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You guy's are freaking me about SSRI's!

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:( I have been on paxtine for 4 years, treating anxiety and clinical depression. Without them I would be dead. I started on 50mg a day, now I only take 10mg a day. I have heard heaps of bad shit about these. I am scared twatless of completely comming off. Why are so many people against the SSRI group?
 
If Paroxetine Hydrochloride (Paxtine) works for you then don't worry. This is especially true if you now manage on 10mg per day (very low dose).

People dislike SSRI's due to the major side effects and the harsh withdrawal. Paxtine is THE worst offender for all true SSRI's. When discontinuing tapering is a must over a few months. That can involve cutting pills in half or quarters and reducing gradually then taking a small dose in alternating days etc. If you inted to quit always seek medical advise.

I personally know someone who can (and has) quit Paxtine (40mg for >4years) cold turkey without withdrawal definatley an exception to the rule!

Anyway as this is a recreational drug forum most will shit on AD's from a great height ... having tried 3 flavours myself I should do too but they do work for some people :)
 
most people are against them because there are so many bad experienes. for example, i took effexor xr. the whole time i took it, i never noticed a single positive affect yet the list of negative affects was very large and the withdrawal was absolutely aweful. the drug actually made me more depressed.

most people here are biased against them because as mrmoss mentioned, this is a recreational drug board. most people expect at least some kind of positive affect from a drug in order to warrant using it and antidepressents often dont provide that.
 
Benzo aren't like SSRI. They are relaxant sedative. You will find them very useful to comedown from stimulating drugs such as meth,amps. Sedation can be very pleasurable. Mixed with weed, the synergy is great. It potentiates alcohol, just don't drink too much. It's great if you have anxiety. Benzo aren't scheduled for nothing, they are abusable. While on SSRI, you must be careful about the drugs you take, that is the shitty thing. I have never done SSRI and don't want to.
 
DemonSeed said:
Benzo aren't like SSRI. They are relaxant sedative. You will find them very useful to comedown from stimulating drugs such as meth,amps. Sedation can be very pleasurable. Mixed with weed, the synergy is great. It potentiates alcohol, just don't drink too much. It's great if you have anxiety. Benzo aren't scheduled for nothing, they are abusable. While on SSRI, you must be careful about the drugs you take, that is the shitty thing. I have never done SSRI and don't want to.
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I know I was just making a point. Burn out gets offended when people are against Benzos.
 
BOTTOMBUM said:
:( I have been on paxtine for 4 years, treating anxiety and clinical depression. Without them I would be dead. I started on 50mg a day, now I only take 10mg a day. I have heard heaps of bad shit about these. I am scared twatless of completely comming off. Why are so many people against the SSRI group?
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Do not worry mate, Paroxetine is one of the most effective SSRI's on the market. There are way too many scare tactics out there about it. It has saved a LOT of people's lives. Making many peoples lives liveable again where they are able to leave their house again and go out and public, make public speaches. It is probably the most effective SSRI out there. This site can be somewhat biased towards benzo's and SSRI's. I would just ignore a lot of people that make up that bullshit about SSRI's and benzo's causing permanent brain damage, because it is nothing but biased opiate users pissed off at the world because they couldn't take the puny side effects of an SSRI for the first two weeks and didn't wait long enough for them to kick in. Unfortuneately, this site is open to the public, and when web sites like these are open to the public, you get a lot of 15 year old kiddies that steal from their parents medicine cabinet and think they have an idea of what pharmacology is.

Very sad indeed, bluelight used to be a much better place years ago, I've noticed a steady decline slowly over the last couple of years. :\

Ignore the trolls who tell you horror stories about SSRI's. Most of them make the shit up because they have nothing better to do.
 
ballsaq: You're generalising to the point of absurdity.

Paroxetine is one of the most effective SSRI's on the market.
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Paroxetine is one of the most effectively marketed SSRI's.
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I worked for a company that asked if we would be happy with bumper stickers asking "How good is my driving" with a freephone number.

We politely told them to stick the idea as the consensus was people would only go to the effort of calling when they had a grievance.

The same holds true for SSRI's/SNRI's .. now if they had any recreational value we'd see some positive attitude towards them. They can either work or fuck you up and all things in between. Paroxetine is not the great panacea! IMO it's merely a sanctioned research chemical. The horror stories are very true!

Suggested reading http://www.crazymeds.org/
 
The reason SSRIs get a lot of bad press is multi-layered. Firstly, a lot of people are on them who either don't need to be on them, or who aren't ready to be on them - e.g. a therapist listens to them for half an hour, then just shoves them on a script, shoos them out the door and lets in the next patient. It's a shame, but the mental health system is overworked and ADs are seen as a quick fix, often in place of examining other routes like diet, therapy, etc. They are constantly prescribed without a proper assessment of the patient, because they are 'safe' (e.g. a patient can't abuse or overdose on them, and it 'might' help, too many still still don't seem to realize the harm a 'bad experience' causes against SSRIs in general). A lot of people are also put on it who don't want to give up other drugs that interfere with it, so they either get diminished effects, or they regularly skip their dose to achieve maximum effect with their recreational drugs when they take them, so the spotty dosage has problems.

The other is, that it's hard to find the right SSRI even if a person could benefit from it, and it takes so long before you necessarily feel any real effect. What far too many psychiatrists don't seem to realize is that 4-6 weeks is usually an eternity, particularly to an extremely depressed or suicidal patient. They get about two, three weeks into it and are feel so awful, and so utterly discouraged at the fact the pills have done shit, that they stop taking them and/or turn back to other drugs. Or even if they stick out the drugs, there's still only so long each person can keep up with the 'hit and miss' approach of medicating in the hopes that eventually, 4-6 weeks in and then trying the next one, something <i>might</i> make a bit of difference. Then, of course, the withdrawal symptoms.

I know people who have found the right medication, stick with their proper dosing and really do benefit from it and have a lot of praise for the tremendous difference it makes in their lives. However, for every one of those it seems there's five who have had bad experiences with SSRIs which is very, very easy to do, particularly if you're receiving little to no support while trying to find the right one, and again that's a lot of people. On a drug forum, it's a pretty safe bet you'll encounter a disproportionate number of people with bad experiences with SSRIs (hence turning to or sticking with other drugs) so try not to take that to heart. They CAN work, but it can be a very difficult process. If yours work for you, then that's fantastic - I do hope you're not wanting to come off them because you've heard so many people saying they're bad. It's hard to find the right one, so if it really is helping, stick with it! Although if you're coming off it for other reasons (feeling ready to handle things on your own) then best of luck.

Edit: And way to stereotype there, ballsaq. You can usually tell the 15yo pillheads anyway; they're the ones constantly posting, 'How do i get high from my paxil????' or whatever pointless substance they've found in the medicine cabinet that they're incapable of a five second Google search on. ;)
 
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BOTTOMBUM said:
:( I have been on paxtine for 4 years, treating anxiety and clinical depression. Without them I would be dead. I started on 50mg a day, now I only take 10mg a day. I have heard heaps of bad shit about these. I am scared twatless of completely comming off. Why are so many people against the SSRI group?
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If they work for you then thats all that matters, I'm happy to hear they don't affect you like they did alot of us. :)

As for me, I'm not against the SSRI's but I tell people to be careful when choosing medication types. When I was on Paxil CR 50mg I took it everyday for a long time and started to feel like a zombie ( which it has not done to you :) ) and I became more depressed because the lack of emotions I was experiencing. Well, Because of the lack of emotions I flushed the rest of the script....bad move. I spent about 5-10 days with electroshock feeling in my brain, feeling generally manic and unable to sleep. But my dose was also 5x higher than yours, and I quit cold turkey.

That's why I advise people to A. Choose your medicine/dosage wisely B. Do not go cold turkey from an SSRI.

Don't be worried about your paxtine, be happy that it is working for you and helping you cope with your depression. As for coming off them- If you ever come off them then just taper down to baseline again at the discrecion of your doctor and you probably won't notice much, if anything , in the way of SSRI withdrawl.
 
MrMoss said:
ballsaq: You're generalising to the point of absurdity.


Juxtaposition:


I worked for a company that asked if we would be happy with bumper stickers asking "How good is my driving" with a freephone number.

We politely told them to stick the idea as the consensus was people would only go to the effort of calling when they had a grievance.

The same holds true for SSRI's/SNRI's .. now if they had any recreational value we'd see some positive attitude towards them. They can either work or fuck you up and all things in between. Paroxetine is not the great panacea! IMO it's merely a sanctioned research chemical. The horror stories are very true!

Suggested reading http://www.crazymeds.org/
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MrMoss, pointing him to insane website with no source to their conclusions but a bunch of people against pharmacaeutical companies such crazymeds.org is not a good source of information. I looked up to you before on some of your posts, now I don't. None of that information on crazymeds.org is even true, its just another sack of shit, more negative propaganda being spread by idiots online.
 
ballsaq said:
MrMoss, pointing him to insane website with no source to their conclusions but a bunch of people against pharmacaeutical companies such crazymeds.org is not a good source of information. I looked up to you before on some of your posts, now I don't. None of that information on crazymeds.org is even true, its just another sack of shit, more negative propaganda being spread by idiots online.
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Actually I was pointing you to the website :p
It's clearly not IMO propaganda as it identifies both the pros and cons of the meds. It's major objective is to inform those that know little/nothing about AD's etc (You know the information your Doctor doesn't tell you). If you dig deeper you'll find research papers, links to PI Sheets, anecdotal reports etc etc

It's fundamentally a very accurate resource of information despite what the URL might lead you to believe. I'd be interested if you could point out just one blatant inaccuracy!
 
If you found something that works for you stick with it. Yes the withdrawals can be horrible and the side effects can suck ass but if it works it works.

You can worry about the withdrawals later when the shit stop's working. That's the same attitude im taking to benzos at the moment.

Im abit biased against ssri's although ive never even been on one. I was on effexor a snri and the side effect's especially the sexual side effect's where awful. I cant imagine ssri's being much better.

Currently im on wellbutrin which gives me no shitty side effect's.
 
SteeleyJ said:
If they work for you then thats all that matters, I'm happy to hear they don't affect you like they did alot of us. :)
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That's exactly what i have to say.

I tried, lexapro, cymbalta, strattera, prozac, wellbutrin, trazadone (not all SSRI's) and had horrible side effects with each one... everybody is different
 
My doctor percscribed me paxil today. I'm also afraid because of people's reports... surely it can be taken with few side effects, to the benefit of the user? Otherwise it wouldn't be pescribed. I live where doctors don't get money from pharmacies or pharmaceutical companies.
 
ControlDenied said:
My doctor percscribed me paxil today. I'm also afraid because of people's reports... surely it can be taken with few side effects, to the benefit of the user? Otherwise it wouldn't be pescribed. I live where doctors don't get money from pharmacies or pharmaceutical companies.
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of course it can help, but sometimes it helps with no side effects sometimes it doesn't help at all, and a mix of possibilities in between. try it out for a week or two and if the side effects you experience are too unpleasant simply stop taking it! but try it out before you psyche yourself out by reading horror stories by a minority (albeit quite large) of anti-depressant users who have had bad experiences.
 
For what it's worth, Paxil is one of the SSRIs I've been on. I'm always surprised when people talk about the withdrawal symptoms, because I was on Paxil for six weeks then went off cold turkey, and have no recollection of problems. So it's not a horror story for everyone, just a fairly high percentage of people unfortunately.
 
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