Yet another example of why you should test your mdma - PMMA pills sold as XTC

[bla-ljus]

http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/01/31/alert-detected-tablets-sold-ecstasy-high-dose-pmma/

Info provided by Dr. Fernando Caudevilla – Report will be released later, connection to pills being sold on DNM’s is still being investigated.

During the last 2 months, 7 deaths and several acute reactions were notified in the UK, Belgium and Sweden associated with consumption of pills of adulterated “ecstasy”. These pills -first detected in the Netherlands- did not contain MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), the usual active ingredient in ecstasy tablets, but PMMA (parametoxymetamphetamine) at very high doses, another amphetamine derivative with a much higher toxicity than that of MDMA.

Over the past weekend, Energy Control has detected pills with a very similar composition in Spain. Tablets analyzed are pink-orange color with the Superman logo. The amount of PMMA found per tablet was between 140 and 173 mg, and 6 to 10 mg amphetamine.

Adulteration of ecstasy tablets with PMMA is rare but extremely dangerous. The probability of serious or fatal poisoning by consuming PMMA is much higher than with MDMA or other amphetamine derivatives. Used in combination with other drugs, the risks of PMMA are even higher.

PMMA is a substance that takes longer than MDMA to show effects, so users can take an additional dose thinking that the first one has not taken effect. This extra dose can cause an overdose of which the most serious symptom is a severe rise in body temperature.

"7 deaths" (Who know how many more which haven't been linked to these pills)

Remember, testing your stuff may save your life!

 

[myr]

This came up in december 2014, the red superman pills with no break line on the back.
Since most PMMA pills contain some MDMA too, you must use a purity reagent as well as marquis. Firstly, marquis doesn't react to PMMA and the small amount of MDMA will trick the other reagents. Purity kit will let you know wether your pill has low-medium-high MDMA content. If it's low, don't take it.

 

[bla-ljus]

This came up in december 2014, the red superman pills with no break line on the back.
Since most PMMA pills contain some MDMA too, you must use a purity reagent as well as marquis. Firstly, marquis doesn't react to PMMA and the small amount of MDMA will trick the other reagents. Purity kit will let you know wether your pill has low-medium-high MDMA content. If it's low, don't take it.

(I know this is borderlining of discussion that should be on pilltesting. Just that I assume many persons reading MDMA forum don't read pill testing and might miss this one.)

Is there testing kits that will identify PMMA even if there is also MDMA in the sample?
Anyone personally have experience on this batch or know a person how has come across these?

The pill images:

 

[Innerpeace]

(I know this is borderlining of discussion that should be on pilltesting. Just that I assume many persons reading MDMA forum don't read pill testing and might miss this one.)

Is there testing kits that will identify PMMA even if there is also MDMA in the sample?
Anyone personally have experience on this batch or know a person how has come across these?

The pill images:

so the basic testkit from bunkpolice isnt enough?

I need all three test kits?

I thought the basic one would be enough since it supposed to identify everything, but pma and pmma , test out as mdXX or are shady dealers mixing the two?

 

[Dawglaw]

Reagents only give presumptive results. To be 100% certain you have to send fhe pill to a lab.

I am pretty sure I was PMMAed in Europe over xmas. I only had a marquis test kit and it detected MDMA. There was nothing on pill reports cobcerning the press I had so I said fuck it and took half the pill.

I was not doing anything active but was sweating BUCKETS and did not have the classic rolly feel. It wasn't terrible but I am glad that I did my homework and didn't take too much/was somewhere safe.

Bottom line - dealers threw in just enough MDxx to trick the marquis reagent into turning purple.

 

[Innerpeace]

Reagents only give presumptive results. To be 100% certain you have to send fhe pill to a lab.

I am pretty sure I was PMMAed in Europe over xmas. I only had a marquis test kit and it detected MDMA. There was nothing on pill reports cobcerning the press I had so I said fuck it and took half the pill.

I was not doing anything active but was sweating BUCKETS and did not have the classic rolly feel. It wasn't terrible but I am glad that I did my homework and didn't take too much/was somewhere safe.

Bottom line - dealers threw in just enough MDxx to trick the marquis reagent into turning purple.

so a basic bunk police marquis isnt good enough?

I figured it would be, at least im doing the basics. I need to get all three?

off subject- was thinking of 5-mapb, since hvent seen no mdma around. This seems really difficult , thats why this needs to be sold otc and pharmacy made

 

[myr]

The topic hasn't reached 2 pages yet I have to quote myself:

Since most PMMA pills contain some MDMA too, you must use a purity reagent as well as marquis. Firstly, marquis doesn't react to PMMA and the small amount of MDMA will trick the other reagents. Purity kit will let you know wether your pill has low-medium-high MDMA content. If it's low, don't take it.

And a few examples from last year:

 

[Innerpeace]

The topic hasn't reached 2 pages yet I have to quote myself:

And a few examples from last year:

Ok thank you. Its pathetic that shady dealers cut corners , all they are concerned about is quick money and are the ones who ruin it and cause hospitalizations and bad rolls, shame on them.

Thats it everyone get all three testing kits. a basic marquis test kit is good, but like you see here, it wont tell how much mdma it is, and wont tell if it contains pma or pmma.

 

[BlueBull]

Yeah the moment the first news bulletin about this hit the web I knew there were going to be casualties, sadly that turned out to be true. Putting 173mg of PMMA in a press that's pretty well-known and reputable is beyond evil

Apart from testing with different testkits, This can help increase the chance of you spotting adulterants with a testkit:

• Do your testing under a very bright white light and on a white background. A porcelain plate is ideal
• Watching carefully during the reaction for any other colours apart from the intended MDMA colour gradient is almost equally if not more important than the final colour you get after the reaction. The second or so it takes for the liquid to change to the very dark MDMA colour is the moment you are most likely to spot any adulterants.
• While the dark colour progresses throughout the liquid, follow the edges of the colour change, that's where the reaction is still going.
• Break your sample apart in tiny clumps if possible, don't grind it to dust, this increases the chance of adulterants still clumped together to react with the liquid, increasing the chance of you spotting the reaction colour.
• A good MDMA reaction should take at the most 3-4 seconds to first develop, usually it's instantaneous. If it takes any more time than that for first colour to develop your sample is either uselessly low dosed or it's something else with a bit of MDMA added.

These are just added things to watch for, they offers no certainty but they increase your chance of spotting adulterants, if only just a bit

 

[Kl519]

Whoever is pressing these is evil. Pmma is toxic and causes hyperthermia, esp combined with mdma.

Piperazines too. I hate that one. The 2-3 times I ran into them after the first time, I would run them over, or chuck them in a food trash bag and then toss that into a random trash can. There's something pleasurable about getting rid of it. Like, hah! You (pill presser) didn't get me piped. Ya bitch.

But anyway, I'm glad I never ran into Pmma pills. I would've demolished them too.

I'm faded.

 

[Bearlove]

Whoever is pressing these is evil. Pmma is toxic and causes hyperthermia, esp combined with mdma.

Piperazines too. I hate that one. The 2-3 times I ran into them after the first time, I would run them over, or chuck them in a food trash bag and then toss that into a random trash can. There's something pleasurable about getting rid of it. Like, hah! You (pill presser) didn't get me piped. Ya bitch.

But anyway, I'm glad I never ran into Pmma pills. I would've demolished them too.

I'm faded.

If you get a black reaction and you feel nothing in an hour - DO NOT redose. If you then start to feel unwell - seek medical attention (you were at a party and your drink was 'spiked' some random in random location gave you a pill which you took. Rather look like an asshole than be dead!

 

[BlueBull]

If you get a black reaction and you feel nothing in an hour - DO NOT redose. If you then start to feel unwell - seek medical attention (you were at a party and your drink was 'spiked' some random in random location gave you a pill which you took. Rather look like an asshole than be dead!

Great advice this, a lot of the fatalities from PMA/PMMA are caused by people redosing them thinking they're not working, until they kick in 2 hours later

 

[severely etarded]

• A good MDMA reaction should take at the most 3-4 seconds to first develop, usually it's instantaneous. If it takes any more time than that for first colour to develop your sample is either uselessly low dosed or it's something else with a bit of MDMA added.

I'd say that's pretty correct but the temperature of the atmosphere and the age of the kit are also factors. A cold winter night in a non-climate-controlled room is going to have slower results than say a hot garage on a warm summer day while at room temperature it should be in between and also older kits are slower than 1,2, 3 year old kits. Firsthand experience goes a long way on judging reactions is expected

 

[BlueBull]

I'd say that's pretty correct but the temperature of the atmosphere and the age of the kit are also factors. A cold winter night in a non-climate-controlled room is going to have slower results than say a hot garage on a warm summer day while at room temperature it should be in between and also older kits are slower than 1,2, 3 year old kits. Firsthand experience goes a long way on judging reactions is expected

Yeah indeed, that's true. Never experienced the temperature influence myself because I always tested inside, but in general chemical reactions slow down as the temperature drops. The age of your testkit can have a huge influence, I forgot about that. I recently found a marquis kit in a drawer that must have been there for at least 6 months and I tested green androids with it (well-known, pure and very potent pills) and the reaction took about 20-30 seconds to complete. That's normally waaaaay too long, but it was because of the age of the kit, the reaction completed in 4 seconds with a new kit testing the same pill.

So, added advice: Keep your kit in a refrigerator at all times, except for the EZtest kits which can be kept at room temperature. Put your kit in a dark place, not in the sunlight or artificial light. Don't touch the neck of the bottle with your hands or anything else, contamination will ruin the entire bottle. And I wouldn't keep a kit around for longer than 6 months, it will probably start to lose potency, which skews the results

 

[FuckWithRaw]

Very informative posts BB and SE. I've never personally dealt with pma/pmma as I'm state side but I hope these pressers die slow painful deaths because they deserve it.