Your opinion: OC the same as dope?

[MzAnthroP]

To me the route of administration is what makes the difference.

To me, if you're snorting OC you should just be snorting dope. The withdrawl is going to be similar to OC if not slightly more comfortable and over with sooner. In that respect I consider the two interchangeable (although I personally prefer dope)

I'd wager that the majority of OC abusers don't IV it, though, while most people who are abusing to heroin probably do.

IV heroin is 'worse' than oral/nasal OC
but IV OC is 'worse' than IV heroin.

Again, just my opinion. Society in general seems to consider heroin more 'hard' than OC, but I think one is just as bad as the other, unless you're talking injection.



Veering off topic;

Its like fuckin smokin shwag nug everyday and not smokin good shit when you can get it for cheaper, simple as that...

Are you saying heroin is the schwag of opiates?

if you want to compare the drugs to weed, I'd say OC is like paying $60 an eighth that weighs 3.1 from some stupid high schooler when you could go to your professional drug dealer in the city that ALWAYS has it for $40 an eighth. Now, the dope from your nearest major city might not be as potent as OC gram for gram, but around here (just west of Baltimore) it probably is. Around 695, in my opinion, if you're addicted to opiates, you might as well be addicted to dope. It's always cheaper, always available, the quality is almost always good, and you can shoot it without coughing up blood.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

Veering off topic;

Its like fuckin smokin shwag nug everyday and not smokin good shit when you can get it for cheaper, simple as that...

Are you saying heroin is the schwag of opiates?

What he's saying is that taking OC is like smoking expensive shwag when you could be smoking good shit (Heroin) for cheaper!

I'm in the UK and sadly OC's not prescribed any where near as much here as it is in the US. (Yes it's prescribed here, fentanyl patches are too, I was talking to my pharmacist the other day where I get my MMT)

Anyway to my point, I like to buy methadone (Liquid form 1mg/1ml) to get high, since it's cheaper then dope and about as strong, but sadly there isn't any of that "I don't give a shit!" feeling, like there is on dia'!


Off topic:

Heroin is worse then OC to fuck around with because for some reason, H fucks with you. H is so powerful that if i do it like 4-5 days in a row, ill go through 2X as bad as withdrawls as if I did OC the same amount of days, physical and mental. And H kinda fucks with your receptors so you cant go back to the other lower class opiates you like, and your tolerance for some reason will never be what it used to be after using H several times.

OCJunky this is just you. You shouldn't be going through withdrawl after only 4-5 days use of either H or OC. It sounds as if it's pyschosomatic!
And H doesn't fuck with your receptors that bad that you can't go back to the lower class opiates.

I strangely can still get high on codeine and, if I take about 400mg!

 

[OCjunky]

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yeah maybe it is just me, but i feel just more dope sick of H then oxy. But im talking IV if that even makes a difference. Maybe its all in my head

Damn this thread is makin me crave some big harry right now....

EDIT: Im high on oxy right now and im noticing something missing in the high, its like there is a certain emptyness, but that emptyness is filled with hydro and its filled when i do H. I just feel kind of " weird " on Oxy. But i got a script for the fuck of it cause people were talkin so much hype on OC, but nontheless its still a nice little opioid for sure, not dissin it or anything...

 

[equip`d]

IMO OC is a LOT less addictive than dope. I say this because personally, whenever I have some black tar - I always end up smoking/snorting it all within a day. But on the other hand, when I had some OC's, I used to watch my dosage because I knew that taking one more pill would get me closer to withdrawl motel. So i guess it all boils down to how much of each i got. As far as the highs go, I opt for H when im kicking it at home and kno i aint going anywhere. And i take OC's for the biches i take out on dates (or at least I did). now I just stick to Hydrocodone, like OCJunky (WASSUP MAN?) does.

 

[wastedwalrus]

I think the two are pretty distinct, and not just regarding price or availability. For instance, oxy (when insufflated) provides me with what could be considered a "rush" for about an hour and a half. It's a difficult sensation to describe but I'm sure most people know what I'm talking about. However, with heroin, there really is no rush, but instead a smooth, mellow opiate warmth. Also, I rarely get decent nods with oxy whereas nodding seems inevitable on smack. The durations of the highs vary as well... oxy seems to be much shorter than H in my experience.

It is true that a lot of people do oc yet avoid H because of the stygma. I personally feel this is absurd and, so long as there's no needle involved, a user runs just as much of a risk with oscar as he does with heroin.

 

[big T]

in Canada here its almost impossible to find good H or any H for that matter.... OC'S and D's and M's are easy and cheap to get..

when im about to snap any of the mentioned will do.

 

[DexterMeth]

Lacey, i think the reason you can't control your dope habit vs. OC moderation is simple.... With dope you can ALWAYS get as high as you want, even with the biggest tolerance on the block..you just have to use more. With OC's, you stop getting high after a certain level according to your own body chemistry. Haven't you noticed this? So you always end up stopping use, just so you can taper down and feel the glow again? Right?
That's just my take on it...aside from what Abraxus said.

 

[flashbit3205]

OC is more stimulating for me, i never caught a nod unless i did WAYYY too much then i just got sick.. i could catch a nod off H and feel amazing and never get sick.. i only got really sick off H when i did like 10 bags in a short amount of time, and i threw up and was fine after that i got such a blood rush to my head it was great

 

[phr]

"IV heroin is 'worse' than oral/nasal OC
but IV OC is 'worse' than IV heroin."

Wtf are you talking about?


I'm not sure what you mean by just as bad to "fuck with." Any drug could be bad to "fuck with". If it means what I think it means, then you should be comparing different types of drugs. For example, is coke just as bad to fuck with as opiates?

Anyway, I think if heavy opiate users had a chance to choose either between OC or h(price and quality not a factor) the heavy majority would choose smack, hands down.

I find an oc high to be more synthetic, "manufactured", speedy, and hollow. If that makes sense to anybody. I'm talking bumping here. I've never iv'ed oxy, but I'm sure it can't compare to how good banging h feels.

Another thing I didn't like about oxy is the amount of fucking powder you have to put up your nose, especially if you have a tolerance. Also, for me my oxy tolerance would rise much more quicker than my heroin tolerance. Anyone else notice this?

I don't know why you could control your oc use, but not your h. I think its all psychological though. For example, you may be associating bad experiences(addiction, od, etc) with h. If you really try, I'm sure you control your h use as you do your oxy.

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

i dont think heroin is no more addictive than any other opiate,its the user ,really bugs me that people are like man dont fuck with H man ...


and people now are like man you need to get off that shit...people dont even know that heroin is a transport for morphine to get it across the BBB quicker

but pills are better around my area ,just amazin to watch really

 

[bmoredope]

OK, dont even start the oxy vs hydro shit in here, theres already a thread for that.

This aint "whats your preference, OC or heroin?"

I think its pretty clear from what i said in the thread that this aint "what one do you prefer" but im asking:



To YOU personally, is OC just as bad to fuck with as heroin?

Do you say, fuck it, Im doin OC i might as well just be doing heroin because theyre basically the same anyways?

Do you believe that heroin is the devil, or somethin just as bad, but OC is somehow safer/better/less addictive cuz it aint heroin?


Hope that clears it up

I ask cuz ive had a lot of peeps say to me "why the fuck dont you just do diesel? i dont get it. you do mad OC, but you absolutely refuse to even touch dope, what is the deal with that? OC is just as bad, it aint like youre less likely to get addicted or some shit just cuz it aint "the big H" youre just bein stupid about heroin."

Im like nah son....and give the explanation i gave at the beginning of the thread

Im wonderin if its like that for anyone else but me , also

I would say that OC is not nearly as bad to fuck with as heroin. As a user who started out using percs and vic's and eventually moved to OC's then moved to Heroin I can say 100 percent that dope is way worse to fuck with. And I think the majority of people here will agree with me. When I used to fuck with OC's and shit I wasn't nearly as bad as when I began to IV dope. First of all OC's were like 40 bucks for an 80 and I couldn't really find them in large quantities. Maybe 4-5 at a time tops which obviously costs 160-200 bucks. For that same amount I can buy almost a gram and a half of dope which will get me way more fucked up.

Now, also most of you addicts or ex addicts have to admit that dope just seems to have a stronger grasp over the average person than OC. I never pawned or stole anything when I was using OC, however I have done exactly that so many times when fiending for dope. That could also be because I was never addicted to OC whereas I was addicted to dope. Also, like someone mentioned, I didn't have to drive to west baltimore and risk getting hemmed up to get some OC's. I normally found them through my white friends. Obviously that is much easier, because as a white boy driving around in west baltimore, you are much more likely to get pulled over by Bmore PD. All the cops know why you are there, not many white people live in that area, and none live their who drive nice cars. I have been pulled over numerous times for simply being white.

Now with regard to your question "are they basically the same anyways?", I would have to say yes. Chemically they are both extremely addictive and will cause horrible withdrawals no matter which you are detoxing from. There has been many times when my friends have asked me to get them OC's and I simply got some H and told them it was OC. They did it without thinking twice and could not tell the difference. So in that aspect I would say they are interchangeable to a beginner type user. Obviously I had to make up some bullshit that I got the OC's in powder form because of some BS. Eventually I told them it was indeed heroin and they didn't really get that upset. I think it actually opened their eyes and realized that heroin is simply looked down on more because its...well....heroin. People feel safer thinking that they are using a pill because more people in our society view pills as less hardcore and basically stereotype heroin users as homeless junkies who would share a needle with an AIDs infected person if it was the only way they could get high. I disagree with that because I have been IV'ing dope for over a year. I'm not addicted right now, but I have been for close to 7 months at one point in my life. Right now I'm on suboxone maint. so I can take that whenever I need and skip a dose if I'm planning on getting high that evening.

Anyway, I'm planning on getting high a couple more times and then calling it quits. It's simply not worth the risks. My career would be seriously jeopardized if i were to catch a heroin possession charge. I'm planning on staying on suboxone maint. for a few more weeks and then reverting back to other social drugs. Once my tolerance lowers I will probably mess with percs and OC's again from time to time, but I will never let myself get back to the hardcore usage. It ruins lives and it only ends in two things --- Getting locked up or dying. I personally don't want to experience either of those so that really only leaves me with one choice.


Quitting!



Peace!

 

[hydroqueen]

i am a pill-head, never tried H too many times. I think i tried it like 10 years ago, and it made me puke, but then again i was an opiate virgin then.....
You guys, got me thinkin' over here. Thankfully i don't spend any $$ on OC or percs....but if i DID spend that kind of money i am sure H would be lookin nicer.
I can't afford to "nod", i have too many kiddies running around. I prefer the speediness that OC gives, God knows i need as much energy as i can get these days.8(
H sure sounds nice though....that feeling you guys describe, sounds like a nice get-away to me. I have a hard enough time with the pillz though. They've fucked with me in a way i never thought possible....and i've been addicted to coke, booze, and pot....but the pillz are gripping. And i HATE being dope sick, i can't imagine how sick H would make ya. I can't go there at my old age of 37
I love pillz and pot, those two combined take me to a real nice speedy place, where i can still function. LIke i said, i have a hard enough time finding an endless supply of pillz, i wouldn't want to be driving my SUV in a bad part of town trying to find some dope. It just doesn't seem right for a mother to be doing stuff like that!
With that said, i am hands down an OC junkie!, which by the way i am all out of, so percs it is for Easter. Which is fine by me, i just popped 4 of them with a cup of coffee,,,,mmmmmmmmm---Gooooood Morning!~

 

[Rambozo]

I prefer OC because it's not a street drug. Also, I don't inject. If I did, I'm sure I would prefer IV heroin over IV Oxy. Don't get me wrong, I love heroin too but it is problematic for me as well.

I just like the fact that when I do OC, I know that it is what it is. Whereas, heroin could have any kind of cut in it - you don't really know what you're getting.

Also, I like that OC is a consistent quality... you don't have the chance of getting a bad bag/vial/whatever that's cut to shit. OC is always the same potency where dope is not... which is also safer to me so I know how much to dose, etc.

Plus, I'm just a pill-head motherfucker.

 

[Rambozo]

Also, like the above poster stated - I think I can function more on OC than heroin which is important since I have a good job and work all the time, etc.

 

[phr]

I would say that OC is not nearly as bad to fuck with as heroin. As a user who started out using percs and vic's and eventually moved to OC's then moved to Heroin I can say 100 percent that dope is way worse to fuck with. And I think the majority of people here will agree with me. When I used to fuck with OC's and shit I wasn't nearly as bad as when I began to IV dope.

I think a main reason a lot of people think h is worse than oc is because of the above said cycle. People start off their opiate honeymoon with percs, vikes, and oxy. Everything is going great and they're having the time of their life. Soon though, tolerance and dependence rears its ugly head. That 80mg oxy or 40mgs of hydrocodone doesn't satisfy anymore. They become desperate and move onto something more potent and cheaper: heroin. Their opiate addiction starts to spiral out of control, whilst using heroin.
In their head, most think, "Shit, I was fine until I started using heroin." Which I don't believe is the case. They were fine until their use got out of control. That's when the shit hit the fan. Any takers on this theory?

 

[drunken_etard]

i need heroin

 

[OCjunky]

Since i have already had my fun with H, i now just stick to pills because i feel like i can control my usage better. H just gets me into a craze and the feeling to use is uncontrolable..

When i start to go over the amount i can take on my script a day, i stop.

When i get a high tolerance with my pills, I dont go fiending for something that will fuck me up still, like someone said, i used to do that, but then i realized how much of a dumbass and loser i was having a fuckin drug control my life when i could of just quit for a couple days and had it go down ATLEAST half of what i was taking....

Seriously, I mean you gotta have some self control and not be greedy and stupid. When your tolerance gets high on pills, just fuckin stop for 4 days and it will be back down quite considerably (yes it will, dont bash me for this), its fuckin 4 DAYS, like can you seriously not go a couple days without takin a pill? I know its hard as fuck but since i have been applying this rule i have been much happier and been saving a shitload more pill....

 

[Khadijah]

Another thing is that since OC dont give you that total full 100%-not-caring feeling, its easier to notice that youre slippin up with it. with dope you may know youre gettin bad, but you dont care.


And as far as how dope vs OC and the associations with it goes for me, i think of it like this.

Imagine your mom died from choking on Kellogs Corn Flakes cereal. You prolly would still eat corn flakes. BUT, if you were in the store, and theres a couple different brands of corn flakes, including Kellogs, you most likely would pick a different brand than Kellogs, just because of the bad memories it brings that are associated with that. Its still the same cereal, corn, flour, sugar, whatever the hell they put in it, youre still basically eating the cereal that killed your mom, but just that one brand is the one that brings back all the bad shit in your mind.

Does that make any sense, iunno, but thats kinda how i see it. and yea im laughin out loud when i reread the phrase "The cereal that killed your mom" LMFAO :D

 

[johanneschimpo]

^definitely, I agree

H use is harder to control than OC use because when you want some its just a little bit of a powder out of a big bag or (in my case) a little piece off a big chunk of tar, and you'll always be down to use a little more. With OC you have to use a WHOLE pill, or at least cut into one, to use. People are more conscious of how much they are using in this scenario. It's much harder to control your use when its a one unit (a bag H) as opposed to several units (mulpitle OCs). I don't feel like going more in-depth, but I'm sure somebody else feels this way.

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

would heroin be so bad if it still came in pill form like with bayer asperin like way back when


or was still legal ,i think poeple thinkls is bad cause its what is TAUGHT to them!!!! by people