Exhausted Your ideal opiate withdrawal kit

[KraziLadi]

Needing to get clean after a year or so of opiate use. I’m feeling like the last sub binge left me wrecked. Decided I wanna get my shit together and have another kid. Had no clue about the half-life on subs. So after that had some stupid fake 30s w fent. Ok awesome but not for taper. So those are gone. I now have in my “get your shit together arsenal” ..
Tizanidine,
cyclobenzaprine,
1mg xanax (reg rx)
gaba 100 (reg rx),
4meloxicam 7.5 (from a long time ago)
2x hydroxyzine 25mg (also a long time ago)
7x 5mg diazepam,
ambien
Trazadone 50mg
1x 10mg oxy
2x 10mg norcos
Like 6 tramadol
Maybe 10 t3s
Ganj
Kratom
Imodium.

I’ve been taking as little opiate as I can to try to taper down. I made 10mg oxy last 7 hrs today. It wasn’t pleasant at all. Then another ten for 7. I had to take the Xanax which I do on the reg anyway. Same w gabs and also am rx’d adderall 30mg2x/day plus 15 afternoon.
My biggest problem is the RLS at night. I can’t sleep. Took ambien last night and still woke at 230am and had to take muscle relaxers.

what’s the best way to go about this taper?? I did also eat a 10 norco tonight when the headache and stomachs shit kicked on. So. This is what I have left. What’s the wisest way to go about getting off opiates? Will deal w the rest later. One thing at a time. I just don’t wanna sweat my ass off all night, not sleep, and shit my brains out. Also— kid to take care of. Need to be able to function. Less than 2yr old doesn’t understand.

 

[Jabberwocky]

my ideal opioid withdrawal kit:

kratom
benzos
cannabis
loperamide
vitamins
smoothies
forcing myself to do aerobic exercise
some good tv shows/movies to watch
some good support from family/loved ones/friends
strong self will

fuck subs/methadone never been a fan of that shit

Honestly man if I was you just take your last oxy/norco and be done with it. You are going to go thru hell anyways, why tease yourself into it? You are putting your foot into cold water and thinking "this is going to suck". Yes. It is. Jump in! You don't even have enough to taper... if you try to taper I guarantee you you're just going to buy more opioids and relapse.

I pray to god you can take some time off work. Save your benzos for day 2-3. First 48 hours going to suck ass anyways don't waste the benzos. Cyclobenzaprine is great for sleep but tolerance builds fast as fuck. Fuck trazodone throw that in the trash.

Other then that you are already set.

Like I said, stop dipping your toe in and just jump in the cold ass excruciating water. Get it over with. I'm rarely a fan of tapering, it just prolongs the pain.

Good luck.

 

[Deru]

When I finally quit opioids after a decade plus addiciton including IV, the best way to do it is use nothing, honestly. Exercise, eat healthy ass meals, and I mean extremely healthy, and hydrate is all it took. Everything else just prolongs it or makes relapse more likely, in my experience with 1,000+ failed attempts prior to finally succeeding.

 

[Jabberwocky]

When I finally quit opioids after a decade plus addiciton including IV, the best way to do it is use nothing, honestly. Exercise, eat healthy ass meals, and I mean extremely healthy, and hydrate is all it took. Everything else just prolongs it or makes relapse more likely, in my experience with 1,000+ failed attempts prior to finally succeeding.

complete sobriety is arguably always the best way - but requires the most effort - and IN MY OPINION/CASE only works if you want complete sobriety

my last fent withdrawal was the worst withdrawal I've ever been through, and thats because I was trying to go completely sober after ODing and nearly dying

withdrawals lasted well over 2 weeks... but I was just laying in bed all day not eating or drinking or exercising. I was a wreck.

I assumed off OP's post he just wants to get off the opioids not complete sobriety based on his collection of pills

in my own experience once I get off the opioids I stay off them for a long time, but use other drugs as a crutch... so yeah idk OP didn't specify... only times I've been truly sober in the last 17 years were rehab and jail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[KraziLadi]

See, what’s funny is I’ve done this before. And yes, I get feel like I should just get it over w. But I have what I have and I’m gonna use it of course. This is gonna sound crazy but I didn’t know I was even going to have this issue after sub. I was only doing a tiny (32nd of 8mg pill).. but daily. Once I got the fent/oc the wd kicked in 2 days later. I still have a little dose of sub but won’t take it. Took what I did today to get thru. I’d rather taper and have less intense wd than all at once. After i quit the sub and did the oc fent id get wd every 2 hr. RLS is the main prob. I don’t want to shit my pants and I’ve got a kid to take care of. Always been a ‘swap this for that’ type person. It’s always worked.

 

[KraziLadi]

When I finally quit opioids after a decade plus addiciton including IV, the best way to do it is use nothing, honestly. Exercise, eat healthy ass meals, and I mean extremely healthy, and hydrate is all it took. Everything else just prolongs it or makes relapse more likely, in my experience with 1,000+ failed attempts prior to finally succeeding.

Ok so this is what I did when my daughter died. To the extreme. W the exception of the subs and booze n cigs and zanz... ok so I just did a bunch of drugs and did like 6hr of yoga a day but it worked. And my child had died so I justified it w that. But I did eat healthily and do a shit ton of yoga and journaling.

 

[Jabberwocky]

See, what’s funny is I’ve done this before. And yes, I get feel like I should just get it over w. But I have what I have and I’m gonna use it of course. This is gonna sound crazy but I didn’t know I was even going to have this issue after sub. I was only doing a tiny (32nd of 8mg pill).. but daily. Once I got the fent/oc the wd kicked in 2 days later. I still have a little dose of sub but won’t take it. Took what I did today to get thru. I’d rather taper and have less intense wd than all at once. After i quit the sub and did the oc fent id get wd every 2 hr. RLS is the main prob. I don’t want to shit my pants and I’ve got a kid to take care of. Always been a ‘swap this for that’ type person. It’s always worked.

If you have serious responsibilities, like a child, then subs might be the answer. It's up to you brother.

I just hate them because they don't get you high and just keep you hooked. Now the pharmaceutical industry is your dealer....

In my case I do not have a wife or kids so I can afford to just lock myself in a room for a week or two.

 

[KraziLadi]

complete sobriety is arguably always the best way - but requires the most effort - and IN MY OPINION/CASE only works if you want complete sobriety

my last fent withdrawal was the worst withdrawal I've ever been through, and thats because I was trying to go completely sober after ODing and nearly dying

withdrawals lasted well over 2 weeks... but I was just laying in bed all day not eating or drinking or exercising. I was a wreck.

I assumed off OP's post he just wants to get off the opioids not complete sobriety based on his collection of pills

in my own experience once I get off the opioids I stay off them for a long time, but use other drugs as a crutch... so yeah idk OP didn't specify... only times I've been truly sober in the last 17 years were rehab and jail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Exactly this. I’ll deal w the other shit later. Have had a benzo addiction since 16. Now 30. Got of for both pregnancies. First child died. Back on benzos and whatever else honestly. Second pregnancy kicked everything super easy cuz I was so determined to have a baby. Well. Now I want another one. Would like to start trying in a month or so. Need to get my shit straight. I can deal w the Xanax taper and gaba taper(I hope never done that one before but fine on 100mg vs the 900 I was on). I do see a psychiatrist but these other factors are unbeknownst to him.

 

[KraziLadi]

If you have serious responsibilities, like a child, then subs might be the answer. It's up to you brother.

I just hate them because they don't get you high and just keep you hooked. Now the pharmaceutical industry is your dealer....

In my case I do not have a wife or kids so I can afford to just lock myself in a room for a week or two.

Dude the subs caused this problem. I was all good just taking oc whenever and then the subs man the sex is ballin on such a tiny amount of sub. N then the energy i just started doing it daily. Never high. Just felt good. Also I should mention I was supposed to have knee surgery but then the Rona so I started subs after I ran out of pain meds.

 

[Deru]

I assumed off OP's post he just wants to get off the opioids not complete sobriety based on his collection of pills

That's a fair point, if the OP is more interested in just getting through the withdrawals from opioids but not going full on sobriety, then what worked for me probably would be extra short term misery without the big payoff (sobriety.)

I’d rather taper and have less intense wd than all at once.

I agree, all opioids should be tapered down somewhat before finally jumping off, it's that spectrum of what that jumping off point should be. For buprenorphine, even 0.25mg/day is horrible. Buprenorphine was by far the worst opioid I've ever had to withdrawal from.

 

[KraziLadi]

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my ideal opioid withdrawal kit:

kratom
benzos
cannabis
loperamide
vitamins
smoothies
forcing myself to do aerobic exercise
some good tv shows/movies to watch
some good support from family/loved ones/friends
strong self will

fuck subs/methadone never been a fan of that shit

Honestly man if I was you just take your last oxy/norco and be done with it. You are going to go thru hell anyways, why tease yourself into it? You are putting your foot into cold water and thinking "this is going to suck". Yes. It is. Jump in! You don't even have enough to taper... if you try to taper I guarantee you you're just going to buy more opioids and relapse.

I pray to god you can take some time off work. Save your benzos for day 2-3. First 48 hours going to suck ass anyways don't waste the benzos. Cyclobenzaprine is great for sleep but tolerance builds fast as fuck. Fuck trazodone throw that in the trash.

Other then that you are already set.

Like I said, stop dipping your toe in and just jump in the cold ass excruciating water. Get it over with. I'm rarely a fan of tapering, it just prolongs the pain.

Good luck.

I feel this so hard. And I know I am. I just need to pick a day/week and get it done w.

 

[KraziLadi]

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That's a fair point, if the OP is more interested in just getting through the withdrawals from opioids but not going full on sobriety, then what worked for me probably would be extra short term misery without the big payoff (sobriety.)



I agree, all opioids should be tapered down somewhat before finally jumping off, it's that spectrum of what that jumping off point should be. For buprenorphine, even 0.25mg/day is horrible. Buprenorphine was by far the worst opioid I've ever had to withdrawal from.

had no clue it has the half life it does. As soon as the oc would wear off I’d be sick af. Prefer to taper even if that means prolonging the pain. But. HOW DO I SLEEP?!! The ambien didn’t do it the muscle relaxers aren’t keeping me asleep either. I toss and turn and throw my arms and legs and whatever else is on the bed all over just trying to get comfortable. It’s miserable.

 

[Deru]

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had no clue it has the half life it does. As soon as the oc would wear off I’d be sick af. Prefer to taper even if that means prolonging the pain. But. HOW DO I SLEEP?!! The ambien didn’t do it the muscle relaxers aren’t keeping me asleep either. I toss and turn and throw my arms and legs and whatever else is on the bed all over just trying to get comfortable. It’s miserable.

To be honest, the way I had to do it was continue to use full agonist opioids to get through the withdrawals from buprenorphine, and it lasted for months. I doubt I could have been successful coming off buprenorphine any other way, that half-life just makes it never ending misery.

 

[Jabberwocky]

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I feel this so hard. And I know I am. I just need to pick a day/week and get it done w.

well if you're down to 10mg oxy and a few norcos... if I was you I'd just take em all tonight, get drunk and listen to some good music to say goodbye

that's what I'd do

better to go out with a bang (don't OD or some stupid shit), I hope you get what I'm saying

 

[KraziLadi]

complete sobriety is arguably always the best way - but requires the most effort - and IN MY OPINION/CASE only works if you want complete sobriety

my last fent withdrawal was the worst withdrawal I've ever been through, and thats because I was trying to go completely sober after ODing and nearly dying

withdrawals lasted well over 2 weeks... but I was just laying in bed all day not eating or drinking or exercising. I was a wreck.

I assumed off OP's post he just wants to get off the opioids not complete sobriety based on his collection of pills

in my own experience once I get off the opioids I stay off them for a long time, but use other drugs as a crutch... so yeah idk OP didn't specify... only times I've been truly sober in the last 17 years were rehab and jail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I enjoy crutch drugs. But the end goal here is complete sobriety. A lot of the stuff I have is just old scripts. Also have trams and t3s. Forgot to list those. Figured I’d kick the crutches later. Deal w what I have to now.

 

[Deru]

To add to that though, I didn't have the knowledge I do now about how to accurately dose buprenorphine down to 0.1 mg easily using a syringe, so that made it more difficult to taper.

Tramadol saved me from terrible withdrawals on more than one occasion, that's definitely a good one to use short term.

 

[KraziLadi]

To be honest, the way I had to do it was continue to use full agonist opioids to get through the withdrawals from buprenorphine, and it lasted for months. I doubt I could have been successful coming off buprenorphine any other way, that half-life just makes it never ending misery.

Fucking half life. Seriously. That’s what I’m doing. Just wanna get thru the bupe wd they seem the worst.

 

[Jabberwocky]

To add to that though, I didn't have the knowledge I do now about how to accurately dose buprenorphine down to 0.1 mg easily using a syringe, so that made it more difficult to taper.

tapering using a syringe? that sounds rough man fuck

 

[Deru]

tapering using a syringe? that sounds rough man fuck

Well, not injecting it. You dissolve it into water and then you can accurately dose it sublingual by the amount of mL you use. Much easier and more accurate than trying to cut up strips into microscopic pieces anyways. I actually think I learned that from @dopamimetic , I thought it was pretty brilliant.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well, not injecting it. You dissolve it into water and then you can accurately dose it sublingual by the amount of mL you use. Much easier and more accurate than trying to cut up strips into microscopic pieces anyways.

misread you lol xD

I've definitely heard of junkies literally shooting blanks, though... just to get a placebo rush

So glad after 17 years I've never used a needle. I was stubborn even back in the day. Would be in a junkie den everybody shooting up and I'm just snorting heroin water.

I swear I'd be dead if I banged shit. Lost 4 friends to it.