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Your drug downfall?

yoyo50

yoyo50

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I've really been drinkin' Muthafucka, I really bee
Thought id ask this since im sure we've all seen that chart.

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Anyway for me id have to say for me it's Alcohol/GBL, having tried heroin/crack/meth.
 
I'll say that Alcohol, Amps, Ket, GHB, have drawn me in the deepest and/or done me the most harm. Mainly on a cognitive/judgement/happiness level. And by severity of addiction.
 
Cannabis / Mushrooms...havin tried all on the list except GHB (never had the chance) Ketamine & LSD (intentionally turned both down) and Steroids (never interested)
 
What do they figure into the analysis of "harm to others"? Anyone know?

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And isn't it interesting that the 2 drugs that are legal, alcohol and tobacco, cause the most harm to the user itself and to others? Sorry, in the case of alcohol tis is true. In the case of tobacco, it isn't at the top of the list but it certainly beats out a lot of other illegal drugs.
 
WTF is this all about?
Harm caused by drugs? it is all pretty subjective to interpretation
definition of harm?
Harm to others and harm to users?
I may be missing something, but to me that graph means nothing at all
 
Having tried about half the list, alcohol has been the worst consistently for me and for others around me, followed by speed. Never really had a problem with anything else, but I've not done speed in six or seven years bar maybe one or two occasions and it was mostly hard on me, and others to the extent that it made me arsey and hard to get along with.
 
missmeyet? said:
What do they figure into the analysis of "harm to others"? Anyone know?
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full link here

"MOST people would agree that some drugs are worse than others: heroin is probably considered to be more dangerous than marijuana, for instance. Because governments formulate criminal and social policies based upon classifications of harm, a new study published by the Lancet on November 1st makes interesting reading. Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol is the most harmful drug in Britain, scoring 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual. The authors point out that the model's weightings, though based on judgment, were analysed and found to be stable as large changes would be needed to change the overall rankings."

PS the link is nearing 3 years old
 
bunnymunro said:
WTF is this all about?
Harm caused by drugs? it is all pretty subjective to interpretation
definition of harm?
Harm to others and harm to users?
I may be missing something, but to me that graph means nothing at all
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Taken from his paper summary:



Still subjective though like you said and you can't really take much from it from the graphs alone (haven't read through the paper myself)
 
I'm not following the harm to others part either. I see tobacco and cocaine are neck in neck, strange. But the harm to others might be people that are affected via second hand smoke, or how the crackhead spent the grocery money on dope instead of food. :?
 
I doubt that the average drug user takes into account the social costs, economic costs, environmental and community damage, nor family adversities into consideration when purchasing or using.
we are, after all a pretty selfish bunch, and instant gratification is the order of the day..(or maybe there is a whole new topic of discussion in that?)
 
Tobacco for passive cancer & alcohol for the risk to others of being attacked for no reason from a Stella street fighter.

Ecstasy users tend to raise my blood pressure with their never ending talk of how great everyone is & there is nothing more grating than being in a room of coke fiends.
 
all this is relative, causes the most damage to whom? i mean alcohol is right up there generally because its readily available from your nearest shop, socially acceptable ect, tobacco as well i guess...

For me personally ketamine and benzos have came closest to runing "my life" but that is because i was in a bad place and didnt care .
 
I definitely fuck up more on booze, by myself and others (not violent by the way!!) Although blues and opies have put me in a sticky near-morbid situation before :(
 
Ketamine - worst drug for me, will binge till gone no questions asked even if my stomach is in severe agony.
Clonaz - down to last 4mg or so here and ive no k for a few days so trying to knock myself out for most of them till the k. Gonah be fucked if I get withdrawals.
Acid/Psilocin - not a downfall, just too often to get the best I could out of these things.
Weed - do nothing all day, not a downfall love it <3 8)
 
Uncle Robert said:
Taken from his paper summary:



Still subjective though like you said and you can't really take much from it from the graphs alone (haven't read through the paper myself)
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this is evidence based research, it isn't subjective, these are all quantifiable markers.
 
From when they say mephedrone, butane GHB mdma etc.. is safer than cannabis I can't take it seriously. Total bullshit
 
notice cannabis right next to tobacco in that list, I'm sure a lot of the harm relating to cannabis is the use of tobacco by a lot of people in spliffs.

But really, I don't understand why so many people have an issue with this study, it's more reliable than folklore....
 
I guess that Heroin caused me the most harm health-wise, due to not eating and vein damage from IV use. etc.
But alcohol has got me into the most trouble through crimes committed while drunk and a prison sentence.
 
I think drug users like ourselves, and even drug users with a particular affinity for a given drug (a stoner or a weekend MDMA user) are likely to be automatically resistant to any data that suggests that our drug of choice is more harmful than another drug that we perceive to be particularly harmful.

People that smoke a lot of cannabis are sometimes good examples of this (the 'it's herbal, maan' syndrome) and I have definitely been guilty of downplaying the harms of MDMA and Ketamine abuse in the past, until I looked back at my behaviour and presumptions, and realised the many ways in which my beliefs correlated with 'confirmation of existing belief.'

We're given so much propaganda that the real harms of drugs are shrouded in a cloud of bullshit, and this makes us often suspicious of anti-drug information even when it is quantifiable

I've stayed away from the stereotypically 'hard' drugs (heroin/meth/crack) because of my obvious compulsive nature that always lands me in trouble, but personally I have found Ketamine/dissociatives to be the very intensely habit-forming and harmful to physical and psychological health, and also benzos/etizolam.
 
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