^ I second that 2-3 months is not rushing off. That gives you plenty of time to stabilize at a dose around 4-8 mg and then you can do a relatively slow taper, like the drop to 75% every 3-4 days that I mentioned above. The thing is 2-3 months could be rushing off. The idea of rushing off Subs is kind of subjective, some people will screw themselves over by getting off too soon and not fixing the problems they had that led to their opiate addictions. It doesn't matter how long you wait, if you didn't change your life to make being clean of opiates a feasible reality, then you are stacking the odds well in favor of a relapse. Well that is at least how I see it.
Also, wondering what dose you stopped at that you were getting those dreams? Oh and just for the record I prefer to call them "sticky dreams", a lot more accurate IMO/E.
I basically cold turkey'd off of 16mg a day which I was on for 18 months. This was back when doctors claimed the withdrawals weren't bad at all, so when I went away to school and the only bupe doctor in the area couldn't see me for like 6 months, I gave up and went from 16mg/day to nothing in 2 weeks, so basically jumped to 8mg for a week, then a few days at 4mg and maybe a day at 2mg then stopped.
there is no doubt I NEED bupe and I dont see any questioning it. what I am questioning is why others are always in such a rush, or low dosage to get off the bupe itself. I've road the bupe/dope roller coaster for a while toward the end of my last run due to funds NOT being there. I'd take those bupe dosages we usually mention here but I was taking those doses just to hold off until I could pick up the next batch; even if it were 8 hours later. which is why I am one to believe that 1-4MG does not do much to a true junkie who is trying to stop and having a hard time. once I started out at 24MG and dropped to 16MG in less than a week; I've felt great since. Been about 4 months now and there are no cravings, no problems, no nothing. I truly feel blessed for what I have been given and the Dr. I have been seeing.
He's also prescribed me just 10MG Celexa which supposed has some sort of interaction w/ the bupe; but we all know how Dr's are and how each drugs plays a part w/ another in various ways, blah blah. w/ each doc. you hear a different story, but whatever because everything is working fine over here.
My doc. knows I smoke weed. He sees the script and can understand w/ the cancer/tumor that if it's what helps me stay clean, or at least so far. he also knows I've been re-scripted the benzo's due to anxiety; thing is, they script me on a WEEKLY basis, so they cannot be abused, which I am fine by. he has under pretty good control which I am fine w/ and absolutely happy w the results.
the 1 addy I took the other day was just a trade for a benzo through a work guy. probably havent done addy in years before that one.
You have to consider that there are people on suboxone that haven't been through all of that, and some of whom were just taking a moderate dose of pain killers for a while and then got sick of being strung out on them and having to cop them each day, so decided to get on subs. Considering how potent bupe is these people may end up worse off if they stay on a high dose of suboxone for a while, so I believe that trying a 3 month taper may be a better option, and if that's not working out then discuss further maintenance with doctor.
I also highly agree with changing people/places/things if you wish to stay clean after getting off subs. And I think you asked about the 'stickie dreams' or whatever you guys were calling them. They didn't happen until I came off the suboxone (no pun) although I've heard of some people with such high tolerances to dope that they will start getting those dreams when they first get on subs, or when they take methadone for a 5 day detox.
Today 1 mg.
3 days here then , unsure of what their going to do.
I go in tomorrow and find out.
I slept real hard last night like it almost hurt to sleep.
They gave me clonidine, haven't taken it yet. Don't even know when or if I should. 1mg feels like an accomplishment.Getting here with very little problems is even better. Didn't take any benzo's last night or the past couple nights.Trying to get a break in case I need them for a few nights down the road.
1 mg is so little . It's amazing that something so very tiny can be so powerful.
Clonidine worked wonders for me when I was kicking dope. I would always go cold turkey as long as I had clonidine on me because I just wanted the withdrawals to be over with asap, and with the clonidine I was able to tolerate it a lot more and just lay in bed for 3 days and get the worst part over with. It took care of restless legs, it helped with anxiety, and it allowed me to sleep a little.
yup. I started with the 8/72 rule( the second time) and it was working for 2-3 months and one day I said eff it and here I am. It was weird how fast it went past my usual dosage this second time. I got up to 400 mg/day. That's when I felt it was taking over. I had to make a move or it was over.
Here I am today. I am down to 1mg and I'm feeling it. I took a very tiny piece to help this evening.
I just can't see that
8-72 rule working. If you have had a habit before then that's too often to use and you will start feeling withdrawals after a few weeks of doing this. If you haven't had a habit before then after a few months of doing this you will be dependent on getting that dose every 72 hours, and will go through some withdrawals without it. A person may think that they aren't dependent this way, but it may be that they are using before the withdrawals get a chance to start, so if they waited longer than the 72 hours they would start getting sick.