your rights at work

[wazza]

here's a few tips if you're scared of being fired:

* DONT BE A FUCKING SOOK
* DONT BE LAZY
* DONT BE INCOMPETENT

and you will have nothing to fear from the new IR laws

now that's plain and simple.

Don't forget to add : * DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT THAT MAY REQUIRE SECONDARY SURGERY LATER DOWN THE TRACK AND TELL YOUR BOSS ABOUT IT TO BE KIND TO THEM SO THEY CAN SACK YOU THE DAY BEFORE YOU FIND OUT THAT SAID POTENTIAL SURGERY MAY HAVE A CHANCE OF HEALING YOU OR A CHANCE OF MAIMING YOU FOR LIFE




At least that ended up in court and I won. Too bad an ex friend/housemate did something and lied in a stat dec so my monies won would not interfere with her current job at same workplace that she quit a few months later anyway. I won enough $$ not to worry to look for work for hmm, 2-3 years instead of 20-30 years. Oh well, shit happens and 7 months later, still not working (LOOOOOOONG HOLIDAYS ROCK! Forget the pain, I'm trying to ) and able to sleep whenever/wake up whenever/play games anytime I want (except for 3 hrs a week due to needed physio) and generally seeing why it sucks "chasing the $$$ dream and working for the man". I'm on a lot less pay, in pain 24/7 with 200-280 mg a day of oxycontin barely relieving the pain but hey, I AM HAPPIER overall. I think I have gained a few years if I die from a natural death due to realising (properly) that who needs fucking stress EVER at all. Life goes on with or without you, so be happy as you can be

Don't know why people find joy in (trying to) stomp over others, guess it's their "little man syndrome" because they suck in "real life"


I've realised when I do go back to work, no idea if it's this or next year OR possibly 2009?? I'll be looking at a corporate workplace. I had lived a false reality in thinking working in small business world would be nicer as you weren't working for "a capitalist company" (blah blah blah yada yada yada) and working for a human being. ALL the small business companies (less than 20 employees) had owners who were meaner than an angry bull and stomped on every employee they had just to fatten their own wallets.

All my good friends who do same stuff as I do (linux networking to sum it up in BASIC terms) who are working for big employers (pharm drug companies with staff of 5000+ for one) are LOVING their work and LOVE being flown to other countries for training (which meant staying in first class hotels, drinking with other employees from over the world nightly, finding out a UK worker is a coke dealer and had friends locally to get great free coke without costing my mate a red cent) has opened up my eyes a bit and realised big corporate companies are not always bad.

I'm only typing this as a "matter of fact" feeling and no rant/whinging type feelings at all, in fact I'm giggling at the stuff I'm typing about.


Not a bad short "add one more clause" eh Vale? I think we'd get on like a house on fire from reading your posts, we both have a fuckload in common it seems


I might be in physical pain atm but I'm all

WINNERS ARE GRINNERS! And my latest photo =>

 

[Bent Mk2]

If you understood industrial relations,and work choices, you would realise that the federal government has introduced changes that weakens unions power to represent workers.Thus,in many workplaces it has been made pointless to join a union(people even opting out of the union.

What an absolute load of crap. 12 months ago unions were saying everyone would join and stand together. Now once again they're proven wrong and they blame the very thing that they said would help them.

The unions have spent well in excess of $20 million on TV advertising alone in the last year to impress upon the nation how important it is to fight these new laws. Posters litter the streets encouraging people to sign up and fight the good fight. The doors of the MCG were thrown open.

Polls apparently tell us everyone's against these new laws, and we're all adversely affected, and yet when it comes down to one very simple act of showing your support and joining a union to fight, it seems no one is prepared to do it. Indeed even less than before all the fuss.

Now I've got mates who religiously sign up as paid members of Collingwood every year, knowing full well it'll do them no good...and yet they show their support. And yet, all these people who's jobs are apparently on the line can't be bothered to sign up for a union (even when I'd assume the fees are tax deduction??)

Sorry, I don't for a moment believe you can blame failing union numbers on weakened stance of unions under the new laws. If something personally effects me I'll stand and shout about it from the rooftops. I'd pay my fees and march when I had to march, regardless of whether or not that money was going to do me any good.

 

[Wacky]

Sorry, I don't for a moment believe you can blame failing union numbers on weakened stance of unions under the new laws. If something personally effects me I'll stand and shout about it from the rooftops. I'd pay my fees and march when I had to march, regardless of whether or not that money was going to do me any good.

Sadly,many people out there are too scared to stand up,when they feel taking a stand could screw them more at work(Even though they are being screwed anyway.),and cost them there job.Everyone,is NOT that brave.I've seen from experience.

You also,can't compare your job to joining a football club.It does NOT take guts to join a fun footclub.While some people don't have the guts to stand up for themselves.

Also,people that get a new job may NOT have the option to join a union,given a take it or leave it AWA agreement.While employees previously there were given the option.

Take a look at the changes.Union power has been weakened.

 

[Wacky]

here's a few tips if you're scared of being fired:

* DONT BE A FUCKING SOOK
* DONT BE LAZY
* DONT BE INCOMPETENT

and you will have nothing to fear from the new IR laws

now that's plain and simple.

Yes,the world is that black and white 8)

Let's NOT forget don't stand up for yourself, when you work with a company that has less than 100 workers,you refuse to work unpaid overtime,can't work a shift because of lack of notice,etc,etc... and be exploited.

Whose fault is it you have no skills?

Goto school, goto TAFE, goto University, join the Military and learn a trade, do an apprenticeship, get work experience!

There is no excuse whatsoever for any Australian to be unskilled. If you have no skills, you have only yourself to blame and don't dare play the poverty card because poverty do not exist in Australia, lack of education do not exist in Australia, only LAZY people & communists have anything to fear from WorkChoices

Everyone is NOT cut out for further education,they don't have the learning capacity and smarts to learn more than basic skills,there strengths lay else where.Because of this they should be treated with some human dignity and fairness.They should NOT be exploited because of it.They are contributing to the success of the company, so they should benefit from this.

 

[Wacky]

No matter who you are, even if you cannot be unfairly fired like me, there is still much that can be taken from you due directly from workchoices.

Not to mention the bullying tactics that are not only allowed but encouraged by such laws.


I don't presume to know or care about what business you are in. These issues are blanketed onto all industries, and the negative effects infinitely far outweigh any positive ones.

Well said .

 

[L2R]

With respect it's just as likely Aisha Stars boyfriend sucks at his job. He may not, but some chick posting on the internet about how great her partner is and how unfair the world has become bears about as much weight as my left testicle at a breast cancer convention ~

All this indicates is your biased and extremely close eyed views on the matter. You enjoying that ignorance you're so proud of?

Getting fired is worse than unnecessary death?

If your business is life or death and the action of an employee causes a death of another then they were not performing to standard.
What you can't seem to get is that in many cases, people are being sacked even though they are performing at least adequately at their jobs.

 

[L2R]

Everyone is NOT cut out for further education,they don't have the learning capacity and smarts to learn more than basic skills,there strengths lay else where.Because of this they should be treated with some human dignity and fairness.They should NOT be exploited because of it.They are contributing to the success of the company, so they should benefit from this.

Skills aside, earlier you mentioned bargaining power. No one, and i mean no one, can stand against the bullying seen in business these days alone.

Unions are still very fucking relevant and necessary, and anyone who proclaims otherwise is likely using such bullying tactics themselves.

 

[Aishas Star]

With respect it's just as likely Aisha Stars boyfriend sucks at his job. He may not, but some chick posting on the internet about how great her partner is and how unfair the world has become bears about as much weight as my left testicle at a breast cancer convention ~



Getting fired is worse than unnecessary death?

Seriously... your an idiot. Sif not believe everything you read on BL

If I cared more i'd put up the monthly stats from his job so you could see whos number 1 on the sales team.. but I dont.

 

[ValeTudo]

You're right i probably am biased, i admit i have little experience as an actual employee but at the end of the day small businesses have to be sustainable, they require the best people to grow & contribute to the economy and shouldn't have to employ people who are "just adequate"

Clearly your quite emotional about the subject but try and be a bit objective here.. am i really the biased one?

Aishas star .. seriously, if i, or any male, got fired for whatever reason, would he tell the mrs? fuck no, id blame John howard .. dont take personally, just a random example, no need for name calling

That said you all raise some interesting point & i am probably missing the bigger picture but realistically if just rocking up was criteria for keeping your job we'd be looking at a bleak future

 

[Bent Mk2]

Sadly,many people out there are too scared to stand up,when they feel taking a stand could screw them more at work(Even though they are being screwed anyway.),and cost them there job.Everyone,is NOT that brave.I've seen from experience..

How is renewing your union membership brave step? I'm not even talking about getting new members, unions can't even keep their old members. Bury your head in the sand, blame whatever you'd like, but to me that speaks volumes about the union's relevance and the respect people have for what they say. People are leaving the unions, in what is apparently suppose to be the key time for union support.

Paying union fees doesn't take bravery. You don't have to strike to do it, you don' have to confront your boss. Hell when I had to pay them it just came out of my pay, I didn't even realise.

 

[Aishas Star]

The thing is he could have said anything, he could have just told me that they didnt want to sponsor him anymore, that i'd believe, its still unfair but I could see why.
And as I said above, I have seen the sales records. I know hes doing a good job.

 

[Bent Mk2]

Smart bosses don't fire good workers. Its that simple. Now you say he's a good worker then I'll believe you. Leaves a dumb boss. That has nothing to do with the new laws, if they wanted him gone he'd be gone. May have taken a few more steps, but they would have found a way.

No law, new or old is going to stop bad bosses.

 

[Aishas Star]

Smart bosses don't fire good workers. Its that simple. Now you say he's a good worker then I'll believe you. Leaves a dumb boss. That has nothing to do with the new laws, if they wanted him gone he'd be gone. May have taken a few more steps, but they would have found a way.

No law, new or old is going to stop bad bosses.

No your right they would have, but not just after I have quit my job to study, rented a new house etc. Timing is a bitch, and actually with the old laws he could have sued for unfair dismissal, depending on the way in which they went about sacking him. *if he won or not is another story*

 

[Bent Mk2]

I've definitely got to agree with you, timing is a bitch, that certainly sucks!

But he wouldn't have won, because as dumb as they might be, they're smart where it counts for them, and he would have been out pretty much as quickly. I know because it happened to a good mate of mine years ago.

My ex was also in recruitment, and they knew every quick way around every law so that they could approach business with staffing problems, recommend 'solutions' and then offered their own staff who they could change without reason and without notice if the boss didn't like their hair colour.

 

[L2R]

That said you all raise some interesting point & i am probably missing the bigger picture but realistically if just rocking up was criteria for keeping your job we'd be looking at a bleak future

I'm not talking about lazy cunts. As far as people who don't do their job well, they are accountable for their actions.
My repeated points are in AS's case (as far as she's presented), in that one employee who is doing BETTER than others gets the sack. Can we not agree that under those specific circumstances, the sacking is probably undeserved?

I AM biased and i make no secret that i've been working as the CPSU union delegate looking after my workplace for a few years now. But even still, I help out anyone, member or not, with support in times of need.
Logic and common decency does in most instances prevail, but with these recent policy changes, that has been significantly warped.

No law, new or old is going to stop bad bosses.

True. But with the old laws he would've be adequately paid out to stfu.

 

[Wacky]

No one, and i mean no one, can stand against the bullying seen in business these days alone.

Unions are still very fucking relevant and necessary, and anyone who proclaims otherwise is likely using such bullying tactics themselves.

Totally agree.

 

[chopped_chimp]

My repeated points are in AS's case (as far as she's presented), in that one employee who is doing BETTER than others gets the sack. Can we not agree that under those specific circumstances, the sacking is probably undeserved?

There is WAY more to being a successful employee in a team then just how many units you are selling per month. Fitting in with the team so they work well together, completing paperwork on time and correctly, not receiving dozens of complaints resulting from all the business you're writing up, not stealing other peoples leads/sales, and dozens of other performance indicators come into whether you're doing better than everyone else.

If your boss wants to get rid of you then he has always been able to find a way. However I have never seen anyone get sacked that is good at every facet of his job, including fitting in well with the team.

 

[L2R]

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it is not being done. I understand and agree that there are plenty of performance indicators to ensure success, but that is not what we are talking about.

These laws allow employers to sack people according to their whims rather than any evident lack of performance.

 

[Bent Mk2]

Saw an interesting state quoted the other day, only 1 in 5 workers belong to a Union....and in NSW 1100 workers a week move to AWA agreements and receive an average of a 22% pay increase.

(Apparently they sourced that stat from here

Again I'll ask my original question, where are the masses of people being adversely affected. Yes unfortunately Aishas Star has one case, but IMHO the difference in outcome under the old laws is debatable...and a few other's have put foward 'friends'...but in my mind that many people doesn't justify a $20 +++ million ad spend of union member fees for political purposes (especially when it's clearly wasted money).

EDIT - Just found someone affected - except she got fired by a union!

 

[L2R]

Mate, even I don't wholeheartedly trust the Union I represent, but that doesn't discount the potential and actual problems caused as a direct result of these laws.