uncut amphetamine sulphate ("base")

[deano88]

I managed to get hold of a g of uncut base but don't plan on using it for about a month so wanted to know if it will keep that long or will it go funny after a while? I'm gonna store it in a small tin sealed in a bag

 

[deano88]

The thing is I can't store it in fridge/freezer as I'm in shared place so can't really have it hanging around in the freezer so would it be ok just kept in a tin?

I have not actually got the stuff yet but will soon so just going by what I been told and was said to be uncut paste which is sulphate am I right? I've always just called it base lol

 

[deano88]

Ah right well once I get it I will be able to tell you more. I'm only keeping it a month anyway so I'm sure it would be ok but needed to hear from someone who got experience with it as I very rarely have it not usually my thing.

What's it like combined with mdma? Had plenty of experience using mdma but never tried it with base before. Got a rave to go to over Christmas holidays so thought I'd get a bit of base just to give that extra kick

 

[Sammy G]

Why not just dry it out? That way you can snort it, and you also remove some potentially harmful unevaporated solvents.

IME (and that of many others), any talk of amphetamine paste / 'base' losing potency when dried is absolute bunkum - it's only wet because of undried solvents, which suits dealers because they can sell it wet and increase their profits. Hence the refrigeration. Which is not to say that decent speed doesn't often come in that form (some of the best street speed does) but the moisture content has nothing at all to do with purity / potency.

Freebase amphetamine (which I believe Marmalade is confusing it with) is something different entirely, and you're highly unlikely to ever see it on the streets.

 

[knock]

I think chemically speaking base and freebase are essentially the same thing and it's not marmalade that's confused but rather everyone else as they are getting told by their dealers that the moist substance they are receiving is base when in fact it's nothing of the sort.

A case of the phrase "free base" becoming debased.

Amphetamine base is a colourless volatile oil insoluble in water. The most common salt is the sulfate (CAS-60-13-9): a white or off-white powder soluble in water. Illicit products mostly consist of powders.

Freebase or free base refers to the pure basic form of an amine, as opposed to its salt form. The amine is usually an alkaloid natural product. Free base is commonly used in organic chemistry and pharmaceuticals to describe the deprotonated amine form of a compound.

 

[deano88]

Don't really want to snort it I prefer to just have lil dabs thru the night but thanks for the info you have answered my question ya learn suttin new every day; )

As for the combining mdma with base marmalade maybe you just took too much? The most I'll probably have is 2 pills tested around 170 - 200mg with little dabs of phet thru the night no huge doses just something to perk the pill buzz up a bit and prevent that heavy legged feeling at the last part of the event.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

whatever the case IM recent E a gram of paste when dried out is actually much less than a gram once all the solvents or god knows whats in the paste has evaporated. I much prefered the proper strong powder that was doing the rounds in Bristol around 20 years ago, not keen on speed in paste form atall.

 

[Sammy G]

A case of the phrase "free base" becoming debased.

A basic error.

whatever the case IM recent E a gram of paste when dried out is actually much less than a gram once all the solvents or god knows whats in the paste has evaporated. I much prefered the proper strong powder that was doing the rounds in Bristol around 20 years ago, not keen on speed in paste form atall.

Nobody should sell speed in paste form really, but it makes good business sense for various reasons; not least the fact that many people seemingly associate moistness and smell with potency.

 

[Si Dread]

Why not just dry it out? That way you can snort it, and you also remove some potentially harmful unevaporated solvents.

Indeed, why not? Profit? Wet phet weighs more & that's half the reason paste/base appeared in the first place, to make money! Big surprise eh?

Hopefully you're evaporating solvents, but less strong paste is often simply "wet". Water. Nothing thats damp in the speed is worth having, so let it dry out &, if it's only solvent that's evaporated, you should end up with a lump of rock-hard, fucking shit-hot, close-to-pure speed. If you evap only water or some other non-solvent liquid, the resulting lump may well be a little more loose, not rock-fucking-hard.

The paste could be swallowed for effect, but I'd be wary, too easy to take too much & for anyone who doesn't know it, too much speed feels Goddamned awful, most unpleasant. Anxiety/panic attacks, paranoia you name it, it's rough. So using powder scraped from the rock makes dosing a little safer. I'd use teeny, tiny doses nasally until I'd worked out exactly how strong it is, & the reason I never accept offers of lines or dabs when I'm out & about, I have no idea of the strength &, chances are, I'd be mixing it with something I'd already taken. Not wise!

There was a time back in the 90's when most powdered speed was cut with Bi-carb & caster sugar. For those who bombed their speed, this was good news, because the bi-card neutrilises some toxins in phet that damage the stomach lining. So this is the one rare occasion where the cut in drugs is actually good for you! Lol

Dry the shit out & add some Bi-card!

 

[Sammy G]

Thanks knock
re bolded. That's total horseshit. I'll explain why later. but if you use the info knock posted, you should be able to work out why yourself.

Why's it horseshit? In the customer's interests it should be sold as dry as possible. Do you like paying more for less weight? do you like taking the chance of ingesting potentially harmful impurities? Do you like the overpowering smell of cat's piss?

I'll reiterate - I am not saying that damp / oily speed is necessarily poor quality. I am simply saying that the dampness / oiliness is nothing to do with the purity or potency of the product.

Try not to lose your bleedin' rag.

 

[knock]

I suppose it's horseshit if the moistness really is due to the presence of base (the oil) and not just damp (watery/solventy) sulphate.

So the keywords are "if", "it depends", etc :D

 

[Sammy G]

I suppose it's horseshit if the moistness really is due to the presence of base (the oil)

That is indeed a big 'if', and it's usually most definitely not the case.

More 'horseshit' for Marmalade

 

[Si Dread]

it does happen, but it's rare. Most of the time paste is wet coz some fuck has ADDED water & is trying to screw a few extra quid out of his punters. People do know that sometimes dealers will flog paste coz they want the shit off their hands as quick as possible (I could smell paste from the street once, when I went round!) & in those cases, it's of stunning quality even after it's been dried out. So dealers who might be less scrupulous make shit phet wet just to blag it up!

 

[Sammy G]

I wonder if anybody has actually purchased actual (confirmed) freebase? I imagine it'd have to be heavily adulterated in order to be suitable for sale. Let alone consumption.

From this:

The speed I was getting straight from the source for two years, had one thing added to it from it's liquid form, altho they wouldnt tell me what. But it was as close to pure as it could be beyond liquid form.
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I remember getting an ounce of it once that was almost brown. same stuff but had been kept near a radiator, apparently it goes darker the warmer it is. It's potency was the same.

I can only surmise that what you were buying was definitely not freebase. If it were kept near a radiator it'd evaporate in no time at all.

Maybe the chemical that was added was sulphuric acid, meaning you were buying sulphate. In which case the evaporation of any liquid would have no bearing on potency whatsoever.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I wonder if anybody has actually purchased actual (confirmed) freebase? I imagine it'd have to be heavily adulterated in order to be suitable for sale. Let alone consumption. .

the guys i house shared with in Bristol had as near as that. They cut it 50/50 with bicarb. It was still rocket fuel, you only needed a tiny dab at a time.

 

[opiaterock]

When I was in Belgium recently a mate brought over some methamphetamine crystals and some mdma powder both of which had been sitting in his flat for sometime (3-4 months approx.) and not stored correctly... They were in plastic zipped baggies alright I don't know how dry the room they were stored in was. Anyway the meth was still fairly potent althought it wasn't the very top stuff like I had before it was still powerful I was flyin after 2 small bumps - one thing was that it didn't run properly on the foil but I think that this was more likely because of the relatively low quality of the product than of degradation over time

Anyway I think if anything that the MDMA noticeably lost some potency whereas the meth was still very strong but it didn't smoke correctly on tinfoil (didn't try it in a pipe)

also - not trying to encourage drug use but do you guys ever try to get meth instead of normal speed? It's better in every way (ok, maybe not in a HR sense but apart from that)

 

[mydrugbuddy]

doesnt it have a very high addiction potential ? Or is it like MDPV where most 'normal' people can only take it for a limited number of days before they are burnt out ?

 

[opiaterock]

You mean meth MDB?..It is said that is very very addictive but not for me at least, although I have only had three sessions of it in total in my life - I guess I wasn't addicted to H after three smokes either..but, personally with my limited experience I don't see it as very addictive..crack for me is far far more fiendish and 'moreish' than meth, even good quality powdered coke I would think is more addictive.

Now I've never tried MDPV (I actually may have had some if that was the active ingredient in Ocean / Ivory wave when the head shops were open which I read somewhere that it was - in this case it's one of the the most awful paranoia inducing drug I've had the dubious pleasure of being accuqainted with)but I think it takes a special character (i.e. not normal) to become a full blown meth addict...it's not just something that you are casually drawn into - it keeps you awake for DAYS so you would need to buy into the lifestyle of a meth addict I would imagine

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Why not just dry it out? That way you can snort it, and you also remove some potentially harmful unevaporated solvents.

IME (and that of many others), any talk of amphetamine paste / 'base' losing potency when dried is absolute bunkum - it's only wet because of undried solvents, which suits dealers because they can sell it wet and increase their profits. Hence the refrigeration. Which is not to say that decent speed doesn't often come in that form (some of the best street speed does) but the moisture content has nothing at all to do with purity / potency.

Freebase amphetamine (which I believe Marmalade is confusing it with) is something different entirely, and you're highly unlikely to ever see it on the streets.

This. 100% sure of this I've been doing speed on and off years but lately I've bought off almost every top notch source you could find and it is better dry. Nobody is getting freebase amphetamine what you are getting is undried amphetamine sulphate with solvents still in there, it feels cleaner and gives a better effect dry. I am saying this as a dead cert as I tried on different days stuff that was still wet in a capsule and the same amount dried another day the dry is a cleaner effect. I posted something I found from Archive BL in the amphetamine thread.

I wish I hadn't given the last of mine away. Sat tanking 2 bottles of wine now pissed off at the world.

High purity amphetamine sulphate is the best drug out there for me these days. But then I've also realised that my drug use these days is hardly what you'd call recreational. I'm almost self medicating hence my drugs of choice being amphetamine/benzos, I think the alcohol is just out of sheer distain but that's another story.

It makes sense that dealers are going to sell it still wet, and one reason not one of you has picked up on is that when you get sold pure paste you know. Pure sulphate powder I cut mine 50% with dextrose to eek it out and if I hadn't done it myself I'd hardly have noticed the difference by smell/consistency/taste.

You will loose roughly 50% drying paste if it's sold properly as paste, any more and water or something has been added. It is 100% worth drying it off though, and I'd also say sniffing it is a far better ROA than oral too. Horses for courses though.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

You mean meth MDB?..It is said that is very very addictive but not for me at least, although I have only had three sessions of it in total in my life - I guess I wasn't addicted to H after three smokes either..but, personally with my limited experience I don't see it as very addictive..crack for me is far far more fiendish and 'moreish' than meth, even good quality powdered coke I would think is more addictive.

Now I've never tried MDPV (I actually may have had some if that was the active ingredient in Ocean / Ivory wave when the head shops were open which I read somewhere that it was - in this case it's one of the the most awful paranoia inducing drug I've had the dubious pleasure of being accuqainted with)but I think it takes a special character (i.e. not normal) to become a full blown meth addict...it's not just something that you are casually drawn into - it keeps you awake for DAYS so you would need to buy into the lifestyle of a meth addict I would imagine

wow thats a great answer to my question, thank you. Why did you write the stuff about ocean wave in smalll letters ? It was making me feel paranoid lol ?