ordered those two and if the bags wernt labeled and the fact that fumerate powder piles up a certain way, the color is exactly the same pure white. And h hey doc is cheap man 1 gram of that will last a lifetime personally and its so damn cheap

 

[MagickalKat777]

Yeah I used to have a killer exotic psychedelic collection until my ex-wife made me throw it away. But yeah, all chemicals have their own color. I'm guessing 4-HO-MET's color is just a bit gray. Certainly not all chemicals are white.

Yeah I had quite the collection as well. Old roommate/lover made me dump it down the toilet. We are talking individual vials of tons of chems including mescaline HCl and 2C-T-7 along with other things like AMT, probably 50g of really awesome crystal methylone, 40g of the purest batch of Indian crystal mephedrone ever made (stuff tested as 99.97% and the crystals had to be crushed to dust or the stuff wasn't effective), and on top of all the chemicals I had a freaking 1/2 a pound of penis envy shrooms, the only shrooms that ever did it for me without making me pay later.

As for the MXE and alcohol and MET combo. I won't be repeating it. And now my roommate is actually furious with me because I crashed earlier and my alarm for my 8:15PM meds was going off for over am hour and a half before I woke up, shut it off, and took my meds. So hooray for that. Now he's trying to tell me I can't drink anymore. Fuck him. I would have passed out anyway and its not like I don't do the same shit when I'm sober and can't sleep!

Anyway, yeah, not going to combo this one again. Not with MXE anyway.

 

[Kl519]

That's crazy cuz I just ordered those two and if the bags wernt labeled and the fact that fumerate powder piles up a certain way, the color is exactly the same pure white. And h hey doc is cheap man 1 gram of that will last a lifetime personally and its so damn cheap

Really? Damn it. I'm not good with searching for this kind of stuff, and I don't want to use the dark net, but I could not find a vendor that would ship DOC to the USA.

I've been wondering why there are color variants in the first place. It seems that a lot of chems range from white to brown, and all the shades in between.

I know it's against policy to ask, so I won't ask. But I don't understand how all of ya get your stuff. I already had a lot of difficulty getting the few that I have. It's a sketchy business. There are so many scams and fake sites...it took me days worth of checking and searching, literally, just to get to a limited selection of chems that would ship over here. =l

 

[Aswert]

What would be a recommended medium dose for 4-ho-met fumarate, recently acquired from a reputable eastern european source(if that is of any significance). Was thinking of starting at 15mg.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I trip dick at 12mg. Others don't until 20mg or more. I would start low, 15mg was very strong for me but not overwhelming to the point of freaking out. YMMV.

 

[supersmoker27]

On the topic of lost collections my dad threw out my MDMA/LSD/2C's/DOC/4 sub trypts and ton of jwh when I moved away. Workin on replacing it bigger and better minus the 2C's, just sucks to think about those being lost. I thought they were still there till he told me a few months ago. His heart was in the right place, powders just didnt fly with him. he kept my shrooms and even brought my vaporizer up which is now 5-6 years old and goin strong.

Lookin forward to trying this one, its at the top of my list right now.

Tried 10mg of 4-HO-MET from my most favoritest vendor in the world. Came in little "microdots" stamped with a 'Droid' symbol. Kind of like an itty bitty E tab.
i'm sure i'm not the only one to have taken psychs and experienced this phenomenon with others, but there is an extremely frequent tendency for things that happen or that we say in conversation on this drug to become like catch phrases throughout the trip which instantly spawn bouts of uncontrollable nostalgic laughter. It's a hard thing to explain, but I'm sure anyone who's experienced it will know what I'm talking about.
For example: A's bust of Beethoven fell off the shelf and broke, leaving a bunch of pieces on the ground. When we found that his face was intact in one broken-off piece, we could not stop laughing for at least 45 minutes. Beethoven's facial expression on the bust added 10-fold to the hilarity. We keep his face piece to this day as a memory of that awesome time.

Haha I know exactly what your talking about. During one of my favorite trips ever the phrase (they should give this to dying people, so they can get trashed" sent us laughing till we couldnt breathe through the whole trip.
I gotta say great trip report also. made me really excited to try this one.

 

[Ophidian]

My first time with this one was @ 20mg. Very interesting chem, but i was missing some euphoric vibes like i use to get with LSD for example.
So wondering about mixing an euphoric stimulant to the mix, something like Mephedrone..
Anyone with experiences ?

 

[Achten]

My first time with this one was @ 20mg. Very interesting chem, but i was missing some euphoric vibes like i use to get with LSD for example.
So wondering about mixing an euphoric stimulant to the mix, something like Mephedrone..
Anyone with experiences ?

MDMA perhaps ? I tried the combo and it is nice, although I maybe prefer the two seperately. I find 4HOMET the most euphoric of all, maybe even more so than MDMA.

 

[Ophidian]

I often see people describe 4-HO-MET as an euphoric psychedelic.

But i didnt find it euphoric at all. Maybe it is due to set and setting like all psychedelics.. ?

 

[Kl519]

Yeah, and ymmv. I've read a lot of posters' comments about how 15mg of miprocin would be intense for them. For me, 20mg I just got euphoria, giggles, and the classic waving and breathing effect throughout my vision/whatever I was looking at.

On this one, metocin, it was similar but the euphoria wasn't as strong yet the visuals were stronger and more colorful/vibrant. I also got the giggles on that one too (everything takes on a "humorous" tone, just like shrooms would do to me). The headspace was nil too. 20mg as well.

I think lsd numbed psychedelics for me. Somewhat. Yet, I love those two chems a lot more than even my best times on lsd. It's probably just me, but lsd always seemed neutral, like in a second it could swath you with good vibes or bite you hard in the ass.

My friends loved it, but inside my head I groaned whenever it was "acid day."

 

[MagickalKat777]

What would be a recommended medium dose for 4-ho-met fumarate, recently acquired from a reputable eastern european source(if that is of any significance). Was thinking of starting at 15mg.

If it's the source I'm thinking of in Spain, 10mg will knock you out into the tryptamine universe so hard that I've actually ordered 4-AcO-MET (which apparently is the same potency but like most 4-AcOs is spread out over a longer duration) and 4-HO-MiPT which is roughly half the potency.

Let's put it this way. Out of all the 4-subs, 4-HO-MET is the most potent and that's even taking into account the fumarate which is going to add additional weight that would not exist if it was HCl (too lazy to do the math maybe someone else will) but 4-subs that are in HCl for are not stable. And definitely not stable as a freebase either. Rapid oxidation in HCL and in the case of 4-AcO-MiPT it was so unstable you would get irritated trying to weigh it because it would absorb the moisture from the air which would result in it actually gaining weight in the milligrams on the scale with the first batch from R*C back in 2004

Luckily that was a high dose material. If you get it from the right place, 4-HO-MET is around the same potency for me than even the most potent phen for me, which was 2C-T-7. And visually... No tryptamine can compare except the 5-MrO-AMT which I would recommend that poison to nobody.

Unlike 2C-T-7 though, there's no physical danger with 4-HO-MET I think it's one of those things that higher doses make it last longer like 2C-C does on the phen side but if you respect it and don't drink alcohol with or mix MXE with it (because of serotonergic properties of MXE) then there is not a damn thing to worry about with doses 15mg and under.

This is also the only 4-sub I heard of a 100mg dose being accidentally taken and the person came out the other side feeling great. So that says something.

 

[theacidtest]

There was a guy on the 4-ho-mipt thread who accidentally took over 100mg and came out fine, so I'd say that one has a good safety profile as well.

 

[Xorkoth]

If it's the source I'm thinking of in Spain, 10mg will knock you out into the tryptamine universe so hard that I've actually ordered 4-AcO-MET (which apparently is the same potency but like most 4-AcOs is spread out over a longer duration) and 4-HO-MiPT which is roughly half the potency.

Let's put it this way. Out of all the 4-subs, 4-HO-MET is the most potent and that's even taking into account the fumarate which is going to add additional weight that would not exist if it was HCl (too lazy to do the math maybe someone else will) but 4-subs that are in HCl for are not stable. And definitely not stable as a freebase either. Rapid oxidation in HCL and in the case of 4-AcO-MiPT it was so unstable you would get irritated trying to weigh it because it would absorb the moisture from the air which would result in it actually gaining weight in the milligrams on the scale with the first batch from R*C back in 2004

Luckily that was a high dose material. If you get it from the right place, 4-HO-MET is around the same potency for me than even the most potent phen for me, which was 2C-T-7. And visually... No tryptamine can compare except the 5-MrO-AMT which I would recommend that poison to nobody.

Unlike 2C-T-7 though, there's no physical danger with 4-HO-MET I think it's one of those things that higher doses make it last longer like 2C-C does on the phen side but if you respect it and don't drink alcohol with or mix MXE with it (because of serotonergic properties of MXE) then there is not a damn thing to worry about with doses 15mg and under.

This is also the only 4-sub I heard of a 100mg dose being accidentally taken and the person came out the other side feeling great. So that says something.

I do not find this to be true at all with regards to the potency, for me it's for sure not the strongest or even close, of the ones I've tried. Great stuff, just not that strong. I'd love to be one of the people who get knocked hard into the tryptamine universe off of 10mg, but for me 10mg is barely threshold. I mean it is threshold, but only that.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^10-12mg turns my carpet into a fuzzy ocean full of waves and fractals lol, and turns the walls shades of dark colors. I must say, I honestly dislike how hard it hits me. I'd rather just be mildly tripping... low doses of metocin are just too much for me. I'd hate to misweigh it and ingest 25mg or something... that would be too much I feel.