UK Ketamine Shortage

[clord0]

Did you do the whole lot at once?

I split 200mg into two lines, did the first, waited approx 5 mins and did the rest. Definitely didn't K-Hole.

 

[Dom58]

What id give to watch a si-fi movie with a nice line right now. COME ON SOUTH EAST HURRY UP!!!

 

[ColtDan]

Odd. and sod waiting 5 mins, wonk on and wonk can be weird. i remember hoofing 150mg once, then 50mg 5 mins later and it sorta fucked the wonk up. 100mg up one 100mg up the other straight away

 

[clord0]

I think it's something to do with how quick it wares off, seems the only way I'll K-hole is by just sniffing a monster line that knocks me out, knowing my luck I'd simply fall asleep rather than experience a proper K-hole.

 

[lartinos]

So many people I know have become addicted to this drug and it is very sad to so them in public barely even able to walk.SWIM did have some fun times using it, but I am over it. I am guessing that when they first started using it back in 99' or 00' it was real, but some how I don't think all of the stuff at the end there was real and instead an RC.

 

[Shambles]

Maybe my 'magic combo' for K is just doing small bumps alongside a roll on MDMA, as the K-hole/Heavy dosage route just doesn't seem to be the right thing for me individually.

MDMA + K is a bit of a special combo - they just go together brilliantly. Especially on the tail end of the MDMA. Bumps for peaking, lines for coming down was always my favoured approach but whatever floats ya boat really. There's no obligation to enjoy all drugs.

So many people I know have become addicted to this drug and it is very sad to so them in public barely even able to walk.SWIM did have some fun times using it, but I am over it. I am guessing that when they first started using it back in 99' or 00' it was real, but some how I don't think all of the stuff at the end there was real and instead an RC.

Firstly, please don't use terms like 'SWIM' - aside from being utterly pointless and irritating to read when used excessively it's actually against site rules. Stick with the first person - there is no legal protection in pretending it's not you.

That aside, I'd very much doubt there was any type of RC being passed off as ketamine in '99-'00. There was virtually no RC scene back then anyway - certainly not like there is today - and ket analogues only became available relatively recently. They simply weren't any back then. Plus ketamine was still legal in the UK at the time I think - certainly dirt cheap and virtually always pure anyway. It's more recent times since prohibition it's become a lot dodgier. Surprisingly enough 8)

 

[isthisincognito]

Cooking is just an alternative to crushing when using larger crystals - it turns large crystals into fine powder but is no different from crushing thoroughly by hand. There's an inordinate amount of bullshit myths surrounding ketamine and all the stuff about cooking is one of 'em. It's just crushing via the medium of hot water essentially. The solution is evaporated rapidly which makes the crystals formed much smaller - very small crystals = powder basically. If you do the same thing on a far lower heat (or indeed simply leave out on a plate with no heat for several hours) you get much larger crystals. There is no difference otherwise - ketamine is ketamine. Or at least it used to be. Has been a while since there was much chance of getting pure ket from dealers. Used to be the only drug you could virtually guarantee was never cut. Sadly no longer the case

Good call in not buying that vial - I thought the fella offering me vials was taking the piss wanting £15 apiece for 'em.

Ketamine vials afaik are either 50mg/ml or 100mg/ml and tend to come 5ml vials. I would happily pay through the teeth for a vial, not to use, but just as a keepsake, a momento.

As an IM/IV user of ketamine, sterile vials would be ideal for me, although they appear to be unattainable. I always get large shards or cuboid looking crystals, I've never cooked them, they crush easily enough - but even then I only need to dissolve them in Sterile Water, which is rather easy anyway.

What weight of powder would you get from a # ml vial?

It completely varies between brand, I know only of 50mg/ml and 100mg/ml in 5-10ml vials, although they've always eluded me.

Just looking at Ketalar® - which is only one official pharma brand (a pfizer brand I think?)

A ton of additional reading for those interested: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/12939/SPC/Ketalar+10+mg+ml+Injection/

Cards on a DVD? You need a banknote and a lighter, not cards.

I've never, ever weighed ketamine. Maybe you're being too cautious?

I would ALWAYS weigh ketamine, Too little sucks, Too much leaves a blank. Ketamine is weight responsive, so bigger people need a larger dose.

I weigh 55kg / 121lbs - According to Erowid I would require .75mg/lb to hole which works out at 90mg's IM

My regime is 65-70mg shots (spaced about 30 minutes apart), the first two just make me a little wonky (kinda a waste) the third one gives me mild CEV's, the fourth and fifth shots blast me into the stratosphere, If I continue to shoot my memory becomes heavily impaired.

If I dose higher than 70mg in a shot, I have strange heart issues (panic attack, ectopic beats, psychosomatic or something else, I don't know!)

However it's worth noting that if I wait 24 hours and take a single 65mg shot, I will hole. I don't have to repeat the initial "warm up" shots.

This is very useful - https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml

I highly recommend that no one attempts IV ketamine without an experienced sitter.

Time to crush this up and report back

Re doing it at night I agree that's better but at night my bloody scouse neighbours always moan at me for my bassy music, I'll just shut all my windows and curtains and make a funny ket sanctuary in my bedroom haha.

A shot of K first think in the morning to get you going, try it some time. It's fantastic.

Yes enjoy!

I know music is very much a YMMV thing but I find ket and disjointed electronic music go super duper well together.

Y'know how couples have "their song"? Well me and ket have the same thing, with Dimlite - Roo (A dedication). It's all like dayyuuuuum girl dis our jaaym!

Another from the disjointed area is Slugabed - Moonbeam Rider.

Shouldn't really post a third song as it's a feat in itself if people listen to the first one. But, this ambient song had me feeling so far into the hole I could smell kangaroo poo- Gas - Microscopic (Ambient Electronic Space).

They're awesome - I'm definetly adding them to my list. I've listened to amount of music, everything from Kraddy through to Ludovico Einaudi. Searching for that mix to guide me on a journey.

I do agree, disjointed bass really is special on K - especially if you have a sub that make the room vibrate

I'd have tons I could suggest, but I'll off you the one that you would never think would work with ketamine Rome the album by Danger Mouse and Daniele Luppi feat. Norah Jones The album is a story, and in my case I do my shot and hit play, it guides me through my adventure. Just an unusual combination. I highly recommend the album anyway

Snort lines that are smaller more often and you don't get a drip and absorb it all nasally which should be more effective. There's only so much a nose can absorb at any one time - the rest just ends up swallowed and oral ket is kinda useless unless you swallow a shitload. If you get a drip you're wasting ket. I do realise that in reality very few have the discipline to stick to a little and often routine cos it is somewhat counterintutive that small lines will get you higher than massive ones. Massive ones obviously work but you do waste a lot.

Using a "Bullet" works well if you like to dose this way, and I hear sudafed is great for afterwards

I can't speak for Ketamine, but with other drugs, using two straws and alternating between snorting water and chemical works brilliantly. Stops you getting bunged up - Just my experience, if you want me to elaborate just ask

And yeah with all those snorting techniques. It's funny i like to think i'm a bit of a veteran with it but people are shocked when i hoof up huge lines and loads falls out haha. It's times like these (droughts) that make me look back in horror. Gunna take so much care next time i get some k hahah

A bit of food for thought, most people completely disregard sublingual K because it tastes foul (and it really does!) but if you dissolve it in water and hold it under your tongue it works well

It's all about insufflating with ket if you're not interested in IM route, lots of discussion on it but in summary due to bioavailability eating/oral ketamine requires much higher doses (also tends to not be very kind to your stomach etc at all) and so I would basically count anything that comes beyond sniffing it, e.g. a drip in back of throat/taste of ketamine a waste to an extent. It's generally recommended if you're getting into regular ketamine use to spit the drip - a lot more studies are going into ketamine now though and it's effect on organs so with even google you can find lots of info compared to even a few years ago.

Best way to go about it is using both nostrils from experience but with regards to doing loads over time I found it sometimes fucks up on you because your nostrils can clog and sniffing isn't possible - doesn't take much if you have a tolerance with some of the stuff I came across last year.

There are remedies for stuffy nostrils, but it depends on the cause. I'll list the ones I would recommend

Sudafed (nasal spray - recommended by a friend, a "god send" he says - not used personally)
Traditional hot steam - add menthol eucalyptus whatever you think helps, as it starts to clear rinse with saline
Massaging Sinus Pressure Points - This works really well for me, once they clear slightly I snort saline a few times to properly clean them out
Buteyko method -I came across a method a couple of months ago whilst I had a cold which I think was this, and it worked really well, I vaguely remember pinching my nose and holding my breath before releasing my nose to take a breath. I might have that wrong, and remember with K's influence YMMV.

Are you sure what you have is Ket? 250mg should send somebody under without any hesitation with none/low tolerance??

Ive only experienced nausea when really drunk before hand. We're all different though I guess.

I never get nauseous, I don't mix with alcohol though. Ketamine is only for holing imho

I'll copy paste the erowid guidelines here for good measure

Insufflated (Snorted) Nasal Dosages​

	body weight (mg/lbs)	body weight (mg/kg)	approx total
Threshold	0.1mg/lb	0.045mg/kg	10-15mg
Light	0.15mg/lb	0.07mg/kg	15-30mg
Common	0.3mg/lb	0.14mg/kg	30-75mg
Strong	0.5-0.75 mg/lb	1.33-1.66mg/kg	60-125mg
The K Hole	1mg/lb	0.45mg/kg	100-250mg

Note: erowid only provides mg/lbs calculations. I converted them to mg/kg but may have made an error always double check calculations if dosing.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml

 

[Shambles]

I can confirm that Sudafed (and other similar nasal sprays - I think Vick's do a good one too) is an absolute godsend for nasal ket sessions. In fact for any session that involves mucho snorting of stuffs. Really does clean out your passageways which is a major issue when sniffing ket in particular.

 

[clord0]

might have to look into that, for now I'm giving K a break. got like 0.5 of the ket left so I'll save it for when I'm either on MDMA, or if not sell it off, easy to move things I don't need being a student, everyone wants something haha.

 

[ColtDan]

Some nice bass for wonky-ness

Sorrow - My Love

KOAN Sound & Asa - This Time Around (feat. Koo)

 

[Wonkchild012]

Was all this talk of it coming back just a bit of a hype? I was starting to get excited. It's been so long

 

[isthisincognito]

Was all this talk of it coming back just a bit of a hype? I was starting to get excited. It's been so long

I know people who have it, but it's price jumped. I can't comment on the quality, nor the volume. May just be dribs and drabs.

I think it's all the recent seizures - I have no idea on the size of the Global Ketamine market, nor how much of a dint 2600kg+ worth of losses would make, but I'd imagine it would hinder supply, and the demand is as big as ever.

There was a second thread on Bluelight somewhere (or maybe it was this one) I posted the manchester/crewe/sandbach bust, but here's a few others I know of. If you've read about any others please do post them

March 2014 http://m.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/2014/03/05/402079/CIB-seizes.htm (Thanks to Uncle Robert)

Febuary 2014 - 225kg's of ketamine seized in the northwest UK - http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ester-news/nearly-8m-drugs-seized-man-6685869

January 2014 - 424kg's of ketamine siezed from mainland China - http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2014/01/04/397538/Taiwan-police.htm

December 2013 - 200kg's was seized at an airport in Taiwan - http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2013/12/23/396597/200-kilograms.htm

December 2013 - 1,175 kilograms was siezed in India valued at over Rs.118 crore (£11,635,980.00 or $19,546,119.20) - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...zed-in-mumbai-rukhma-industries/1/331284.html

April 2013 There was a 1,000 kg's seized on it's way to British Columbia in April 2013 - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...or-smuggling-party-drug-into-canada-1.1411997

There is some horrible product going around, not that I've seen or heard it - I c&p'd here for you all to see. Apologies if it's been posted

apparently some of the UK vendors have been vending fake and/or toxic K. The report may have led to some of them pulling their listings..

*snip*

An anonymous person tested ketamine from 4 sources and tested with Mecke, Marquis and Mandolin.

Source A raw: showed possibly toxic adulterant - less than 10% Ketamine
Source A extracted: again showed possible toxic adulterant - less than 10% Ketamine
Source B: Likely adulterated the βk-MDMA - no indication of ketamine content
Local Source: Probably Benign Adulterant - no indication of ketamine content

Disclaimer: This person is anonymous, an agenda may be at play.

It does seems to be quite a large drought, certainly the largest I have seen in a long time. I know people who move large amounts of drugs and even they haven't seen any. The only thing that is going around is ket cut with mkat, or just fake stuff as you mention.

 

[Shambles]

To clarify the above edit, there wasn't necessarily a problem with the two articles I just *snip*'d but the site they were on was full of links to "Darkweb" vendor sites and that's a no-no on BL. You are free to summarise the content if you wish to but large-scale copypasta would not be allowed as it would link directly back to the site if searched for.

Good info on the rest of it though - especially good to know there's potentially dangerous "ketamine" being sold. Not good in the good sense obviously. Useful would perhaps be a better word. Under the circumstances it would likely be wise for anybody who does come across any supposed ket to treat it with caution and test before using. I do believe there are test kits which can identify ketamine but am not familiar with them myself - if anybody has a better idea it would be good to know cos totally fake and potentially toxic is not good and is not something that's ever been an issue with ketamine previously. Prohibition ftw

 

[isthisincognito]

^ I did think that it may have been a breach of BLUA. I do apologise.

I think, even if I tried to reword it, it wouldn't take a monkey too long to find it on google.

 

[Dom58]

The thing I'm looking forward to the most is my tolerance would have gone down significantly

 

[Wonkchild012]

The thing I'm looking forward to the most is my tolerance would have gone down significantly

haha you know this. when i managed to get an old gram that someone had forgotten about it hit me HARD. 2 bumps and i was stumbling, was great, and it's now been another 3 months since that.

 

[ferrett1979]

Stil nothing about mots of old stock been sold off at 25 per g No one seems to have any idea when anything coming in

 

[Uncle Robert]

Febuary 2014 -I'm assuming you all know about the bust in the northwest (225kg's of ketamine)- http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ester-news/nearly-8m-drugs-seized-man-6685869

December 2013 - last year 200kg's was seized at an airport in Taiwan - http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2013/12/23/396597/200-kilograms.htm

December 2013 - 1,175 kilograms was siezed in India valued at over Rs.118 crore (£11,635,980.00 or $19,546,119.20 - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...zed-in-mumbai-rukhma-industries/1/331284.html

There was a 1,000 kg's seized on it's way to British Columbia in April 2013, I doubt it would have any impact on the UK market but I'll post it for reference

April 2013 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...or-smuggling-party-drug-into-canada-1.1411997

March 2014 - 324 kg being smuggled from China http://m.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/2014/03/05/402079/CIB-seizes.htm

 

[isthisincognito]

There is some horrible product going around, not that I've seen or heard it - I c&p'd here for you all to see - A mod snipped it with good reason, I thought it may have been borderline BLUA, you live and learn.

*snip*

The summary of the *snipped* information in essence I've quoted below, purely for awareness. If you have any questions ask and I'll refer to the information I have, but I'm not facilitating sourcing, vendors or sharing links (as BLUA doesn't like them - quite rightly so)

An anonymous person tested ketamine from 4 sources and tested with Mecke, Marquis and Mandolin.

	MECKE Expected: No reaction/clear​	MARQUIS Expected: No reaction/clear​	MANDELIN - Expected: Quick reaction to dark orange.​	Adulterants​	Ketamine Present​
Source A raw:	Slow reaction to a dark purple/black	Very slow reaction to a faint orange/red with hints of yellow	Immediate reaction to a dark orange	Adulterant present - possibly toxic	Less than 10% Ketamine
Source A extracted:	Clear with faint hints of yellow	Clear with faint hints of black	Immediate fizzing reaction to a dark orange. Again, faint hints of black	Adulterant present - possibly toxic	Less than 10% Ketamine
Source B:	Immediate reaction to a fluorescent yellow	Immediate reaction to a lemon yellow	Immediate reaction to a dark orange then after 2 to 3 minutes, presence of intense red dots.	Adulterant present - Possibly βk-MDMA	No indication of ketamine content
Local Source:	A little fizz but no color change.	A little fizz but no color change.	Fizzes to Dark Orange	Adulterant present - unreactive	No indication of ketamine content

Some notes: Applied to gums numbing effect occurred – slightly different than ketamine. There was a strong salty taste and some burning - not dissimilar to table salt.

A Mandelin reagent test produced an oily sheen followed by a glint of orange after 30 seconds, then darkened to black. Ketamine should just go orange. This process was repeated with a different mandelin to confirm the mandelin the result was not due to contamination or other factors.

An easy (but not foolproof) check for fake Ketamine is with 99% isopropyl alcohol. Normal ketamine is soluble in isopropyl alcohol; some cuts are NOT soluble - beware isopropyl alcohol can draw water from the air to dissolve the cuts, you need to perform this in a controlled environment (a small tub-aware at least)

Disclaimer: This person is anonymous, always assume an agenda is at play.

His testing is a bit more extensive than what I've quoted - I've done my best to completely reword it too.

Problems when consuming the "contaminated" batches.

Noticed some swelling and darkening in the joints of my extremities, could be internal bruising - there is no pain. This fake product is to be suspected, since it has been consumed in small amounts over a short period of time. Anecdotally the symptoms could be in line with an anticoagulant effect causing small hemorrhages in joints – since joints are continually moving, this is a common symptom of anticoagulant activity.

I would urge people who start obtaining ketamine to run some rudimentary testing on it to be sure, especially if you are an IM/IV user.

What quick/easy/basic tests can be done on ketamine to verify the product, or show cuts/contaminants? - I'd like to consolidate it into a single post people can reference, especially if the ketamine market is a little iffy at the moment. I'll even volunteer and document my first g for testing.

 

[Wonkchild012]

I don't know if it's just a rumour, but of the bad stuff circulating in Brighton, people are saying it's been cut with MSG, i've tried some of this stuff and i didn't get wonky at all and it burnt my nose craaaazily.