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Your +4 Recipes

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What substances have given you a true +4? For me its Ketamine 250mg + IM,or DPT 200mg IM. Combos of either one of the previous or Salvia, 4-ho-dipt, or 4-ho-met mixed with longer lived Psycs during their peak have also worked. No Phen, or even LSD has even gotten me there on their own.

Ket mixed with Psycs IMO is the best mix, anyone have experiance mixing Methoxetamine and other psycs? Does MXE have the same lubricating dissasociation affect that lets you simply slide right into a +4?

Just to be specific for me the +4 experience comes when you are lost in an experience where everything in this reality loses its meaning and you now have a blank slate to work with. Your mind then opens new & often multiple realities for you to fully immerse in. They are as rich as, or richer than this one. I find true awe in the detailed associations that hold together the infinite components of these realities and afterwards feel as if I lived a lifetime while lost in those reality.
 
I have had a +4 experience once. It was my first time taking 3 hits of LSD and my first time combining piracetam with another substance. Needless to say I am glad that I didn't take the pircetam closer to when I took the LSD. It was an amazing experience but I just wish that I could remember it better...
 
Methoxetamine 50mg+, allowed head towards peak followed by 4-aco-dmt 25mg

Very very nice. Oh so pretty.
 
7 grams of mushrooms provided me my favorite ++++ experience. Salvia (3 hits 20x) was my worst. 50-60 mg of vaproised dmt on four hits of lsd also created a very amazing plus four. So yah don't have many full blown plus four experiences, and one was completely terrifying.
 
High dose mescaline. 600mg of the HCl salt put me ... somewhere else :) Other than that, only Ayahuasca has been close, but mescaline just did it better.
 
2.0g of dried mushrooms. No other drugs were ingested.

I'm short and thin, and have a sensitivity to low doses of drugs including LSD, herb, and mushrooms so YMMV.
 
hmm
maybe 35mg 2c-i + 40mg 5-meo-dmt snorted

or
15mg 2c-e + 150mg 6-apb + 2g mushrooms + 200mg methylone + 10 whippits on the peak.
 
Don't judge me, you should all know our bodies are all different. But for me it's ~10mg of JWH-018... Gets me running into walls, then couchlocked, then retardedly talkative, then I masturbate for some reason all the time even though I can't really feel it. Among other effects.

I always forget what the effects are but they're really powerful, that's about what I can remember.
 
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The Network said:
Don't judge me, you should all know our bodies are all different. But for me it's ~10mg of JWH-018... Gets me running into walls, then couchlocked, then retardedly talkative, then I masturbate for some reason all the time even though I can't really feel it. Among other effects.

I always forget what the effects are but they're really powerful, that's about what I can remember.
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* PLUS / MINUS (+/-) The level of effectiveness of a drug that indicates a threshold action. If a higher dosage produces a greater response, then the plus/minus (+/-) was valid. If a higher dosage produces nothing, then this was a false positive.

* PLUS ONE (+) The drug is quite certainly active. The chronology can be determined with some accuracy, but the nature of the drug's effects are not yet apparent.

* PLUS TWO (++) Both the chronology and the nature of the action of a drug are unmistakably apparent. But you still have some choice as to whether you will accept the adventure, or rather just continue with your ordinary day's plans (if you are an experienced researcher, that is). The effects can be allowed a predominant role, or they may be repressed and made secondary to other chosen activities.

* PLUS THREE (+++) Not only are the chronology and the nature of a drug's action quite clear, but ignoring its action is no longer an option. The subject is totally engaged in the experience, for better or worse.

* PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
 
Simmer down, nao ;)

I think there's a simple misunderstanding between you two. If I'm interpreting correctly, villain, your point was that the effects he listed are not a +4, and The Network, you thought he was implying that it wasn't possible for certain drugs to affect some people very differently than others. FWIW, what you describe sounds very much like a +3 and not much at all like a +4. From pihkal:

Sasha Shulgin said:
* PLUS THREE (+++) Not only are the chronology and the nature of a drug's action quite clear, but ignoring its action is no longer an option. The subject is totally engaged in the experience, for better or worse.

* PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
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As for the original topic... Mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, DMT, and LSD have all produced +4 experiences for me. After my first +4 on mushrooms early in my tripping career, I (like many newer psych users) became kind of fixated on pushing each trip as far as I could in terms of intensity. It took me a while to learn that a) more intense isn't always better, and b) you don't get to +4 simply by tripping harder; it's a combination of tripping hard and a particular, sublime state of mind.

edit: xtc beat me to the punch on quoting the Shulgin Scale.
 
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