The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

[[éS]Infinite]

Why rosemary oil? How would you separate the 4-AcO-DMT from it for use? It just doesn't seem practical but maybe I'm missing something.
Also, what do you mean by modifying the 4-aco placement? 5-AcO-DMT?

 

[ShaggyFin]

Why rosemary oil? How would you separate the 4-AcO-DMT from it for use? It just doesn't seem practical but maybe I'm missing something.
Also, what do you mean by modifying the 4-aco placement? 5-AcO-DMT?

It would just keep it from oxidizing, and you could mix it with like Gatorade or something when you are ready to use it.

No, not like 4-aco to 5-aco, more like (I know this is completely wrong as far as nomenclature) 4-NBOMe-DMT, or like 4-Amp-DMT. Just something to keep that Oxygen busy.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^ You've really taken up this fetish (borderline obsession) of trying to create new drugs haven't you .

 

[Xorkoth]

I did a while back, but it all turned brown and I moved and left it at the old place. I should have kept it in the freezer. It was "Formate" though I think is what the site said.

Yeah, it seems that the fumarate salts of tryptamines are quite stable, suppliers started creating fumarate salts a number of years ago because the other forms of tryptamines are notorious unstable. Is that formic acid they use to react with the freebase to form a salt?

 

[ShaggyFin]

^ You've really taken up this fetish (borderline obsession) of trying to create new drugs haven't you .

Not necessarily drugs, but I am interested in understanding the stuff around me enough to break it apart and rearrange it.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

I would still suggest not storing your compound in an essential oil; there are too many different compounds in essential oils that's it's difficult to say whether or not it will cause degradation.
And when you say keep the oxygen busy, keep in mind there is no oxygen atom on a DMT molecule, I think you're referring to the acetoxy group in 4-AcO-DMT. You want to break the double bond between the oxygen and carbon of that group and add another functional group to it?
And I've yet to see any formate salts appear as psychedelics. Are they used in food products? I know formic acid is what causes irritation from ant bites.

 

[Folley]

I really need to give this one another go.. my only dose has been something like 35mg in an AWFUL setting. Was an extremely mania ridden overdose.. but, I rode though it eventually. Need to try it again in a lower dose and a better setting.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

35 mg is damned high for a bad setting. I've found my comfort zone is 20-25 mg, but I'm not prone to pushing things to their limits. I may try a higher dose eventually (~30 mg) to see if I can achieve equivalent or greater benefits than I do at the lower doses. Based on my experiences with mushrooms and psychedelics in general however I've learned that less is more.

 

[ShaggyFin]

I would still suggest not storing your compound in an essential oil; there are too many different compounds in essential oils that's it's difficult to say whether or not it will cause degradation.
And when you say keep the oxygen busy, keep in mind there is no oxygen atom on a DMT molecule, I think you're referring to the acetoxy group in 4-AcO-DMT. You want to break the double bond between the oxygen and carbon of that group and add another functional group to it?
And I've yet to see any formate salts appear as psychedelics. Are they used in food products? I know formic acid is what causes irritation from ant bites.

I meant the oxygen's on the 4-aco, as I said before, using the 4-aco kinda like a bridge.
There was one vendor that had 4-Aco-DMT Fumurate for a while. I don't know what formate salts are used for besides that.

I really need to give this one another go.. my only dose has been something like 35mg in an AWFUL setting. Was an extremely mania ridden overdose.. but, I rode though it eventually. Need to try it again in a lower dose and a better setting.

35 mg was an overdose? I put 500 mg in some Gatorade (then drank about 3/4 of the bottle) and spent all night curled up at the toilet, and the next day did some very inspired reading about Hannibal Barca.

 

[abrad84]

35 mg was an overdose? I put 500 mg in some Gatorade (then drank about 3/4 of the bottle) and spent all night curled up at the toilet, and the next day did some very inspired reading about Hannibal Barca.

35mg would be too much for me and many others.

So you're trying to tell us you took ~375mg. If this is true (I have my doubts) it's exactly the kind of thing that leads to hospitalisations, deaths, media coverage and inevitably a ban. You sound like the last person who should be playing with exotic chemicals.

I remember you from last year posting the same kind of nonsense btw.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Just want to make it clear, formate and fumarate are very different; formate salts would form from formic acid and fumarate salts would form from fumaric acid. Also, breaking the C=O bond on the acetoxy group to attach another functional group would compromise the stability of the compound and might result in steric hindrances if you're aiming to attach something too large. If anything, substitute the C=O bond for C-OH or something else minor and proceed from there.

Also, if a huge overdose like 375 mg hasn't taught you that inflating your own ego to contend with someone else's experiences is a deplorable characteristic to hold, I think you missed a large part of the psychedelic experience. Every person's neurochemical make-up as well as genetics and personality act as factors in our sensitivities to drugs.

 

[MrPorter]

In terms of storage, I've kept the fumarate in the baggy it came in for nearly 2 years now with no change in appearance or, afaik, potency. It's simply in a baggy, alongside many other baggies in a huge baggy and then hidden away out of direct light, in a fairly stable temperature. I've recently put some of those silicate gel thingies in the largest baggy since I've basically stopped using

 

[ShaggyFin]

35mg would be too much for me and many others.

So you're trying to tell us you took ~375mg. If this is true (I have my doubts) it's exactly the kind of thing that leads to hospitalisations, deaths, media coverage and inevitably a ban. You sound like the last person who should be playing with exotic chemicals.

I remember you from last year posting the same kind of nonsense btw.

My 10 year old brother had a heart attack and died like a week before, and I was just not thinking. I had never done 4-aco before, and I jut thought of it like Mushrooms, I didn't think anything could go wrong. But for me it was a good experience, because I really learned a lot about Hannibal the next day, on a very deep level.

This is the only time I took 4-aco, you can think whatever you want about what I say now and last year, I honestly don't give a fuck, it's all true. But I am no longer doing RCs as long as I am in America.

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Sorry to hear about your loss Shaggy, I can't imagine the pain of losing one of my siblings. I'm glad you came out of that trip physically and emotionally well, I doubt many people could under those circumstances.

 

[ShaggyFin]

Sorry to hear about your loss Shaggy, I can't imagine the pain of losing one of my siblings. I'm glad you came out of that trip physically and emotionally well, I doubt many people could under those circumstances.

Reading about Hannibal's life and Hannibal's loss actually helped a lot. I feel very close to him even though he has been dead for over 2000 years. And from there I started reading more about Imhotep while I waiting for a Hannibal book in the mail.

 

[tryptamine-tripper]

2 days ago I had the best trip I've had with 4-AcO-DMT (and I've done a lot of 4AD), on 84mgs. Easily one of the most beautiful trips I've had on any substance, in fact. I really think that with 4-subs (and LSD) a lot of people underdose, and that leads to less satisfying, less full, and especially less mystical trips. Now, high doses will make for a harder come-up, but when I peaked on this trip all anxiety disappeared, at more standard 4AD doses anxiety tends to show up here and there after the peak, but not this time! And a standard dose has never come close to this in terms of euphoria, a sense of unity with the universe, love, etc.

Many wouldn't be happy about the increase in body load (which is less present with other 4-subs I find), but the last thing I cared about was my body during this trip- experienced a distinct sense of ego-loss (slowly & smoothly separated from my ego as I got deeper into the trip), and when I was lying down the body load wasn't an issue anyways. Outside of combo trips, or maybe trips with friends where I gotta watch over them (I don't know anyone who handles psychs as well as I do), I'm never dosing a 4-sub under 50mgs again, it's just not worth it unless it's very strong for me (YMMV!).

 

[Axed]

Dang, I've only gone as high as 35mg and that was an absolutely ridiculous trip. I could not imagine nearly tripling my dose! Are we going to see a trip report from you? Because I'd love to hear more about your experience.

 

[tryptamine-tripper]

Ah well I've never been the type to write trip reports. Trying to do so while tripping would just take me out of actually experiencing the trip, and thus seems silly and like it's working against the point of tripping...and of course I'm not gonna remember everything that happened, or what order everything happened in, afterwards! At least not the way I trip. I will say though, that for most of the peak I ended up just laying on my bed in silence, in awe of the beauty around me, which is quite rare as usually I'm listening to music through entire trips (or close to it)! But I've always found that there's a certain dosage point at which music or any other type of stimuli becomes impossible to pay attention to, at which point all I can do is watch the trip unfold around me...oh yeah, I'll also say that, while the peak was a pretty standard 4 hours, I was still distinctly tripping for another 4 hours after that (thanks in part to marijuana on the comedown).

 

[phuckingnutz]

on 84mgs. Easily one of the most beautiful trips I've had on any substance, in fact. I really think that with 4-subs (and LSD) a lot of people underdose, and that leads to less satisfying, less full, and especially less mystical trips. Now, high doses will make for a harder come-up, but when I peaked on this trip all anxiety disappeared, at more standard 4AD doses anxiety tends to show up here and there after the peak, but not this time! And a standard dose has never come close to this in terms of euphoria, a sense of unity with the universe, love, etc.

Many wouldn't be happy about the increase in body load (which is less present with other 4-subs I find), but the last thing I cared about was my body during this trip- experienced a distinct sense of ego-loss (slowly & smoothly separated from my ego as I got deeper into the trip), and when I was lying down the body load wasn't an issue anyways. Outside of combo trips, or maybe trips with friends where I gotta watch over them (I don't know anyone who handles psychs as well as I do), I'm never dosing a 4-sub under 50mgs again, it's just not worth it unless it's very strong for me (YMMV!).

Yep, you got THAT right.
I've done a half dozen IM doses in the 100+ mg range of 4-aco -DMT and it IS a totally different drug at that level.

 

[shakan27]

has anybody tried 4-aco-dmt with 5-meo-mipt??

also has anybody noticed a descent variation in batches? I've had super potent white powder with lots of yawns and a little less potent white powder with fewer yawns, and now I have tan powder that is the least potent of my batches but has the least yawns making it the most desirable.