About to order some and i have no scales and don't care, the worst i've ever been on cannibinoids is projectile vomitting, i don't think ug scales are necessary at all just be smart with your substance chuck a few specs in a cig to start off and i do mean literally tip out some noids and gently brush say 8 of the finest little particles into a cig see what happens, can you handle any more after 30 mins? double up.
What happens every time is i end up layering my cigs with powder not giving a shyt and i'm fine you reach this "tolerant" plane especially if you puked after that you can do into some silly doses and hospital isn't in the question.
You realise 25-50 micrograms, a dose at which most of these are active, is pretty much near invisible to the human eye. These *aren't* like your regular cannabinoid. I'll come out and admit it here that while I have a scale, when it comes to cannabinoids like AM-2201 etc (which are still fairly potent, 0.5-1mg dose with no tolerance, few milligrams or more with a higher tolerance) I've eyeballed them, or rather I have a specific stick that is very good at getting within 0.5-1.5mg of AM-2201 on the end every time (tested against my scales) so I rarely bothered to weigh it, and with some cannabinoids and tolerance there's no real need safety wise, you'll have a bad time if you overdo it, maybe throw up or get anxious like you mentioned.
These are different though.Taking a couple milligrams too many of AM-2201 or JWH-018 from bad eyeballing means you're taking maybe 2-3x the dose you wanted if you're low tolerance, or barely altering it if you have tolerance. So yeah you might get too high, "whitey" (as we call it in England) which is where you go pale from low blood pressure, feel sick and anxious, and sometimes throw up. It's nothing serious, just unpleasant. Unless you accidentally take say 10mg of AM-2201 with no tolerance, you're not gonna end up in hospital unless you call up an ambulance because you freak out. (Still, scales should be used with these for 99% of people because a freak out is NOT fun)
The tiniest dot you can take out of a bag of powder will be 0.5-4 milligrams usually depending on how fluffy the powder is, and you can take out 10 dots that look identical and they'll all be different weighs, the human eye can't discern between 10mg and 20mg of powder, nevermind 1mg and 2mg, hence why yes you've puked a few times with regular cannabinoids.
So now if you're eyeballing you will take at least 0.5mg, up to 4mg, maybe even 10mg if you're unlucky and get a clumpy tiny rock that looks like regular powder but has a heavier consistency (had it happen many a time). Now the CHMINACA are mostly active at 50 micrograms. Thats not 10mg, or 4mg, or even the least you'll get 0.5mg, that's 1/10th of that, and that's for a full dose if you don't have a tolerance already.
Taking 2-3mg with no tolerance is 40-60 doses. With AM-2201 for example (I use it because it was one of the more potent cannabinoids until these lot came out, with 0.5mg being enough with low tolerance) even if you fuck up insanely bad at most you're going to take like 10x your intended dose. At 10x the intended dose, there's a risk of seizures (which can kill you, believe it or not), but it's a very small risk, very very small, you're more likely to choke on your own vomit than die from a seizure from accidentally taking 10x the dose of AM-2201, which again, is completely unlikely.
Taking 40x your intended dose of AM-2201, will almost certainly cause you to have strong seizures, you'll be lucky if someone's around to take you to hospital before it's too late, and death is a very real possibility. 60x, good luck with that.
Now these CHMINACAs like I said, if you eyeball, you'll be taking 40-60x the dose like 50-75% of the time. So you've basically got a 50% chance of being fine, and 50% chance of ending up in hospital (if you're lucky enough that someone's around..). These are 10-20x more potent than AM-2201, and 30-40x more potent than JWH-018, and like 250x more potent than JWH-081 for example. With all the existing cannabinoids prior to the CHMINACAs that I can think of (aside from some you can't get on the RC market) other than PB-22 and 5F-PB-22, you'd need to really mess up to end up with seizures, it happens, but not if you're not stupid.
These are not the cannabinoids you've been dealing with though. These are not weed, these are not even JWHs or AMs or AKBs or your previous cannabinoids you're used to, smoking a couple milligrams too much won't mean you're stuck in bed anxious as fuck for half an hour or puking at worst, it'll almost certainly mean seizures and death is a very real, and not unlikely possibility.
Would you be happy to take say 4g of Tramadol with no tolerance? Bearing in mind a normal dose for a healthy adult is 50-200mg, and at 400mg+ many people have seizures? What about 16g or 24g? Taking such a dose would be suicidal and you'd have to have some kind of miracle to live.
Unlike weed and the cannabinoids of the past, even the very potent ones, these are MUCH MUCH more potent and they don't act like your standard cannabinoid, this is in the region of a regular dose producing a full blown trip, shakes and tremors (which mean a seizure is possible) due to the reduction of GABA release, fugue states where you forget everything for up to a day or two and can wonder around and do things on your own, waking up a couple days later in a weird place. This is a very real thing with the extremely potent cannabinoids, at regular doses in sensitive people, and it only takes a few steps over the normal dose to cause these symptoms in a less sensitive person, say 0.2mg (200 micrograms) instead of 50 micrograms.
8 "specs" of the smallest amount you can possibly pick up with any implement, will be several milligrams. One spec is usually 0.5-2mg+, so 8 specs you're looking at a minimum of 80 doses. 80 doses of even the weakest cannabinoids has a very high chance of ending in your death. 80 doses of these more potent ones, well lets just say I'm certain you won't be posting here in a month's time if you go ahead with your idea.
I'm not saying this to be overly cautious or whatever, although it's against harm reduction and such, I'm one of the people who *does* eyeball most cannabinoids, but you cannot eyeball these ones.
even cannabinoids can be dangerous.
