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National love service? (Cure for incels)

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Markomarkh

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This is an idea I’ve had for long time, I wouldn’t say I’m an incel (involuntarily celebrate) but I am love shy and have social anxiety.
But I hear a lot of grief and pain from the incel communities, I don’t believe they are all virgin terrorists, just a modern phenomenon that some men are having problems getting laid or getting girlfriends, we are painted with this lie that the ‘one’ is out there or soulmate or twin flames, if that was true everyone would of found their perfect partner by now, truth is no such thing as perfect partner and not everyone needs a partner or will get a partner and I don’t really believe in monogamy either, I’ve fancied two girls at once in a room years ago ( polyamory) I think marriage has failed too for 60% of the population. What I believe is there are some right partners for you and majority of wrongens and just chat to girls and boys you get on best with rather waiting for the soulmate or perfection because you could be waiting forever! Don’t chase or try making it happen as that’s forced love and always fails, thats why dating sites a majority a failure because you can’t really commercialise love.

The solution to loneliness and incels is a national love service which is 3 old ideas run by the government instead of money paid incentive which ends in a con most the time when it comes to dating. 1. You could have a room where singles meet, chat and have tea coffee together a real dating situation. 2. You could have a room for real sex education, intimacy coach and legalise prostitution in a safe environment to train men to be confident with women. 3. The last option is talking therapy to unravel the bullshit the media has been telling you for years about love and sex and help you think straight about relationships and love. Simple really this could be done in 2020 and beyond.

Maybe I’m being an idealist, I’ll shut up now.

What you think?
 
I would prefer if they did this for older people. I have known older people who spend all day alone in their homes or retirement/nursing homes and they only see nurses who are not nice people.

It does not have to be sex. But human touch, conversations, bringing someone happiness, and laughter.

The incels need to turn off their phones, develop or improve social skills, and go out to places to make friends and meet women, men, or whoever. If they want sex they can go on hook up sites or pay for prostitutes.
 
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JessFR said:
What "incels" need to do is stop blaming other people for their own problems.

I'm not saying you're doing that OP, I'm just speaking of my general experience with people who identify as incel.
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I think most of them are love shy or been rejected too often they give up, a real incel is someone disabled below that can’t perform sex or unable to do anything. If they’ve got healthy organs they can f**k, where there’s a pot there’s a lid? Never give up someone will say yes.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I would prefer if they did this for older people. I have known older people who spend all day alone in their homes or retirement/nursing homes and they only see nurses who are not nice people.

It does not have to be sex. But human touch, conversations, bringing someone happiness, and laughter.

The incels need to turn off their phones, develop or improve social skills, and go out to places to make friends and meet women, men, or whoever. If they want sex they can go on hook up sites or pay for prostitutes.
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I think there's like a "hugging" service. People make money off of cuddling others, something like that.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
I think there's like a "hugging" service. People make money off of cuddling others, something like that.
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In Japan there is that business and apparently it is big business!
How sad that this world has come to this!

I miss the good old days.
There was no such thing as “incels”.

Incels are quite scary. OMG! I had no idea until I met one on the computer and he turned into a nightmare.
I was like what the actual FUCK is happening?!

It got scary.
 
'Incels' are just awkward geeks who cant get laid because they're awkward geeks (I should know because I was one myself, way back in the mists of time before everything had to have a fuckin label). Most people grow out of it in time and realise that rather than being 'loveshy', they were just awkward geeks.

The first step in combatting this issue is admitting that the problem is within oneself rather than blaming life, the universe and everything. The next step is to stop frequenting social media groups that reinforce ones dorkishness and get out into real life. The next is realising that men have always had problems getting laid, it's by no means a modern phenomenon. Finally, obtain a personality (a healthy bank balance often works wonders as well.. ;) )
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
'Incels' are just awkward geeks who cant get laid because they're awkward geeks (I should know because I was one myself, way back in the mists of time before everything had to have a fuckin label). Most people grow out of it in time and realise that rather than being 'loveshy', they were just awkward geeks.

The first step in combatting this issue is admitting that the problem is within oneself rather than blaming life, the universe and everything. The next step is to stop frequenting social media groups that reinforce ones dorkishness and get out into real life. The next is realising that men have always had problems getting laid, it's by no means a modern phenomenon. Finally, obtain a personality (a healthy bank balance often works wonders as well.. ;) )
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Well said! This is exactly right! ^^^

Even good looking women can be loveshy and dorky. It is a phase of life for everyone.
You grow out of it and overcome!

Not go around wanting to hurt women about it. As if we are the enemy.

Good grief!
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
'Incels' are just awkward geeks who cant get laid because they're awkward geeks (I should know because I was one myself, way back in the mists of time before everything had to have a fuckin label). Most people grow out of it in time and realise that rather than being 'loveshy', they were just awkward geeks.

The first step in combatting this issue is admitting that the problem is within oneself rather than blaming life, the universe and everything. The next step is to stop frequenting social media groups that reinforce ones dorkishness and get out into real life. The next is realising that men have always had problems getting laid, it's by no means a modern phenomenon. Finally, obtain a personality (a healthy bank balance often works wonders as well.. ;) )
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QFT.

A "like" wasn't enough.
 
Another thing to remember for 'incels', is that people develop at different rates. A frustrated 18 year old watching all his mates getting the action he craves, often finds that by his early 20s he has suddenly become 'hot' while his mates all have pot bellies and receding hairlines. Everything comes to he who waits...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
'Incels' are just awkward geeks who cant get laid because they're awkward geeks (I should know because I was one myself, way back in the mists of time before everything had to have a fuckin label). Most people grow out of it in time and realise that rather than being 'loveshy', they were just awkward geeks.

The first step in combatting this issue is admitting that the problem is within oneself rather than blaming life, the universe and everything. The next step is to stop frequenting social media groups that reinforce ones dorkishness and get out into real life. The next is realising that men have always had problems getting laid, it's by no means a modern phenomenon. Finally, obtain a personality (a healthy bank balance often works wonders as well.. ;) )
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tell that to the Japanese who are experiencing a whole generation who isn't marrying, partnering or reproducing. They must be all be awkward nerds with no money.
 
I think i sympathize with these guys as it must be rough, but im a cancer with deep empathy and a good imagination.
 
Markomarkh, I'm mostly with you on this. I am not really an "incel", I've had one 8-year long relationship by accident and sex on a bunch of occasions yet I a) deeply hate the whole dating "game" b) feel with all of you who are uncomfortable with that life competition that masks what it's really about c) don't know how to get laid, was mostly a sky-high disinhibited me getting laid by girls- this happens too, btw but I guess I am lucky not to look that bad even though I thought to be ugly most of my youth- thanks "alpha" males (those not really are- the real alpha doesn't need to build himself onto others) d) feel the way we live relationships and sexuality today is more fueling aggression and destroying peace than anything else and ... yay, my English isn't well enough to express this sensible topic.

It tears us apart instead of making us feel as one as we are. I'm a hell of an empathic guy but still the girls want assholes. Fuck that.
 
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I find it kinda funny that any time I Google "incel". The kinda people I find are people I'm disgusted by.

In short, never in a million years would I want a relationship with them.

Soo, they could well be right that women have a strong aversion to them. I certainly do. They just don't realize that it's because most right thinking people would probably feel a strong aversion to them.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that just by having trouble finding someone, or not having sex in spite of wanting to, makes you one of the people I'm describing above, not at all.

But, imagining if I were a man in that position, I can't imagine that I'd ever want to associate with the label "incel" either.
 
You also don't really reply to the people before you but just brag out your opinion what? :) Peace
 
dopamimetic said:
Markomarkh, I'm mostly with you on this. I am not really an "incel", I've had one 8-year long relationship by accident and sex on a bunch of occasions yet I a) deeply hate the whole dating "game" b) feel with all of you who are uncomfortable with that life competition that masks what it's really about c) don't know how to get laid, was mostly a sky-high disinhibited me getting laid by girls- this happens too, btw but I guess I am lucky not to look that bad even though I thought to be ugly most of my youth- thanks "alpha" males (those not really are- the real alpha doesn't need to build himself onto others) d) feel the way we live relationships and sexuality today is more fueling aggression and destroying peace than anything else and ... yay, my English isn't well enough to express this sensible topic.

It tears us apart instead of making us feel as one as we are. I'm a hell of an empathic guy but still the girls want assholes. Fuck that.
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All girls do NOT want assholes! I do not understand women like that and those types piss me off. If you know he's a jerk when you get with him, don't come whining about it when he treats you like shit.

I think the biggest problem for guys like that is they are involuntarily celibate, I suppose. They want to get laid, but can't. I love being celibate because people play too many games and relationships are too much work/energy at this point. It's different and better feeling when you're celibate by choice. So I feel for them if they can't get laid, but don't be a douche about it.
 
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there's already a market for this stuff, prostitution, escorts, and stuff like being able to hire cuddle buddies and someone to hang out with, etc

none of this would "cure" incels though because incels' problem is themselves refusing to accept that women are people with self-sovereignty and boundaries and so forth, and incels don't want a partner - they see women as property or as a means to an end. and also while they bitch nonstop about not being able to get laid, they also hate sex workers and consider them even less than their already-low opinion of women
 
Ok, I guess I don't get the "incel" stuff completely. To me we are one, divorced by sexes and society. There is no such stuff like one being inferior to the other- then people go get a hefty trip and reflect :)
 
Part of the problem with both "incels" and playing a different variation of the tune "asexuals" is this baked-in assumption that well adjusted people are having promiscuous (corrolary: meaningless) sex all the time. Protip: they aren't. The worldview seems to be predicated on teen movies and pornography.
 
Yay, people think other people are having much more sex than they are having.
 
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