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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v16.0

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Buprenorphine is such an amazing substance. It plays the part of almost any opioid/opiate depending on the person and their varying degree of tolerance. If it wasn't for this substance and society as a whole slowly becoming more tolerant of mental health issues god knows I'd be somewhere but here.
 
It kind of doesn't make sense. The whole point of using suboxone is to come off opiates n doctors prescribe opiates to get of suboxone. Doesn't that kind of make suboxone's purpose, meaningless n the heighten possible risks to re-addiction? When I withdrawal I wi just taper, withdraw n push through it. No way would I risk becoming addicted again after going through all that to try n overcome it. Just my two pence worth.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Thanks for the support BostonBrownTown.
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so hows it going so far today? just gotta stay strong, man! thats what matters most. life's not easy, you know that. shit happens, but we can always improve ourselve, we just NEED to WANT TO IMPROVE!
 
Today is my last day at 6mg sub. This taper plan has been great. Drop 2 mg every 3 days. I started at 16.
tomorrow I go to 4mg. Question:With the extremely long half life, is there any way to estimate how much sub is actually in my system.

I haven't felt any drops. Yesterday I was feeling moody a little , then I took 15 mg adderall and the day was great.

Thanks to anybody who can give me an idea to how much sub is in my system.
 
Well done, not again. Keep going. According to what I've read people don't normally feel drops until 2 mg n under so then is when the doctormay go slower.
Take care of you. Always here if you need a chat.
Evey x
 
Not so good BostonBrownTown.

I dunno wtf im going to do, my motivation and energy has been at all time low since the bupe bings 6 days ago left my system, today i could barely be arsed to move let alone do anything productive.

I found a tub with about 2 tablespoons of poppy pod powder in it. Id had enough of feeling like shit, so i had 1 tablespoonfull earlier on, and how nice did that feel. Figuring its best to prevent another relapse im just finishing the remainder off now.

I dont know wtf im going to do if i dont get a job soon, I'll have to start ebaying everything, downgrading everything ive upgraded, maybe sell my house, and find somewhere to rent where the interest from the house sale covers the rent, bills and living expenses. Might have to move to a poorer country to do that. Its an absolute bastard trying to quit opis it robs you of all energy, motivation, ideas, inintiative, everything. I wonder how long it takes for all this to start recovering.

Its only with the aid of this powder that ive been able to order everything I'll need for the next month, and got thoroughly cracking on the washing up too. Ive also felt so much warmer today, been freezing for the last few days. It seems to be true that opiates keep you warm. I sometimes wonder if its worth all this lethargy to give up opis, i hate being chained to anything, but how fucking long does it take to get over this ?

Hopefully my masterplan will come into play tonight, ive got 95 % of my dirty dishes from the kitchen soaking in that 99.9 % germ killer stuff. Hoping for a huge energy boost in the next hour or two to get all that blitzed and all the spare stuff is going into storage, and im just keeping the bare minimum in use; 1 plate, 1 bowl etc. This will prevent washing up mountains building up all the time.

I wish I knew the answer to the question about motivation, I guess I have to give time, time. My timing in terms of the time of year to quit could absolutelty not have been worse. I didnt plan to be qutting at this time of year, it was all supposed to be over by April or something. Do you re-gain energy by rest and recuparation or forcing yourself out and about to get some excercise, like walk for at least 1 hour per day or something ?

Im not gonna loose my head any more than its allready lost lol, its incerdible, the tea is kicking in and im immediately feeling far more positive about everything. I reckon this dose will see me good for 48 hours, and then back to the fucking grind all over again. I know it's only been 6 days, i need to be more patient, and get things into perspective better.

(almost) ex opi dependant person seeks advice from some sage who has been through this and recovered.
 
Eveleivibe said:
It kind of doesn't make sense. The whole point of using suboxone is to come off opiates n doctors prescribe opiates to get of suboxone. Doesn't that kind of make suboxone's purpose, meaningless n the heighten possible risks to re-addiction? When I withdrawal I wi just taper, withdraw n push through it. No way would I risk becoming addicted again after going through all that to try n overcome it. Just my two pence worth.
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I get what you're saying and it does seem counterintuitive, and surely it carries risk, but for me personally I've been so far separated from the using lifestyle for such a long time (no contact with anyone, changed phone#s, no facebook or other social media, etc for 6 years now, plus have had 2 kids in that time), and after being on bupe for 6 years, I'm confident that small doses of something like Vicodin or tramadol wouldn't tempt me over to the darkside again. But for some it might, and in those instances I think they should probably stay on bupe for a while longer anyway, or push through it like you say.
 
You're going to have to go through some level of withdrawal anyway, whether you come off the bupe directly, or switch to something like hydrocodone or tramadol and come off that.. and you're not going to have any easier withdrawals from a full agonist opiate than you would from bupe.. as a matter of fact, the withdrawals from tapering down a very low dose of bupe will be much easier than any level of withdrawals from a full agonist.
 
When they did a two week taper on me in rehab:

They started at 16 and stopped at 2mgs. The last three days they gave me 2mgs the first day, nothing the second day and 2mgs on the last day.

I was fine throughout the whole taper, didn't even notice the differences in dose...

48 hours after the last dose I had all the classic symptoms of opiate WD....I was up for pretty much 11 days straight, with a few minutes of sleep here and there. When I got up after trying to sleep, I always felt the sickest.

IME, opiate WDs are always the worst at night going into early morning. I usually hit a point where I feel okay during the day, and those periods of feeling okay get longer.

but no matter how much you taper, you always go through it in the end...Whoever can really figure out how to get through it completely with no suffering will be my hero! I've yet to hear of it....Suboxone was being touted as that when it first came out...It's a great drug in many ways, but the WDs suck just as bad as any other opioids; arguably worse in some ways...Namely, the fucking duration!
 
/\ I agree BlueHues, bupe w/d fucking sucks!! I've said it before and I will say it again I'd almost rather get fucked hard and fast (Like an H/other full aggys WD) than get fucked long, drawn out and annoying!(Like a bupe detox)

I have been on and off but mostly on bupe for the last 1.75 years. I am getting ready to come up on an attempt to kick this monkeys ass once and for all.
I have 2.5 8mg Roxanne Subutex pills and plan to acquire 4-6 2mg klonopins.
I am going to do my best to only IV 1mg a day with these although I need to start asap so I might do 3mg until the last few days. And I will also try my damndest to not take all the clons and save them for when I run out of bupe.
I also have 50+ grams of kratom, multiple strains. When I tried to use it for heroin detox it seemed useless but I know tolerance was probably the culprit. I will try and use it for the first week maybe after I let my tolly drop.
I also have a medium size ziploc bag full of kava, but I haven't seemed to get much from it in the past.

Wish me luck, and good vibrations to all who are battling a similar fight!!
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Not so good BostonBrownTown.

I dunno wtf im going to do, my motivation and energy has been at all time low since the bupe bings 6 days ago left my system, today i could barely be arsed to move let alone do anything productive.

I found a tub with about 2 tablespoons of poppy pod powder in it. Id had enough of feeling like shit, so i had 1 tablespoonfull earlier on, and how nice did that feel. Figuring its best to prevent another relapse im just finishing the remainder off now.

I dont know wtf im going to do if i dont get a job soon, I'll have to start ebaying everything, downgrading everything ive upgraded, maybe sell my house, and find somewhere to rent where the interest from the house sale covers the rent, bills and living expenses. Might have to move to a poorer country to do that. Its an absolute bastard trying to quit opis it robs you of all energy, motivation, ideas, inintiative, everything. I wonder how long it takes for all this to start recovering.

Its only with the aid of this powder that ive been able to order everything I'll need for the next month, and got thoroughly cracking on the washing up too. Ive also felt so much warmer today, been freezing for the last few days. It seems to be true that opiates keep you warm. I sometimes wonder if its worth all this lethargy to give up opis, i hate being chained to anything, but how fucking long does it take to get over this ?

Hopefully my masterplan will come into play tonight, ive got 95 % of my dirty dishes from the kitchen soaking in that 99.9 % germ killer stuff. Hoping for a huge energy boost in the next hour or two to get all that blitzed and all the spare stuff is going into storage, and im just keeping the bare minimum in use; 1 plate, 1 bowl etc. This will prevent washing up mountains building up all the time.

I wish I knew the answer to the question about motivation, I guess I have to give time, time. My timing in terms of the time of year to quit could absolutelty not have been worse. I didnt plan to be qutting at this time of year, it was all supposed to be over by April or something. Do you re-gain energy by rest and recuparation or forcing yourself out and about to get some excercise, like walk for at least 1 hour per day or something ?

Im not gonna loose my head any more than its allready lost lol, its incerdible, the tea is kicking in and im immediately feeling far more positive about everything. I reckon this dose will see me good for 48 hours, and then back to the fucking grind all over again. I know it's only been 6 days, i need to be more patient, and get things into perspective better.

(almost) ex opi dependant person seeks advice from some sage who has been through this and recovered.
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Well, I don't know about "sage", but I kicked the opie habit seven months ago. I was on morphine for ten yrs, methadone for 12, and suboxone for two...
It took me five try's to get off sub. The WD is ridiculously long. I didn't feel 75% better till six weeks, and I'm still not 100%.
It's not what people want to hear. You have to be prepared for the long haul. The lack of energy and shitty sleep are the longest lasting WD symptoms. Most of the real shittyness is over by three weeks to one month. Three weeks seems to be the norm.
Someone above stated that they'd rather be "fucked fast" than have the long drawn out sub WDs. I think most can't handle the intense SOA WD. Sub WD isn't as painful but it lasts FOREVER...
Hang in there. Any opiate AT ALL will set back your progress. It's a bitch getting free!!!
 
what is the big rush off suboxone? I was w/ my doc. yesterday and we even went over this message board together. I showed him the forums about recovery and whatnot and how we talk about subox dosage, etc. he tells me that subox is actually good for the body when it comes to people like us (users) and by staying on subox you are only turly helping yourself. if you have the insurnace and can afford the scripts, then there is no need/rush to get off the drug. i never understood that. try your best and take the dosage neccessary to get your though that day and make your life happy.

I was actually telling him yesterday how i had made the move down to 12MG and was thinking of going 8MG and he tells me there is no rush and that I am doing it for all the wrong reasons. I was doing great on 16MG so why did I make the drop? I said because I need OFF DRUGS. then he brings up my past and what I've done, etc and how I lived.. now I think to myself.. what is my rush? why do I want OFF this FREE MIRACLE DRUG that has given me life and freedom once again. why?
 
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Of course your suboxone doctor is going to say that, ha. He's the one hawking the shit and profiting from it.
 
ellua said:
I get what you're saying and it does seem counterintuitive, and surely it carries risk, but for me personally I've been so far separated from the using lifestyle for such a long time (no contact with anyone, changed phone#s, no facebook or other social media, etc for 6 years now, plus have had 2 kids in that time), and after being on bupe for 6 years, I'm confident that small doses of something like Vicodin or tramadol wouldn't tempt me over to the darkside again. But for some it might, and in those instances I think they should probably stay on bupe for a while longer anyway, or push through it like you say.
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Good luck. Yea it can be hard with kids.
MDB, I agree that at least suboxone gets you wrong, i'm sweat hot most of the time n most people are freezing cold. When I start exercising I am absolutely dripped in sweat.
Also, MDB, sorry for your troubles. This government are making it hard for everyone the f***** scum. I can't wait until they are replaced.

Sorry mods slightly off topic but onky cause trying to help.
MDB- Are you doing voluntary work? I know you receive no money from it but it looks good on the CV even a few hours a week. Is there a place doing breakfast for homeless where you are? Charity shops are a good way of volunteering. I am thick as shite n got myself a job in the LHB this way (Wales form of Primary Care Trust working for NHS) back in 2008. I understand it's harder now getting work with the recession but it's worth a shot.

Also maybe go to a careers centre n have them check through your CV for you.
Would you think of doing something like going into schools n talking about harm reduction with drugs. Not only would that sort of thing look good on your CV but kids will listen to an ex drug user than say police man.
As for bills phone them up n explain the situation. You'll be surprised at how many will reduce your direct debits (they want to keep you). I had my EON reduced from £81 a month to £58, am only get £350 rather than £550 love2shop vouchers next Christmas so am paying £29 rather than £43 a month. It all adds.

Hope that helps. Sorry if I've spoke out of turn.

Evey
 
dude, its NOT a private Dr. this is a clinic. the guy isnt making a dime off my script. he's 100% NOT ONE OF THOSE DOC's. I've seen them, I've heard them, I've dealt w/ them. we are talking a totally different way to go about this particular treatment. this is a treatment I like my clinic run rather than me go visit a private Dr. and let him put me in charge. guy is my doc, my counselor, my right hand man in recovery. I legit thank this guy each and every way I can. hell, I even piss clean (almost, weed in there) for the dude.
 
BostonBrownTown said:
what is the big rush off suboxone? I was w/ my doc. yesterday and we even went over this message board together. I showed him the forums about recovery and whatnot and how we talk about subox dosage, etc. he tells me that subox is actually good for the body when it comes to people like us (users) and by staying on subox you are only turly helping yourself. if you have the insurnace and can afford the scripts, then there is no need/rush to get off the drug. i never understood that. try your best and take the dosage neccessary to get your though that day and make your life happy.

I was actually telling him yesterday how i had made the move down to 12MG and was thinking of going 8MG and he tells me there is no rush and that I am doing it for all the wrong reasons. I was doing great on 16MG so why did I make the drop? I said because I need OFF DRUGS. then he brings up my past and what I've done, etc and how I lived.. now I think to myself.. what is my rush? why do I want OFF this FREE MIRACLE DRUG that has given me life and freedom once again. why?
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My key worker said similar to this our suboxone is TOTALLY free in Wales so it's not about money as a lot of people on forums suggest. It is a good means of harm reduction n helping a person come to terms with the fact that they have an addiction n what that addiction has done to their life - without having to deal with cravings.

I love suboxone it has saved my life n I'm now the happiest I've been in a long time. I'm doing voluntary work, I've joined a gym, losing weight, getting confidence, part of a recovery group who meet every Thursday, the most friendly n welcoming group I've ever been part of
Evey x
 
Eveleivibe said:
My key worker said similar to this our suboxone is TOTALLY free in Wales so it's not about money as a lot of people on forums suggest. It is a good means of harm reduction n helping a person come to terms with the fact that they have an addiction n what that addiction has done to their life - without having to deal with cravings.

I love suboxone it has saved my life n I'm now the happiest I've been in a long time. I'm doing voluntary work, I've joined a gym, losing weight, getting confidence, part of a recovery group who meet every Thursday, the most friendly n welcoming group I've ever been part of
Evey x
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you sound like me. it has truly saved my life. I OD'd last and then started subox. since that day of sobriety and once I finally got on a REAL SCRIPT from a clinic things could not be better. I am BACK working FULLTIME and WORKING HARD and MAKING MONEY and SAVING MONEY! to see my bank account w/ money blows my mind. to see my friends/family call and not have to worry is great. to feel good about myself and hold my head high is another great feeling. to be able to sit here and write this w/o having to worry what I am going to do at lunch, where I am going to pick up, how will I get money, do I have needles left, where will I shoot, etc. I truly saved my own life by almost taking my own life.

people can say what they want but subox has SAVED MY LIFE and my future. and also saved my relationship w/ my family and friends.
 
I've seen people sing the praises of suboxone over and over...it's fine, if it's working for you NOW, but the longer you stay on it the more it just doesn't work, I my experience. You only need to read the accounts of people who have been on it yrs only to find they start to feel terrible on it. I felt bad on it from the beginning..
Really, I think, methadone is a much better opiate replacer than sub in the long run.
If your committed to be on maintenance for life...meth is the way to go.
 
I've met people at meetings who are running 4+ years and still going strong; people who swear by it and how it has changed their life. everyone sees, hears, acts differently when it comes to certain things. everyones mind will have a different thought patten when it comes to recovery and what that feeling of recovery is. dude, im at the point I WANT TO THINK even w/o the subox I am SOLID but why get rid of it when I know it's right there and its basically free and making me feel/do the best I have in years and years!?


METH is NOT better than sub for life. come on, man. I even "thought about it". how do you figure? sure, we can all said we read and article, or that you've done both, blah blah. but I think the two drugs are NIGHT and DAY w/ the TYPE of people they draw and the way people act. who knows, maybe I am wrong. I know a few methadone guys who are normal as can be and then there are the others; same goes for subox. its all based on your commitment to treatment.
 
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