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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DPT Thread

I was thinking, 4-HO-DPT isn't a very sexy name, and as we do have psilocin and psilacetin, we have metocin and metacetin, miprocin and mipracetin etc etc

Couldn't this one be called diprocin? and the acetate dipracetin.
 
Fagott said:
I was thinking, 4-HO-DPT isn't a very sexy name, and as we do have psilocin and psilacetin, we have metocin and metacetin, miprocin and mipracetin etc etc

Couldn't this one be called diprocin? and the acetate dipracetin.
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I think 4-HO-DET is cometimes called "Ethocin" and 4-HO-DiPT "Iprocin" so logically, 4-HO-DPT would be "Procin"? Apparently it's already a commercial name for at least one pharmaceutical drug. "Propocin" ? Sounds a bit like "proposing"... Of course that would make 4-HO-DMT "Methocin" which could be a little confusing since we have 4-HO-MET = Metocin, but we usually call it "psilocin" so no biggie...

(Replace suffixe -ocin with -acetin for acetates)
4-HO-DMT: Psilocin
4-HO-MET: Metocin
4-HO-MPT: ?
4-HO-MiPT: Miprocin
4-HO-DET: Ethocin
4-HO-EPT: ?
4-HO-EiPT: ?
4-HO-DPT: Propocin?
4-HO-PiPT: ?
4-HO-DiPT: Iprocin

And then there are all combinations with allyl groups. So far, to my knowledge, the only tryptamines commercially available with allyl groups on the amine are n,n-DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and 4-AcO-DALT (Alacetin?).

I don't know if the question marks have ever been made. I know 5-MeO-EiPT is commercially available at the moment, so maybe 4-HO-EiPT is as well. I think Tihkal mentions that when you start going into butyl groups, you get oily things, difficult to crystalise.
 
ZFC said:
I think 4-HO-DET is cometimes called "Ethocin" and 4-HO-DiPT "Iprocin" so logically, 4-HO-DPT would be "Procin"?
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Yes, I was just writting up a lengthy answer when I suddenly realized that you're absolutely right :)

Would have made more sense if the "Di" or "Mono" on the amine had been taken into account from the beginning, but what ever :p

ZFC said:
.....Of course that would make 4-HO-DMT "Methocin" which could be a little confusing since we have 4-HO-MET = Metocin, but we usually call it "psilocin" so no biggie...
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Yes, you´re right, in that these names aren't all completely logical so far. Or rather, it's mostly psilocin and metocin that sticks out as wrong. Strictly speaking metocin should have been Ethmethocin 8)

I think psilocin originates from the native american psilotsin, by the way, which makes it kind of okay.


ZFC said:
(Replace suffixe -ocin with -acetin for acetates)
4-HO-DMT: Psilocin
4-HO-MET: Metocin
4-HO-MPT: ?
4-HO-MiPT: Miprocin
4-HO-DET: Ethocin
4-HO-EPT: ?
4-HO-EiPT: ?
4-HO-DPT: Propocin?
4-HO-PiPT: ?
4-HO-DiPT: Iprocin

And then there are all combinations with allyl groups. So far, to my knowledge, the only tryptamines commercially available with allyl groups on the amine are n,n-DALT, 5-MeO-DALT and 4-AcO-DALT (Alacetin?).

I don't know if the question marks have ever been made. I know 5-MeO-EiPT is commercially available at the moment, so maybe 4-HO-EiPT is as well. I think Tihkal mentions that when you start going into butyl groups, you get oily things, difficult to crystalise.
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No, I´m pretty sure 4-HO-EiPT hasn't been available ever, but 4-HO-MPT was for a short time.

4-AcO-DALT (Alacetin?)......I suppose so :)

but really, it's not up to me to name anything, I just figured that maybe we could all agree on something logical in extension of the other 4-HO/ACO-tryptamines. 4-HO-DPT rolls horribly off the tongue.
 
Alright a user SloMo, brought up an interesting question that might be one to ponder.... How do you guys(psood/Eth/etc.)think this one would do with addition of an MAOI beforehand like with extracted DMT/DPT/etc.? Do you think if an MAOI was taken beforehand, then 4-HO-DPT was simply insufflated which everyone knows is the easiest ROA in technical terms....I know it can't really be "answered" as such, but any worries on that? Obviously as always titrate upwards with the MAOI/insuffing the 4-HO-DPT but it sounds like a viable option to me if say, someone was only planning on ingesting 4-HO-DPT or things that are absolutely known to be MAOI complacent? Hard to word really, but I figure Psood might know what i'm getting at. I'm simply unsure if it's the sort of thing that's simply to risky or might actually be worth a shot since from what I remember people like most MAOI's(reversibles..)and tryps for potentation like 4-AcO/HO-DMT/Mushrooms/DMT/etc.
 
I'm actually more interested with taking orally with an MAOI , although I'm very curious to hear about it if anyone decides to try nasally with MAOI. Is there any consensus if it is active orally at any dose? I tried 30mg orally the first time I tried it just to see if anything would happen and I don't usually snort anything ever but nothing happened after an hour so I snorted 100 mg split into 2 piles 20 mins apart.
I would much rather take it orally even with an MAOI than snort even though it was really not bad at all to put up my nose especially compared to DPT which was caustic as hell to me the one time I tried it.
 
I'm talking anything really, I mean ROA wise, its just in you read this thread there's a telling point. It's seems to either be that you are blown out of the water at low end levels through nearly all ROA's as I was, rare for me as well, or you just don't get much from it, I can't take credit for the idea as Slomo brought it up to me via PM but either way I had to ask ASAP as it was a pretty damn nifty idea in my mind, atleast!
 
It's orally active anyway, IIRC I had 75 mg a year ago and after 1,5 hours another 40 mg. It wasn't overwhelming, but it was tripping.
 
Like I said, I took 50 mg orally once and it was very mild. I did it again with some Rhodiola rosea, which was proved to be a strong MAOI (in vitro!!!) and that resulted in NO EFFECTS whatsoever.
Then 3 times that dose orally without supplement took me by surprise and was really overwhelming.
 
This is what i'm talking about you guys! If you look back many people including Nuke and such have stated similar things. We know its orally active, we know its rectally active(I think psood plugged some at least....), we definitely know its nasally active, and we know its active via IV/IM, what we don't know though, is how an MAOI would effect the dosing range or ROA's. For all we know, a good dose of a reversible MAOI might enable people to be able to take slightly smaller doses of this somewhat rare compound! I know people have used DPT+MAOI's like DMT+an MAOI but haven't heard of anyone venturing into it with this.
 
ZFC said:
Like I said, I took 50 mg orally once and it was very mild. I did it again with some Rhodiola rosea, which was proved to be a strong MAOI (in vitro!!!) and that resulted in NO EFFECTS whatsoever.
Then 3 times that dose orally without supplement took me by surprise and was really overwhelming.
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I'm pretty sure that if you felt nothing, that would mean the dose of the MAOI wasn't high enough either. Because, with a pretty decent dose of an MAOI it should cause some bit of a high.
 
Help?!?! said:
I'm talking anything really, I mean ROA wise, its just in you read this thread there's a telling point. It's seems to either be that you are blown out of the water at low end levels through nearly all ROA's as I was, rare for me as well, or you just don't get much from it, I can't take credit for the idea as Slomo brought it up to me via PM but either way I had to ask ASAP as it was a pretty damn nifty idea in my mind, atleast!
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What you don't want is the sickness that can occur with MAOI and some compounds. Really want to stay away from that, so who wants to be the test subject=D
 
ZFC said:
Like I said, I took 50 mg orally once and it was very mild. I did it again with some Rhodiola rosea, which was proved to be a strong MAOI (in vitro!!!) and that resulted in NO EFFECTS whatsoever.
Then 3 times that dose orally without supplement took me by surprise and was really overwhelming.
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Perhaps the dose response curve doesn't start until a certain point and then it might get steeper than other 4 subs?
 
I don't know about oral with an MAOI, but I'd start with at least my preferred insufflated dose if I were to try it. I don't think it's any riskier than taking MAOIs with other tryptamines. I've taken 3g of ground harmala seeds before IM injecting DPT before just to see what would happen and I didn't notice really any difference at all, if that's any indication. For whatever reason, insufflation is more potent than plugging with 4-ho-DPT. Looking at a recent thread about why ketamine isn't very good plugged in the Neuroscience and Pharmacology Discussion forum, it appears that raising the pH of a ketamine/water solution with an equivalent amount of sodium bicarbonate helps improve absorption rectally such that plugging becomes comparable to insufflation in terms of potency. Perhaps futzing with pH would do the same for 4-ho-DPT, I don't know.

Can anybody comment on whether citric acid is more effective at keeping 4-ho/AcO-DPT in solution than acetic acid at a comparable concentration and pH? Are there any other recommendations for a more effective easily accessible acid to use for this that can be intramuscularly injected?
 
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Once i'm able to grab this one again I certainly would! TBH though i'm a bit weary as that 45mg dose IM really rocked me, and for instance, I really enjoyed IM'ing say 60mgs of MXE and 45mgs DPT, simultaneously. This one was a bit of a weird beast though, which just makes me want it all the more! Interesting though about the MAOI, I was hoping it might make oral dosing easier, as nasal is easy enough and for me really didn't require much material either. This one was such a good add on, it seemed to really flow with other tryps or phens!
 
Xorkoth said:
So I had some 4-HO-DPT today, a single dose as a gift from a friend. I had a really nice evening. The 4-HO-DPT was probably around 32mg snorted (36mg but it stuck to the bag quite a bit). It slowly progressed into a very, very relaxed and lightweight pleasantness. I felt more empathic and sociable. I felt sparkly and alive, hanging out both outside and in.

At about 2 hours or so it hadn't progressed for a while and I found myself wanting. So I decided to try adding 2C-B. So I plugged 10mg, which would ordinarily be quite a light dose for me. Before long, a wonderful state developed. They combined really beautifully. I found myself sitting outside with some freshly grilled food, my eyes closing involuntarily and fluttering from pleasure. I felt like I was wrapped in a warm but refreshing blanket of luxuriousness... the body sensations were wonderful. I felt almost a bit drunk, in the best way; I found myself a bit clumsy and I would occasionally slur. I found myself wanting to snuggle, so I did. I also found myself babbling on every so often, just because it felt good to talk.

Overall, I'd like to acquire some more of this so that I could use it in combination with 2C-B, and try it with others as well. It seemed to really bring out the best in 2C-B, or maybe 2C-B brought out the best in it, even though by itself it was quite subtle (but nice).

Nice experience. :) I think I'll try to write a trip report. Though I've got a lot of other writing to do. But seeing as how it's such an obscure one, I really feel like I should.

I took the 4-HO-DPT at exactly 5:15pm... it's been almost 7 hours and I still feel really nice. I hit the bong a few times throughout, which went very nicely. I've had a bit of a bleary-eyed feeling for a while, like I could fall asleep and feel great doing it, but I'd rather stay up a bit. :)
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What the... I was skimming through this thread and saw that I posted this. I 100% did not remember taking this. Weird...
 
It too bad man, I've only had the fortune of experiencing this truly magnificent tryptamine 3 times! My last trial with this one was the most magical experience I've ever had on any tryptamine ever. Completely unique open eye visuals that was comprised of a giger's alien esque (though translucent green in colour) actually it was sort of like a giger's alien sort of honeycomb structure that covered my entire field of vision for several hours it was almost like a true hallucination rather than the usual open eye visuals. If I moved my head to right to left, the configuration of the honeycomb structure moved as if on a axis point. It was the most vividly realistic visual I've ever experienced. If I focused on the honey comb structure I could see with crystal clarity that thousands of backward scrolling alien characters and barcodes were scrolling across this green translucent "honeycomb" matrix. My girlfriend spent a large portion of the night laughing at me as I kept standing up and reaching out to try to touch it because it just looked so fucking real!!
I will never forget that trip! It has has such a profound effect on me. I've actually been toying with the idea of getting a custom synth of 4-ho-dpt done but it'd be quite the initial investment and I'd never go through 500g. Though I bet I'd see myself going through half that in my lifetime as I'd just be handing it out at every festival. Lol!
 
Did you post a report of this on Erowid? If so I think I've read it. :) If not, someone else experienced a really similar visual distortion from this.
 
How did I just delete that long post ....
Oh well,
I did post it about this trip earlier in this thread. Long and short of what I somehow just deleted. 4-ho-dpt is is so profoundly psychedelic it's just capable of a certain profoundness like 4-aco-dmt while still maintaining the clarity of something like 4-aco-met.
I might be getting more of this as it looks like an on old reliable domestic supplier of mine is opening up shop again and they might be carying it. I will be sure to titrate up from the beginning again since I don't know if the last batch I got is weak or not. But really no research chem has impressed me this much except for maybe MXE. It's that good it's just dose dependend. At the right dose this stuff has the magic of quality LSD. Other 4 subbed trypts just get stronger in intensity but with 4-HO-DPT it seems like there is a threshold at around 50mg insufflated were it becomes magic. ( and my batch may have been weak so you'll all need to star much lower)
But yeah, very unique open and closed eye visuals and probably the most spiritually beautiful headspace I've ever felt except maybeon MXE ( wow what a combo that would be!!!)
I will be sure to report back when/if I can get more of this stuff.
 
Sounds like it has loads of potential. Hopefully by the time I get around to 4-HO-MET the price on this will have come down... one can hope.
 
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